PSU_DTW_SCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (13 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3349 times:
FOR RELEASE: Thursday, Dec. 6, 2001
AMERICAN AIRLINES CHANGES LIVERY ON TWA AIRCRAFT; RETAINS 50 JOBS
ST. LOUIS – The re-branding of TWA as American Airlines continues with the introduction of the first TWA aircraft in the familiar American Airlines livery this week.
TWA’s fleet will bear the full American Airlines livery by next June. Additional paint lines are being established at the Kansas City Maintenance Base to complete this project sooner, allowing American to retain about 50 TWA workers slated for September 11-related furlough at the Kansas City Base.
A total of 136 TWA aircraft will be stripped, polished, and painted in American's livery. The first of these TWA aircraft, an MD83, entered revenue service this week. Today it is scheduled to carry American Airlines passengers between American’s new St. Louis hub and three cities, including Dallas-Fort Worth.
In addition to this conversion to the full American livery, all TWA aircraft have already been refitted with More Room Throughout Coach, giving American Airlines coach passengers more room to work and relax during their flight.
On Jan. 1, 2002, all TWA employees will move to pay scales and benefits which mirror American’s.
I wondered if AA was repainting TWA planes into the full AA livery now that the TWA name has virtually disappeared, I guess this answers my question. 136 planes in 6 months, that's quite a task. One question, are the 767-300's and the 717's not delivered in the AA hybrid livery getting repainted too?
FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2986 times:
I'm sure the 'N' numbers will stay the same for the foreseeable future. But I'm curious to see which 136 planes are getting full AA livery. Are all 717s, 757s & MD-80s getting them? I think the 767s are being returned to the lessors, as with some MD-80s. I sure hope that AA keeps the 717s in service for a good while longer...maybe then they'll realized what a excellent product the 717 is. American also must have the world's largest MD-80 fleet by far now...over 300 in revenue service. Just my two cents here. Regards.
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JetBlue320 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2934 times:
I Sure hope they keep the beautiful 717-200s. I also hope that they are the Launch Customer for the 717-300. Maybe it will happen after the pilots say, "Hey, This bird really does fly good." The 717 is sick, and she needs a few more orders to get better, just as Harry Stonecipher said to YX after they confirmed the 20 717 orders. "Take 20, and Call me in the morning." GO 717
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4498 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2910 times:
Yes, that's true. The 757's original operator will be easily found out with the engines, like you say American's 757's are RR powered while those of TWA (we can say now FORMER TWA right?) are PW powered. Kind of weird to see an American 757 with PW engines! I don't even know if those will remain long at American. I remember when fifteen years ago Northwest bought Republic, former Republic 757's were RR powered while those originally ordered by Northwest have always been PW powered. No TWA 767 will be repainted in AA, those will be disposed of. American doesn't want them, that's why they ordered more brand new 767-300's directly from Boeing.
About the MD-80's, I think you're right. The only way we can see if it came from TWA is looking at the registration, either ending in AA or TW. The MD-80's definitely do fit in AA and will stay in service for a long time to come, until at least next decade.
I agree that American could discuss with Boeing for the launch of the 717-300, and call it 717Stretch. The 717-300 would be the perfect replacement of the MD-80, instead of NG737's. The 717 in American's livery looks good and fits well in the fleet, an MD-80 pilot can easily switch to the 717.
That's it. TWA is now fully integrated in AA. Completion of repainting the fleet in AA's livery will take an additional six months.
Ndebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2904 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2888 times:
Don't get me wrong, imho the 717 is the best aircraft ever. But two questions, American 767: 1) Do you think AA's decision about ordering a new aircraft will be basing on the fact that it would look good in AA's livery? 2) Is it really that easy for pilots to switch from MD-80 to 717 - is it the same type rating?
Btw, can anybody tell me why AA didn't keep Reno Air's MD-80? They had the same engines as AA's MD-80, what was the big difference?
Jettblasterp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2865 times:
A 717-300 would not exactly replace the MD-80 for AA. A 717-300 could only get as big as a DC9-50 as Boeing would have to completely redesign the wing. MD-80 & DC9 (717) have very different wings. I don't see Boeing dumping more money into the 717 for a LONG time.
PSU_DTW_SCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 2792 times:
Here's another question, AA wants to get rid of TWA's 763's, fact. That would make sense for them to be removed from the fleet, thus not be repainted. When are they going to be returned to the lessors? There are 9 763's from TWA still in the fleet. The only routes they fly are STL-HNL, STL-OGG, STL-LGW, STL-LAX 2x. With excess fleet capacity, couldn't AA easily get rid of those 763's and either place them with their own or with another aircraft. STL-LAX could be handled with any aircraft, maybe an TW 757. That leaves HNL, OGG, & LGW that would need a 767. For the Hawaii flights AA would have to probably convert 1 or 2 more 763's to 2 class Hawaii configuration. The LGW flight could be done with a 762, 763, or even aa 777. With low aircraft utilization, is this a posibility or will the TW 763's be around for a while longer.
Also, what is the status with the 15 763's due to start being delivered in 2002. AA defered 29 of 45-ish aircraft for next year. Are the 763's still on schedule or where they included in the deferment.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (13 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2774 times:
All of the 763s will not get the AA treatment.......and some of the MD80s will not either as certain aircraft are being returned at the end of their leases, or the leases are being terminated.
AA has ordered 15 additional 767-300 aircraft which were intended to replace/supplement the PW 763s operated by TWA that will leave the fleet........all before 9/11......does anyone know the current status of that order?
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4498 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (13 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2776 times:
I'm not saying that American should launch the 717-300 because it would look good in AA livery. No, I was just saying it could be a possibility in the future if American is happy with the 717's they got from TWA. Of course I'm not stupid to think American will order a new aircraft just because it look beautiful in the livery, I know there a a lot of factors to consider such as the range, network, seat mile cost, crew training, spare parts,...it may be considered as a possibility now that American does fly the 717. I said the 717 in AA livery looked good (that's my personal taste) but I didn't say that was the reason to order more of those.
About type ratings, I know that the MD-80 and 717's are different type ratings, but what I'm saying is that they are not that different from each other. If there are two pilots (only one of the two has flown the MD-80) in training in a 717 class, the one that has flown the MD-80 will learn the aircraft faster. I didn't say that the MD-80 and the 717 had the same type rating.
TurboTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (13 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2568 times:
At Lambert yesterday, I saw an MD-80 in full AA scheme. An ex TWA 757 landed in full AA colors, too. I mean with the whole works-AA tail w/ eagle, and American lettering above first class. I recognized it as being an ex TW by the distinctive PW engines.