Airplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2 Posted (13 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3004 times:
I posted this once before, but didn't really get a lot of feedback, so I'm posting it again. What airlines have two class layouts and what airlines have three class layouts? Which ones have sleeper seats in first class? Which airlines have PTVs in first? First and business? The whole aircraft? If only some of an airline's aircraft have PTVs, which types and are they in just first? First and business? The whole aircraft? Tell me as many airlines as you can think of. Thanks!
El Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2967 times:
El Al Israel Airlines was thinking of turning from 3 class layouts (F, C & Y) into just two, meaning, cancelling it's 1st class and creating a new C-F class, however, last week the airline manegment had decided to cancel this idea and to maintain 1st class (full flat beds) together with forming a new C/class (55"-60" etc'...)
FrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2948 times:
It all depends on what you are looking for. For the vast majority of the flying public, who fly economy class, could care less if the airplane has three cabins or two cabins. Economy class is all the same to them, two cabins, three cabins, it doens't matter. Now, for the people that do fly upfront it depends, again, on what they are looking for. Three cabin aircraft are excellent for high yield international flights. such as LAX-CDG, ORD-LHR, JFK-LHR, etc., etc. For those who can afford it, whose businesses can afford it, or elite members the first class sleeper cabins are a great deal. It's no doubt the most comfortable way to fly. On the same note, business class, on a three cabin aircraft, is a more affordable alternative to first class. It also offers the opportunity for more upgrades for elite members. Like I said, it's all in how you look at it. Travel safe.....
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33783 posts, RR: 70
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2939 times:
FrequenyFlyKid is right. 3-class is better for yields, probably, but it all just depends on what you like. One correction, though. LAX-CDG is not very high-yield. Why do you think UA and AA both dropped the route this September (before 9/11)? Though it does make money for AF, I would assume. From the US, internationally, UA, US, and AA are three-class. CO and DL are two-class. I believe NW is 3-class too. UA and AA also use 3-class service heavily on trans-cons between JFK/IAD/BOS/MIA and LAX/SFO/SEA and hub routes. While 3-class service is great, it is cheaper to run a 2-class plane, but a 3-class plane can, in return, bring you higher yields.
9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2887 times:
UA Also has 4 Class.........Economy, Economy Plus, Business, and First. But only on some aircraft.
SQ has 2&3 class. Some of it's 777s have 2 class while the rest of the fleet has 3 class. The 2 class 777s are mainly used on leisure routes such as Brisbane, Nagoya, Adelaide etc.
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2876 times:
United Airlines will be using 4 class planes on all international ocean crossing routes. The three types of planes that are used mainly on international travel are teh 763, 777, and the 744.
On the 777 and the 747 there is the first suite which will fold into a flat bed. These planes are equiped with PTVs for the passengers in first. Also on the 747 and the 777, Business is being outfitted with more room creating "Enhanced Business." The seats recline farther than before, and there is more leg room. Row 9 on the 777 is wonderful with Enhanced Biz.
The 767-300 also has 3 classes of service. There is the first class cabin with 10 seats (no sleepers), the business class cabin with 32 seats (all with Enhanced Biz), Economy Plus, and standard economy. Every passenger on the 767 as well as the 777 has a PTV. On the 747, First and Biz class only has PTVs.
United is also equiping their entire international fleet with new seats. These seats feature adjustable headrests, and are designed to support your back much better.
United Airlines runs 3 class 767-200s on the transcons from JFK/BOS to SFO/LAX. They feature the older seat designes, and no PTVs, but with excellent service you hardly notice.
2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2819 times:
Delta is a two class airline- either First class and Economy or Business Elite and Economy.
BizElite has PTVs.
Deltas 777's have PTVs and I believe the same IFE system as BizElite in economy.
Deltas 767-400s has ptvs and the same IFE system as BizElite, but that is it for PTVs in first.. the rest of the fleet with the standard fist class do not have PTVs. Hopefully they add PTVs in first on the rest of the fleet in the future.
9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2816 times:
9V-SPK, how come the one that landed in Nagoya was 9V-SRB, a 2 class 777.
Brisbane is nearly always served by 9V-SRs, check the photo database.
The only photo of a SQ 777 in Adelaide is that of 9V-SRB, a 2 classer.
Skystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2808 times:
I'd call the UA setup a 3.5 class airline.
Economy Plus is hardly a new class, note the retention of "Economy" in the title. All it is, is a bit more legroom, otherwise the product is the same - and you do purchase Economy tickets to sit there.
That is different to a VS Premium Economy which is a more substantial offering than merely extra legroom.