Ceilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1594 times:
Virgin in talks regarding A340-600 deliveries
Dateline: Wednesday December 05, 2001
Virgin Atlantic Airways, launch customer for the A340-600, is considering delaying delivery of its orders.
Virgin has ordered 10 A340-600s, including four due for delivery next year. After the Sept. 11 attacks, though, it said it would cut capacity by 20%. "The A340-600s are our biggest outstanding order, and we're discussing with Airbus what implications our capacity plans will have on it," said spokesperson Paul Moore. "We have not come to a conclusion just yet."
Airbus said it expects to commence deliveries despite the negotiations. "We are in talks with [Virgin] but we consider that we will start delivering the aircraft to them next year," an Airbus spokesperson said. Earlier this year Swissair Group cancelled nine A340-600s following its bankruptcy.
Ceilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1510 times:
Hkgspotter1 - as far as I'm aware, Virgin doesn't own any of their existing A340s - they're on lease from ILFC (I think). Can't see the lessor being too happy about having to take any aircraft back early without very substantial cash penalties in the current market!
VC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3717 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1502 times:
All Vs are doing is still negotiating the price. Obviously with the cancellations mentioned above and the general downturn in the airline industry it's a buyers market, unless AI want to be left with a load of white tails.
All I know is I'm off to TLS next month for my -600 type course.
Andreas777 From Spain, joined Jan 2001, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1481 times:
I have here the latest issue of Flight International (4-10 dec). From what I understand VS has refused the latest offer from Airbus, which included a finance package to return the A340-300 to lessors before the end of the leases.
Most of the aircraft to be delivered to VS are already in an advanced state of build, putting Airbus in an even more dire situation.
Basically, Airbus is now looking for a new launch customer for the A340-600.
The A340-500/600 programme has suffered lots of setbacks, with SIA delaying deliveries until late 2003.
Cathay Pacific now seems to become the initial operator of the A340-600, and the company is thought to be unhappy with this.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1479 times:
Hope Virgin & Airbus are able to resolve matters; I can't wait to fly them (somewhere!)
Anyone know what routes VS will deploy these monsters on? Or will they deploy them on any route, as & when pax/cargo capacity demands?
Is there any chance you could take some photos for us? (I'll understand if this isn't allowed).
How different do you expect your work to be on this new variant? Any improvements to make your life easier? What are the flightdeck improvements? Sorry for so many questions, but I gather you work for Virgin as an engineer!
And 1 more question; I'll be flying Virgin from CPT on the 3rd January; last year I noted they were using an A340 on the route; will this still be the case for my flight on 3/01, or could it equally turn out to be the 744? (I haven't flown the '340 yet, so my hopes are that there will be a shiny Airbus waiting on the tarmac).
JetBlue320 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1471 times:
Did you guys know that Richard Branson made a deal with someone at airbus... Richard Branson said that if he could get the dude's watch off without him knowing, then he [branson] would get his A340s at a discount. Well, Amazingly, knowing branson, he did it. I read this in FORBES in an article about richard branson. He is one horny guy. (no wonder he named his book HOW I LOST MY VIRGINITY)
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12676 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1438 times:
Don't forget there was mention of VS doing a deal with Boeing a la SIA A340; i.e. that Boeing would buy the 346s if VS would take the 773ER. If this aircraft is not flying for another 2-3 years, it could give VS plenty of breathing space.
Stratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1406 times:
It proves how weird contacts in aviation business are...
If a normal person orders a product and then refuses to take it we all know what happens.
Ain´t there no binding contracts anymore?
Leftseat86 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1365 times:
All I know is that the 340-600 I see everyday here in Toulouse is not in VS colors yet... the plane looks cool, but sometimes seems like it will crack in half like the 777-300!
It's a nice plane though, probably one of the best Airbus have made yet...
Wingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2382 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1343 times:
VS can never get the 773 now after Branson shot his own dick off a few weeks back by hinting that twin-engine airplanes were flying coffins. Even rich people can be dumb as rocks sometimes.
Unlike the rest of you though, I'm thrilled with this news. I recall distinctly a few months ago Leahy and his cronies pompously saying Airbus would never suffer like Boeing through this period because their customer base was so much deeper and healthier. People who talk shit deserve the worst. Funny, I haven't heard any comments from N.1 Loud Mouth is a few weeks now.