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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Posted (13 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Just a couple of brief snippets..

*The second to last B737-200 (ZK-NAI) was retired about a week ago, and is currently being fitted out for the 'end of lease' check. This just leaves ZK-NAB, whose last flight is planned for 18 December.

*Air NZ is hiring about 80 new reservations agents to keep up with demand.

* Loads are 100% to Australia and the Islands over the Xmas period - even with 3 daily 744 flights to Apia!

56 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlineFreedomair737 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2001, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

good to see loads looking up and more staff being hired....
where is zk-nai going now it's not flying with air nz?

User currently offlineFreedomair737 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2001, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

Another good piece of news i guess is the inauguration of a weekly Freedomair service from Dunedin to Coolangatta bringing the number of flights weekly from Dunedin to Australia to 6.....2 x SYD, 2 x BNE, 1 x MEL, 1 x OOL......so it's good to see there is continuing growth between the 2 countries......

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13746 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

Kudos to ANZ during these difficult times.

Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Any chance of 762 flights to OZ being upgraded to 763 equipment?



User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

I found 2 744's to Apia on the 24th + a 763 but I see these flights seem pretty full!

I was looking at the seats open part of their shedules
and on LHR and LAX-AKL sectors it stats that there are no seats on alot of the flights! Good to see more people coming down under!  Smile

User currently offlineSingapore_sq From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

From what I hear from my colleagues, Air NZ's Sydney staff morale is very bad and employees are leaving the airline so that they can take advantage of Ansett's generous redundancy offer. Why in the world would you stay at Air NZ and miss out on the package.

Working for Air NZ can be seen as very negative especially in Australia after what they did to Ansett Australia. Feelings towards Air NZ is very bad.

Air NZ recently released their "2 for the price of 1" in Business and First Class. If you are smart, you would know that such a deal is a "rip off" as the 1st ticket had to be purchased at full published level and when you think about, you can purchase 1 ticket at 50% discount so therefore, you can purchase 2 at the same price as one full published level.

You would have thought that Air NZ would have learnt the lesson of not to play "dumb" in the marketplace after their expensive play (US$600 million) for 12 months at Ansett.

My concern is on their product standard which is getting very outdated. For example, their First Class needs an urgent replacement. Competitors are offering sleeper seats and NZ is offering the old traditional seats and there are no plans for an upgrade for a couple of years. Their business class is also outdated where airlines such as BA, CX and SQ are installation sleeper seats. There are plans for QF to install sleeper seats in J class but QF have electronic seats in current J class which is not very old either. Compared to Air NZ which still uses manual J class seats...no wonder they are not a market leader and innovator.

With a decrease in SQ's investment in Air NZ, I don't think SQ cares what Air NZ is up to. SQ was always interested in tapping the Australian domestic market through the acquiring Ansett Australia. However, it was the ego of the Kiwis that made them acquire 100% of Air NZ (Bad Move). Greed brings about negative consequences and this is a case study we can use for many years to come.

With SQ unsuccessful in its investment strategy, it needs lots of capital to fix Virgin Atlantic which is on the brinks of collapse. If VS collapses, their will be negative implications for SQ in which it has 49% stakeholding. One hopes this will not happen but all signs point to a disasterious financial reporting from VS and as a result, this will drag SQ into RED for the first time at a significant level as they will have to book the losses of VS into their balance sheet.

User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 1623 times:

Anzett/SQ pilot/singapore_sq/Gina

Our Sydney office proper consists of 4 people, none of which have left Air NZ.
Checkin staff etc have always been employed by NZ and worked seperately to AN - therefore they would *not* be eligible for AN's redundancy offer, which as far as I know doesn't exist - apart from 3 weeks pay which is OWED to them anyway!

As for the inflight product - it's basic but sound. Upgrade was planned to start in August, but due to AN/Sep 11 didn't happen - quite rightly, other things take priority.

2 for 1 deal? I suggest you look a bit closer at what the offer actually is.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply to someone who's variously claimed to be an aviation consultant, a male, a female, a Singapore Airlines co-pilot, to live in Cathay City, etc... but I'll let readers judge who has the more credibility.


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months ago) and read 1617 times:

IS Air NZ hiring some people in Canada?  Big grin I wouldn't mind to work there.

User currently offlineZizou From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 1535 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months ago) and read 1611 times:

Wow, a B744 into Apia. I assume that would be one of the few B747 flights to have ever landed there. By the way, Apia is the capital of Samoa?

User currently offlineSnoopy From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months ago) and read 1598 times:

* Loads are 100% to Australia and the Islands over the Xmas period - even with 3 daily 744 flights to Apia!

