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Gates Allocation  
User currently offlineGE From Singapore, joined Mar 2000, 320 posts, RR: 6
Posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1143 times:

Hi guys,
I'd just like to know, how are airport gates allocated? For example, is a specific gate used for a certain flight or are aircraft randomly placed in different gates?

Thanks in advance!


Regards,
Russ

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User currently offlineGE From Singapore, joined Mar 2000, 320 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1080 times:

No replies? Pls guys, juz help me out on this one. I'd really like to know.

User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1075 times:

In HP's hubs its more or less random where the flights go each day. A flight might be at A28 one day but at A14 the next. In a field station where we may only have 1 or 2 gates the flights pretty much use the same gate day after day.

User currently offlineGE From Singapore, joined Mar 2000, 320 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1057 times:

Thanks for replying. I used to think that certain flights only went to certain gates. Big grin

User currently offlineIluvwestjet From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1055 times:

Just a guess here, but I am guessing it also depends on how much waiting area a particular gate has. One gate might be on a corner so it has a larger waiting area for passengers, so they might put larger planes in those gates.

User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1044 times:

I think this also depends on the airport: on large airports (like LHR or FRA), where gates are rare, the gates are fixed only shortly before arrival of the plane. If a flight is delayed, the plane might be allocated to an other gate than originally planned. That's why when you book a connecting flight via FRA (for example), the gate for the flight from FRA is usually not yet fixed when checking in at your origin airport.
At smaller airports (like STR, Stuttgart for example), the gates are often fixed in advance.
Anyway, at both large and small airports, airlines with many flights may have their "own" gates. For example Lufthansa in Germany: In FRA and in STR, there are gates that are used only by LH and their partners. Like that, the airlines can place items like newspapers or coffee machines in their gate area.
Nevertheless, it can happen that i.e. the flight to CDG leaves today from a gate where tomorrow at the same time leaves the flight to BRU.


User currently offlineGE From Singapore, joined Mar 2000, 320 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

Thanks a lot for the reply, Contact Air!

User currently offline777-500ER From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1024 times:

At SFO all the A concourse gates of the new International Terminal are all fixed. BA has to use two specific gates because they are the only ones that give the opportunity to board from the terrace lounge. AZ used to use A10, they only used A2 once when A10 was broken.

Michael SFO
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User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1020 times:

In SIN, UA always used D12.

User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1020 times:

In the two Milan airports LIN and MXP they use to do as follow:

LIN: Every flights use everyday the same gate. There are only 5 fingers, so 90% of the flights use bus gates.

MXP:
Domestic and European schenghen concurse at terminal 1:
Every airlines use to have an own numbers of gates, so they could use them as they want.
Of course some airlines that have only 1 or 2 gates use always the same gate everyday; AZ is the larger operator there and it has many gates, so everyday use to change gates for every flights.
International area at terminal 1:
Every day different gates for every flights.
US carriers can use only 2 finger on each day.
Terminal 2:
Gates use to be allocate few time before boarding time.


User currently offlineRwy31R From Saudi Arabia, joined Aug 2001, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1011 times:

at RUH I have noticed that some gates are usually seen with larger aircraft while others with smaller ones..

example at T1 (non-SV airliners).. gate 13, 16 is usually seen with 747, A340, 777 while 18 and 11 are for 737.

I guess so many factors contribute in gate allocation. In RUH which is not so crowded and busy like other world airports I would think that the above gates would be allocated as it is further away from the terminal periphral extensions making the larger aircraft easier to move.



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

Depends on what airport your at and how busy it is. Ive known the gate change for one of my flights from NCL change 3 times before boarding!


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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1001 times:
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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 998 times:

David, LOL  Laugh out loud
Funnily enough they did the same at MAN one-time. But this time it was from one end-of T2 to the other end.



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User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 989 times:

I know that Gate1, 2, 3, 4 are gates for Cathay Pacific here in Hong Kong, especially one, everytime go to airport for spotting or travelling, back or other reasons there's gotta be a CX!Travelled to Sydney in September and got gate 1 with a B744.Also got gate 4 when i got back!Both were CX flights.
Also Singapore Airlines uses gate 24 usually, or 25 and 26.Of course most flights are to Singapore, and also to SFO and Taipei!

Best Regards


User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 975 times:
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At ORD they have their own gates for airlines like United and American and the other ones might have one or more.

