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TWA Repaint To AA, No More Hybrids  
User currently offlinePSU_DTW_SCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

From http://www.amrcorp.com

FOR RELEASE: Thursday, Dec. 6, 2001
AMERICAN AIRLINES CHANGES LIVERY ON TWA AIRCRAFT; RETAINS 50 JOBS

ST. LOUIS – The re-branding of TWA as American Airlines continues with the introduction of the first TWA aircraft in the familiar American Airlines livery this week.

TWA’s fleet will bear the full American Airlines livery by next June. Additional paint lines are being established at the Kansas City Maintenance Base to complete this project sooner, allowing American to retain about 50 TWA workers slated for September 11-related furlough at the Kansas City Base.

A total of 136 TWA aircraft will be stripped, polished, and painted in American's livery. The first of these TWA aircraft, an MD83, entered revenue service this week. Today it is scheduled to carry American Airlines passengers between American’s new St. Louis hub and three cities, including Dallas-Fort Worth.

In addition to this conversion to the full American livery, all TWA aircraft have already been refitted with More Room Throughout Coach, giving American Airlines coach passengers more room to work and relax during their flight.

On Jan. 1, 2002, all TWA employees will move to pay scales and benefits which mirror American’s.


I wondered if AA was repainting TWA planes into the full AA livery now that the TWA name has virtually disappeared, I guess this answers my question. 136 planes in 6 months, that's quite a task. One question, are the 767-300's and the 717's not delivered in the AA hybrid livery getting repainted too?


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Sad news.

Although I was never a TWA fan. I always loved seeing TWA here at Denver.

Just when I see them I think to myself what a truly amazing airline it is.

It set a standard for other airlines.

They will be missed greatly.  Sad

Regards.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineRailmatt From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Are they changing the "N" numbers to end in "AA" or leaving them "TW"?

I know for a long time you could pick out the ex-Western planes at Delta because they ended in "WA".


User currently offlineJetBlue320 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

I hope they leave them in TW, So we can see whos MD80s are whos. The 757s can be compared by engines. AA has RR, TW has PW. 717, well DUH!!!!!

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

I hate mergers  Sad

but its better than seeing them totally die off like Pan Am and Eastern


User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

I would image that the reg. numbers would stay the same. I sure hope they do.

User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

I'm sure the 'N' numbers will stay the same for the foreseeable future. But I'm curious to see which 136 planes are getting full AA livery. Are all 717s, 757s & MD-80s getting them? I think the 767s are being returned to the lessors, as with some MD-80s. I sure hope that AA keeps the 717s in service for a good while longer...maybe then they'll realized what a excellent product the 717 is. American also must have the world's largest MD-80 fleet by far now...over 300 in revenue service. Just my two cents here. Regards.


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineJetBlue320 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

I Sure hope they keep the beautiful 717-200s. I also hope that they are the Launch Customer for the 717-300. Maybe it will happen after the pilots say, "Hey, This bird really does fly good." The 717 is sick, and she needs a few more orders to get better, just as Harry Stonecipher said to YX after they confirmed the 20 717 orders. "Take 20, and Call me in the morning." GO 717

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3740 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2212 times:
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Yes, that's true. The 757's original operator will be easily found out with the engines, like you say American's 757's are RR powered while those of TWA (we can say now FORMER TWA right?) are PW powered. Kind of weird to see an American 757 with PW engines! I don't even know if those will remain long at American. I remember when fifteen years ago Northwest bought Republic, former Republic 757's were RR powered while those originally ordered by Northwest have always been PW powered. No TWA 767 will be repainted in AA, those will be disposed of. American doesn't want them, that's why they ordered more brand new 767-300's directly from Boeing.

About the MD-80's, I think you're right. The only way we can see if it came from TWA is looking at the registration, either ending in AA or TW. The MD-80's definitely do fit in AA and will stay in service for a long time to come, until at least next decade.

I agree that American could discuss with Boeing for the launch of the 717-300, and call it 717Stretch. The 717-300 would be the perfect replacement of the MD-80, instead of NG737's. The 717 in American's livery looks good and fits well in the fleet, an MD-80 pilot can easily switch to the 717.

That's it. TWA is now fully integrated in AA. Completion of repainting the fleet in AA's livery will take an additional six months.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



Ben Soriano
User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2899 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Don't get me wrong, imho the 717 is the best aircraft ever. But two questions, American 767: 1) Do you think AA's decision about ordering a new aircraft will be basing on the fact that it would look good in AA's livery? 2) Is it really that easy for pilots to switch from MD-80 to 717 - is it the same type rating?

Btw, can anybody tell me why AA didn't keep Reno Air's MD-80? They had the same engines as AA's MD-80, what was the big difference?


User currently offlineJason Seiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Only about half of TWA's MD-80's have regs ending in TW... don't forget the N95*U aircraft or all of them that have N9### and then a letter. Some of the B717's have N24## then a letter reg numbers.