Not that surprising in view of the Ansett failure and the overall reduction in capacity.

User currently offlineSingapore_sq From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months ago) and read 1607 times:


I think you better get your facts right because you are WRONG! I think you are kidding yourself by pretending to know how many Air NZ staff there are at the Sydney office.

I know what I am talking about as I have friends who work at Air NZ Sydney office and I can tell you there are more than 4 people there...try 30 plus as they have their fares and ticketing department there, account managers, marketing team, sales support and customer relations plus the airport staff who work at the lounge and the check-in supervisors. For your information, Qantas do Air NZ's check-in at Sydney airport and the premium desk staff wear Air NZ uniform (ugly by the way).

I don't think you know what you are talking about...what do you mean by Cathay City...where dod you get this from? Please get your facts correct before opening your BIG MOUTH!

User currently offlineF27 From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Must say singapore_sq you have spoken well. I have said many times here the truth hurts our so called collegues from the tiny Island accross the ditch

User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

1. Ansett didn't fly Trans-Tasman OR any of the Islands except NAN (Fiji)

2. I see you're now living in the UK, singapore_sq - strange as 60 minutes ago your address was 'CX City'.

3. If you'd like to email me the name of ONE person who works in our SYD office and whose name isn't known to the general public, I'll doubt your word no longer.

Getting back to the original point of this thread.. the 744s do visit NAN ocasionally. It's the main alternate airport if AKL and CHC are closed.

The Trans-Tasman flights will be frequently operating as 763s next year.


User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

SQ HAS written off its investment in Virgin Atlantic. THe only exposure they have to VS now is if they're gonna collapse and need extra funding. If VS makes a billion pound loss, SQ will not bear half of it.

Air NZ's doing so well now 'cos Asians(like myself) are shunning the USA and Europe for safer destinations like Australia and NZ this holiday period.

Air NZ did make bad investment decisions in AN and SQ made bad investment decisions in Air NZ. We MUST NOT get personal here because no single person was involved in this. Entire entities and organisations were involved. And a company is a company, DUH. Companies have no feelings!

We should just all learn how to pick up the pieces and move on

User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Product outdated??
look at many world wide carriers that are doing great, even though they donot have the "innovated product" installed, and also look at the carriers with the "innovated product" installed. Who is doing better at present?? The carriers with out the fancy gadgets as they have less expenses to be paid off!! If you are one to fly on an airline with Fancy gadgets then by all means do it, no one is holding a gun to your head saying, "Fly AirNZ"!! Or are they??

Inflight product....hmmm.....musnt be too bad, Voted Best J class 1999/2000, and came 4th this year.
Voted best Y class seat for an intl airline. PTV;s are on the way hopefully by next year for 744/763. (Rep E-mailed friend about it). And voted best airline to fly into LHR, this year, in many travel magazines. They were always in the top 4. So There product must not be that "out-dated" even though they have higher fares then most other airlines!! hmmm, you say you live in London, well, your fellow citizens dont have a problem, and BA is one with the "Fancy gadgets", AirNZ must be doing something right in order to be getting high load factors, compared to BA!!

Now First Class. It musnt be bad, as it is always sold out on LHR-LAX, LAX-AKL v.v. I am not sure about Tokya though sorry. And F/C is only used on these three routes. Why make it fancy when you are competing against airlines with basically the same product as you??

As i say, AirNZ concentrates on Economy class pax, and you can see this at the consistant awards they win for there Economy class service/seats/IFE. J class is also usually winning awards but not as much as Y. (Not so much IFE now...lol.... Smile)

Many people discourage AirNZ, especialy from the UK and Europe, yet they donot know hardly anything about the carrier, nor its employees!!

I am not doubting your friend Singapore_sq!! You may be right, but i am believing TG992, as he works for AirNZ in reservations!! Key Towers...lol!!

And by the way, Aussie staff morale in SYD who work for NZ has always been bad, you just need to ask the Pax on the SYD-LAX route (lol)!!

Good to hear this about AirNZ...And by the way just an update, Dec14 is the only avaliable flight open from 1st dec-12 jan, WHERE ALL flights are booked out. Same as Qantas!!

Cya guys later
Safe flying!

User currently offlineFqtv From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

Hi everyone

I fly AirNZ from Europe to the pacific/NZ about 3 times a year (usually in J). Air NZ J class is very good, excellent food and wines and even better service. The lack of electric seat controls really doesn't make any difference, and the seats are very comfortable. A bed would be better, but I've never had a problem sleeping in the seat, as it reclines quite far down (enough so that you can sleep on your side). I'm not sure if I agree with Mikey's statement that AirNZ concentrates on it's Y class product, because J class is certainly very good and doesn't feel outdated at all. J is usually almost full on the LHR-LAX route.