At MDW it's like O'Hare but they are getting a renovation job and they are building a new terminal and new gates and it's half finished and they are using the new and old gates cause of the construction. I remember when I was going to my National flight and they told me one gate and when I was waiting in line we were told to go to another gate. All the other airlines have their own gate but National shares with America West.



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User currently offlineLAXINTL From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 953 times:

Gate allocation is quite a science at major hub airports.

Several airlines use computer systems that allocate gates to arriving aircraft based on several different criteria.

Connecting passenger flows, aircraft rotation schedules, cargo, mail loads are just a few of the items that are considered.

The idea behind these systems is to find the optimal balance of convience and efficiency for both the passenger and various departments within the airline like maintenace, ramp, and customer service.




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User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 953 times:

If I remember correctly, El Al sometimes changes gates at the last minute for security reasons.

Also, at PHL, US Airways flights with larger aircraft are at the gates at the end of each terminal because they are too big to go anwhere else.

Thus, transcontinental and many Florida flights are at at the ends of the B and C concourses.

Eric


User currently offlineGE From Singapore, joined Mar 2000, 320 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 925 times:

Thanks for all the replies guys, u make a GREAT forum! Big grin

User currently offlineShamrock104 From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 926 times:


I remember a Lufthansa pilot once told me that at FRA, airbridge gates are allocated to LH flights with the most connecting PAX. So London flights plus US flights get gates at the terminal first.


User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2506 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 899 times:

Think about this. If you had to assign gates for an airline that basicly has the same sked every day, wouldn't you try to stick to the same plan every day. Barring irregular operations I think most hubs operate with the same gate assignments everyday. This way everyone knows in advance which cargo goes where, what catering needs to be done, what maintenance needs are, ect.

Airlines don't reinvent themselves everyday. Hopefully it's nice boring clockwork everyday.


User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 898 times:

I don't know if UAL still does this but back in 97 when I flew them a lot in the summer I remember they had this thing called the B/C system for gates at O'hare. If you the a/c was either bound for, or arriving from Boston, ATL, LGA, EWR, PHL, DCA or MSP it was called a B flight and assigned a B gate at the B concourse. All other destinations were C flights and went from the C concourse. The thinking was the high paying business travelers were usually on the B flights, so why not allocate the closer in gates for those types of pax. In the evening and early morning times flights bound for SFO and LAX also became B flights and launched from the B concourse. Of course you would see flights going to or arriving from OMA, DEN, IAH, DFW, STL to name a few on the B concourse, but 90% of the time that exact a/c was either continuing on to one of the cities named above or coming in from one of those cities and going to a "C" city. Like I said before, I don't know if UAL still sticks to this schedule or not, and of course when the bad t-storms would hit then and they needed every gate they could get, it didn't matter where flights were coming or going they went to the next availble gate whether it was on B, C or E!

User currently offlineGE From Singapore, joined Mar 2000, 320 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 876 times:

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User currently offlineTwa902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 858 times:

I flew to LAX from C18
to SLC from B3 and B5
to ANC from C26...

so its not all true.

but i remember i flew SJC-ORD and i came into F2... and i had tracked the flight before and it came into F2 all the time, unless it was delayed. So i think they have an overall plan of where flights go, but if some are delayed they shuffle them around.

twa902 chicago



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User currently offlineBizJet From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 853 times:

The system that Deltaflyertoo refers to lasted for a couple years, but was discountinued sometime in the last three years. Flights to those destinations he mentioned (and a few others) were called BusinessOne service, and they used dedicated, close-in gates at O'Hare Terminal One's Concourse B (which doesn't require the journey through the underground tunnel to get to baggage claim and ground transportation). But the system got too complex and aircraft/route/gate assignments became too difficult, so they no longer dedicate those flights to the B gates.

Delta does a similar thing with the T-Gates at ATL (they don't require a trip through the underground mall). Delta used to tag their hourly service to DCA, BWI, PHL, LGA, EWR, BOS (Etc) CityPass, and try to get those flights out of the T-Gates. While it isn't guaranteed, most flights to those destinations still leave from the T-Gates or gates in the A concouse close to the centerpoint (where the train/underground mall is). (As of last month, however, all DCA departures were going out of a dedicated gate in the E concourse to comply with additional security requirements).


25 Blink182 : Personally, I have no idea why most airlines change gate assignments everyday. It probably has a lot of factors involved. What I have seen American do
26 Tom in NO : People might be interested in how the various airport authorities issue gates to airlines. There are a couple of ways: 1) airlines will sign a lease t
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