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2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.  
User currently offlineAirplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

I posted this once before, but didn't really get a lot of feedback, so I'm posting it again. What airlines have two class layouts and what airlines have three class layouts? Which ones have sleeper seats in first class? Which airlines have PTVs in first? First and business? The whole aircraft? If only some of an airline's aircraft have PTVs, which types and are they in just first? First and business? The whole aircraft? Tell me as many airlines as you can think of. Thanks!

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User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

El Al Israel Airlines was thinking of turning from 3 class layouts (F, C & Y) into just two, meaning, cancelling it's 1st class and creating a new C-F class, however, last week the airline manegment had decided to cancel this idea and to maintain 1st class (full flat beds) together with forming a new C/class (55"-60" etc'...)

Michael


User currently offlineBizJet From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

which brings the question:

which is better, 2-class or 3-class service?


User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

It all depends on what you are looking for. For the vast majority of the flying public, who fly economy class, could care less if the airplane has three cabins or two cabins. Economy class is all the same to them, two cabins, three cabins, it doens't matter. Now, for the people that do fly upfront it depends, again, on what they are looking for. Three cabin aircraft are excellent for high yield international flights. such as LAX-CDG, ORD-LHR, JFK-LHR, etc., etc. For those who can afford it, whose businesses can afford it, or elite members the first class sleeper cabins are a great deal. It's no doubt the most comfortable way to fly. On the same note, business class, on a three cabin aircraft, is a more affordable alternative to first class. It also offers the opportunity for more upgrades for elite members. Like I said, it's all in how you look at it. Travel safe.....

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33190 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (12 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

FrequenyFlyKid is right. 3-class is better for yields, probably, but it all just depends on what you like. One correction, though. LAX-CDG is not very high-yield. Why do you think UA and AA both dropped the route this September (before 9/11)? Though it does make money for AF, I would assume. From the US, internationally, UA, US, and AA are three-class. CO and DL are two-class. I believe NW is 3-class too. UA and AA also use 3-class service heavily on trans-cons between JFK/IAD/BOS/MIA and LAX/SFO/SEA and hub routes. While 3-class service is great, it is cheaper to run a 2-class plane, but a 3-class plane can, in return, bring you higher yields.


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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5092 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (12 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

I personally like the idea of airlines maintaining 3 Class.


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User currently offlineAirplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Thanks a lot for your info! What about the airlines that have three classes, PTVs, etc. (besides the ones you've listed)?

Regards,
airplanetire


User currently offlineAamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

Dont forget the 4 class airline... BA.

Anyone know of any other 4 class airlines???
I know for fact the Virgin is 3 class because it combined business and first, it used to be two class, until the age of cattle plus as i call it.


User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

UA Also has 4 Class.........Economy, Economy Plus, Business, and First. But only on some aircraft.
SQ has 2&3 class. Some of it's 777s have 2 class while the rest of the fleet has 3 class. The 2 class 777s are mainly used on leisure routes such as Brisbane, Nagoya, Adelaide etc.


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (12 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

United Airlines will be using 4 class planes on all international ocean crossing routes. The three types of planes that are used mainly on international travel are teh 763, 777, and the 744.

On the 777 and the 747 there is the first suite which will fold into a flat bed. These planes are equiped with PTVs for the passengers in first. Also on the 747 and the 777, Business is being outfitted with more room creating "Enhanced Business." The seats recline farther than before, and there is more leg room. Row 9 on the 777 is wonderful with Enhanced Biz.

The 767-300 also has 3 classes of service. There is the first class cabin with 10 seats (no sleepers), the business class cabin with 32 seats (all with Enhanced Biz), Economy Plus, and standard economy. Every passenger on the 767 as well as the 777 has a PTV. On the 747, First and Biz class only has PTVs.

United is also equiping their entire international fleet with new seats. These seats feature adjustable headrests, and are designed to support your back much better.

United Airlines runs 3 class 767-200s on the transcons from JFK/BOS to SFO/LAX. They feature the older seat designes, and no PTVs, but with excellent service you hardly notice.

I L U V 7 6 7


User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (12 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

EVA AIR was the first airline to introduce 4-class service. Virgin Atlantic also has 4-class service on some planes (upper class) i think.

User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (12 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

SQ B772s 2 class layouts are flown on Kuala Lumpur, Jarkata, Colombo, Penang, Chicago, Copenhagen, Amsterdam, Rome.Soon on Jeddah.

Brisbane and Nagoya are with 3 class configurations B772s, not sure of Adelaide.

Cathay Also flies 2 class configurations.

Did Ansett International flew 4 class?My friend said that seats on upper deck were sorta like...wider or better?Not sure about that.

Best Regards


User currently offline2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Delta is a two class airline- either First class and Economy or Business Elite and Economy.

BizElite has PTVs.
Deltas 777's have PTVs and I believe the same IFE system as BizElite in economy.

Deltas 767-400s has ptvs and the same IFE system as BizElite, but that is it for PTVs in first.. the rest of the fleet with the standard fist class do not have PTVs. Hopefully they add PTVs in first on the rest of the fleet in the future.


User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

9V-SPK, how come the one that landed in Nagoya was 9V-SRB, a 2 class 777.
Brisbane is nearly always served by 9V-SRs, check the photo database.
The only photo of a SQ 777 in Adelaide is that of 9V-SRB, a 2 classer.


User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

I'd call the UA setup a 3.5 class airline.

Economy Plus is hardly a new class, note the retention of "Economy" in the title. All it is, is a bit more legroom, otherwise the product is the same - and you do purchase Economy tickets to sit there.

That is different to a VS Premium Economy which is a more substantial offering than merely extra legroom.

Cheers,

Justin


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (12 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Of course, BA also has flat beds in Club as well as First. No doubt the other carriers will race to catch up, but for the moment they have a serious competitive advantage.


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User currently offlineHkg_clk From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

For short to medium haul flights, two classes makes sense. Passengers just won't have the opportunity to sleep even if the seat could be folded flat.

For long-haul, I guess airlines have to keep in mind that there are some people who just can't tolerate anything but first class for such a long journey!



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User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

AN Intl. was two class, not 4.




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