About the 744s to the Pacific, until November 2000 AirNZ had one weekly 747-400 flight Auckland - Nadi - Los Angeles and back (it departed LAX on Thursday nights), but this was cut due to decreased loads after the coup in Fiji, and now only the Friday and Saturady 767-300 flights remain. They also used to fly the 747s into Rarotonga, but I think this stopped in the mid 90s.

Air NZ is a great airline, and is definately comparable with Singapore Airlines and Cathay, especially in J  Smile

Cheers, Zac

P.S. for really good information on AirNZ, check out the Air New Zealand Airpoints forum on www.flyertalk.com - most of the people who post there are frequent flyers (and there is a guy who works for Airpoints too) and their posts are really interesting

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13746 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

Kudos to TG992. Hoorah!

FYI Singapore_SQ, Virgin Atlantic Airways Limited made Singapore Airlines Limited a profit of £7.2 million in the H1 ending 30 September 2001.

Also, Which?, which is the UK's leading consumer company which tests loads of things to see what is best, this year announced that ANZ had beaten SIA to the top spot in a 5-year reign by SIA. I was disappointed but was also impressed by ANZ. Couldn't be that bad then can it?

Air New Zealand - Equity Partner of Singapore Airlines
Singapore Airlines and Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Members

Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

For F%#$@ sake,

Do we have to have the Ansett thing brought up everytime Air NZ is mentioned in these threads.
Jesus, everyone knows what happened; thats been thrashed about enough around here!

Not fair on those of us who had nothing to do with it, or in fact those of us who just want to discuss aviation and not the politics surrounding it.

Go back to the last Air NZ thread which started over someone admiring an Air NZ photo; and see how it turned out.

Mike  Sad

User currently offlineSingapore_sq From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1535 times:


Please note that the only reason why Air NZ's First Class is sold out is because they give away "complimentary" upgrade voucher to Air Points members who are Gold and Gold Elite members.

Air NZ's awards are old and many years back dated so therefore, I would not classify them in the award-winning airline category. As for the Y class product, they are missing the PTV's which I've heard are onhold due funding problems and that the airline cannot afford them. This is not a high priority for them. If they do get them, they will only install them on 8 Boeing 747-400 aircrafts. Not much to make a huge impact.


The Virgin Atlantic issue will be a different ball game since September 11th. Keep your eyes open for a huge loss that will eat into Singapore Airlines' profits. I personally think VS is on the brinks of collapsing any moment. Even SQ would not be able to rescue them as they are finding business difficult themselves. I think they should concentrate on their own business and let others run theirs. They have a bad habit of sniffing into other people's business and when they do grab them, they make a Loss. I wish once for all, SQ can run their own business and make improvements to its own bottom line.


For your information, I do not need to clarify any names but since you insist, I can tell you that the new Regional Manager for Air NZ Australia is Paul Donovan.

User currently offlineFqtv From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Hi Singapore_sq

I think I'm going to have to add myself to the list of 3 or 4 people who have already pointed out that you haven't got your facts straight. AirNZ do give free upgrade vouchers to Gold and Gold Elite Airpoints members (I'm Gold Elite), but it is only two per year, and they are only one-class upgrades (i.e. you can't upgrade from economy to first, only from business to first). Also, upgrades to first are only confirmed 72 hours before the flight, so if you look on a reservation system and see that first is full, and the flight is more than 3 days away, then you know that it is full of revenue pax who are actually paying for their tickets. Saying that F is only sold out because of free upgrade vouchers is a bit strange, you obviously just made it up.

Cheers, Zac

User currently offlineB744 From New Zealand, joined Dec 1999, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

Agree with Fqtv. By far the most upgrade certificates get used upgrading Y to J. And as mentioned, Gold Elite and Gold flyers only get 2 per year (ie enough for only one return trip). Silver members get just one. Also, they are one sector upgrades only, although for some reason, I did manage to use some AKL-LHR return a few years ago  Smile

Fqtv - I think for Jade and Silver members the upgrades are only confirmed 72 hours before departure, but am pretty sure that Gold & Gold Elite can have them confirmed at time of booking(?)

User currently offlineB744 From New Zealand, joined Dec 1999, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Just checked. You're right.

"International:Two single sector one class complimentary upgrades when youtravel internationally on an Air New Zealand flight. These upgrades may be confirmed, subject to seat availability, up to 72 hours before your requested flight......"

User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

We only have 8 747-400s.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13746 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Singapore_SQ: True true, however the way you portray the airline that you supposedly works for is odd. Don't Cathay or some other airline have jobs going round?

Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
25 AirNewZealand : Outdated?? NZ won awards this year..These being outdated..OK!! Then your country must be outdated!! Because we won best airline to service the UK!! al
26 Post contains images Fqtv : Hi B744, the upgrade voucher rules are a bit complicated Golds get 2 single sector, one class upgrade vouchers per year, which may be confirmed 72 hou
27 Singapore_sq : The fact is Air New Zealand is suffering and that TG992 does not want to face the fact that their airline is in financial crisis and the only reason w
28 Jiml1126 : The fact is Air New Zealand is suffering and that TG992 does not want to face the fact that their airline is in financial crisis and the only reason w
29 Post contains images ZK-NBT : OK Singapore sq why was Air NZ voted as having one of the best Business classes in the world 2nd I think, and their economy class is often said to be
30 Skystar : Singapore_sq, Does that mean that PTVs are the only thing in the world that matter in Economy Class? NZ have probably the best economy class seat in t
31 Jiml1126 : Eventhough the superior in-flight service can attract more customers. But when you got more customers, it doesn't mean you'll financial status will al
32 Singapore_sq : Air New Zealand's Business Class is NOT an award winning product as they are old, uncomfortable and at times, you get the old hen serving you with a r
33 Post contains images NZ767 : zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
34 Aerorobnz : the 9/11 is being used as an excuse for airlines going bankrupt etc, but in actual fact the world was in a financial recession long before then..
35 Singapore_sq : I am also going to sleep on Air NZ Not worth the effort as they are not an airline of any distinction merit. Not worth debating about them. They are u
36 Mx5_boy : Hhhhhmmm, Air New Zealand winning business & economy class awards? WHAT ABOUT ANSETT INTERNATIONAL? Now that was award winning....! No one dare questi
37 Singapore_Air : Singapore_SQ: Snooze? Try Air New Zealand's First Class with a nice cabin ambience and relaxing surroundings.
38 B744 : Fqtv, Yeah it is all a bit confusing. I was talking a an Air NZ rep one time and they said that complimentary upgrade certificates were only one secto
39 JaseWGTN : The fact that Air NZ may have screwed Ansett over doesn't affect their in flight service. At the end of the day, Air NZ has superb in flight service.
40 Jiml1126 : Why have SQ Boys escaped? Is it because Australian Securities and Investment Commission (ASIC) are after them. Don't you still think it's better to le
41 F27 : I have some stories to tell about ANZ disgusting service and flight attendants who do not deserve to be in the Airline. One of the guys who i worked w
42 JaseWGTN : I bags that we take the soap box away from F27, as he has obviously never been on Air NZ and is speaking purely from bitter hear-say. I
43 JSC_23 : It's just too sad that when you guys can't find fault with Air New Zealands superior service you have to drag up the Ansett debarcle. F27 If we are ju
44 ZK-NBT : OK Singapore sq and F27 why don't you 2 stay out of this thread because as usual we get into pathetic fights over nothing! If you can't speak PROPERLY
45 NZ767 : Better still, F27, why don't you go see a counsellor and get it off your chest? A lot of people around here are peeved off with Air NZ because of what
46 Airlinelover : I am looking at Air NZ from LAX-AKL on Dec 14 2002.. Any thoughts? Chris
47 Post contains images B744 : F27 - yeah I bet that really happened Airlinelover - you might be lucky to get a seat! TG992 or Jase may be able to confirm, but I had friends trying
48 AirNewZealand : Take it youll love the experience. They are the best airline flying this route!! Cheers mikey
49 Singapore_sq : Forget flying Air NZ, fly Qantas...the True Blue Aussie Airline.
50 AirNewZealand : Actually Qantas are Red!! Cheers mikey
51 9V-SVE : Theres no surprise why Gina Madrid is always found using other usernames in the forums. She has been found using the following: 1. Anzett 2. CX74B 3.
52 JaseWGTN : On the 14th Dec LAX - AKL there are no economy seats available. NZ17 is showing 3 seats for sale, but is totally overbooked. Tell them to buy a D Clas
53 Post contains images Singapore_Air : Kudos 9V-SVE....again Don't forget the predecessors JohnWest and Airline2000. Makes you wonder whehter the "person" in question is male or female. Any
54 Mx5_boy : I wonder how NZ fared at the Star Alliance meeting? Any clucking of tongues? mb
55 Post contains images Singapore_Air : What Star Alliance meeting?! Did I miss it?! I watched last years in a webcast heheeh
56 Singapore_sq : I told you guys that Singapore_Air is not that good with his information. FYI, Star Alliance had there meeting in Miami recently to discuss the downtu
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