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User currently offlineJettblasterp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

A 717-300 would not exactly replace the MD-80 for AA. A 717-300 could only get as big as a DC9-50 as Boeing would have to completely redesign the wing. MD-80 & DC9 (717) have very different wings. I don't see Boeing dumping more money into the 717 for a LONG time.

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Where will all of those P&W powered TWA 767s go? Maybe NW or UA can pickup up some of those 767s at a cheap price?


User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

why would NW want a 767???


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User currently offlinePSU_DTW_SCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Here's an easy way to tell AA from former TWA MD-80's, the nose

AA MD-80's have the black painted nose:

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Chris Coduto



TWA's repainted MD-80's are in the painted composite gray color.

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Brian Peters



User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Just saw an AA MD-83 pass overhead here in PHX. Very shiny....Obviously a recent TWA makeover.

User currently offlinePSU_DTW_SCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

Here's another question, AA wants to get rid of TWA's 763's, fact. That would make sense for them to be removed from the fleet, thus not be repainted. When are they going to be returned to the lessors? There are 9 763's from TWA still in the fleet. The only routes they fly are STL-HNL, STL-OGG, STL-LGW, STL-LAX 2x. With excess fleet capacity, couldn't AA easily get rid of those 763's and either place them with their own or with another aircraft. STL-LAX could be handled with any aircraft, maybe an TW 757. That leaves HNL, OGG, & LGW that would need a 767. For the Hawaii flights AA would have to probably convert 1 or 2 more 763's to 2 class Hawaii configuration. The LGW flight could be done with a 762, 763, or even aa 777. With low aircraft utilization, is this a posibility or will the TW 763's be around for a while longer.

Also, what is the status with the 15 763's due to start being delivered in 2002. AA defered 29 of 45-ish aircraft for next year. Are the 763's still on schedule or where they included in the deferment.


User currently offlinePSU_DTW_SCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Oh yeah so here's the numbers.

TWA: 103 MD-80's, 27 757's, 9 763's, 30 717's.

5 717's have been, will be delivered in the AA livery
9 763's not being repainted-returned to lessors.

The math adds up to more than 136 aircraft.
It would appear that AA may not be repainting their 717's, thus showing they aren't in the plans to be around in the long run.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

All of the 763s will not get the AA treatment.......and some of the MD80s will not either as certain aircraft are being returned at the end of their leases, or the leases are being terminated.

AA has ordered 15 additional 767-300 aircraft which were intended to replace/supplement the PW 763s operated by TWA that will leave the fleet........all before 9/11......does anyone know the current status of that order?


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3740 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2078 times:
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Ndebele,

I'm not saying that American should launch the 717-300 because it would look good in AA livery. No, I was just saying it could be a possibility in the future if American is happy with the 717's they got from TWA. Of course I'm not stupid to think American will order a new aircraft just because it look beautiful in the livery, I know there a a lot of factors to consider such as the range, network, seat mile cost, crew training, spare parts,...it may be considered as a possibility now that American does fly the 717. I said the 717 in AA livery looked good (that's my personal taste) but I didn't say that was the reason to order more of those.
About type ratings, I know that the MD-80 and 717's are different type ratings, but what I'm saying is that they are not that different from each other. If there are two pilots (only one of the two has flown the MD-80) in training in a 717 class, the one that has flown the MD-80 will learn the aircraft faster. I didn't say that the MD-80 and the 717 had the same type rating.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



Ben Soriano
User currently offlineJetBlue320 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

I hope AA keeps the 717 for at least 4 years. That will give the program time to get off of its feet.


User currently offlineRwy31R From Saudi Arabia, joined Aug 2001, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2005 times:

Its so sad seeing the TWA go like that. It was my fave airline when I was 3-7 years old, and I will miss them so (specially the all red cheatline scheme on the 747 at JFK).

Now that AA has its hands all over TW, It is a sure thing that they will change TW's colors to AA, honostly I would perfer that than a hybrids.. I think they look terrible.



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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2899 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

At least we had the chance to say goodbye to this great company. When I visited LGW in September and saw that TWA 767, I knew that would be my last TWA. I took a photo. Great company!

The End!


User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1923 times:
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I saw an American MD80 parked in one of (former) TWA's gates today at MSP. Strange.


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User currently offlinePSU_DTW_SCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Asking again, does anyone know how long the TWA 763's will still be around, and the status on AA's order for 15 763's to start being delivered in mid 2002?

User currently offlineTurboTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

At Lambert yesterday, I saw an MD-80 in full AA scheme. An ex TWA 757 landed in full AA colors, too. I mean with the whole works-AA tail w/ eagle, and American lettering above first class. I recognized it as being an ex TW by the distinctive PW engines.

TurboTristar



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