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BA Sells 767s - What Does This Mean For Qf?  
User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

According to news reports, BA is to sell 21 767's for £600 million for possible tanker conversion!!

The question is, how does this affect 767s currently leased to Qantas and rumours that QF was going to take a lot more (according to Brad, 2 more are a certainty to replace the 2 AWAS aircraft)??

BA is really struggling...

Any insight would be of interest



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

How does this affect the MAN-JFK route?? Possible upgrade to 777???


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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

BA's 767-300 fleet are getting long in the tooth. Most were delivered to British Airways between 1989 and the early 1990's and were heavily utilized (and probably still are) on short-haul flights to Continental Europe from Heathrow (Milan, Rome, Zurich, Madrid, Frankfurt, to name a few). A few also operate across the Atlantic, from Manchester to JFK and for a time, to CLT, BWI, and PIT (before PIT was axed).

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

The sale won't happen for a long time - if ever (it requires the award of the tanker contract, not due until late next year); and when it does, you can bet that they won't go for £600m - that's equal to $50m per aircraft!

These are 'oddball' aircraft like the DC10-40; very few airlines operate 767s with RR engines. Their current market value is no more than US$10m each - and probably a lot less.


User currently offlineWarriorII From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

"BA's 767-300 fleet are getting long in the tooth. Most were delivered to British Airways between 1989 and the early 1990's and were heavily utilized (and probably still are) on short-haul flights to Continental Europe from Heathrow (Milan, Rome, Zurich, Madrid, Frankfurt, to name a few). A few also operate across the Atlantic, from Manchester to JFK and for a time, to CLT, BWI, and PIT (before PIT was axed)."

I would hardly call the BA B763ERs "long in the tooth", but remember that BA was receiving B763ERs until 1998 or 1999.

-Tom



User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13253 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

My understanding is that some of the grounded BA 767's will go to Qantas in April, although all of them will first go the the US for storage.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

600 million for 21 aircraft. Ceilidh says that is 50 million an aircraft! Once again his reply does not make sense.


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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7441 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2477 times:
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I guess they can finally pull the plug on the MAN-JFK route  Wink/being sarcastic Don't think it's very efficient to have just the one long-haul route out of MAN with one aircraft because when it goes tech (which has happened a few times this year), they have to ferry a 767 up for LHR/LGW to fly the service or cancel that day's service. In fact, on one occasion, the replacement 767 (think it was G-BNWV) for G-BNWH also went tech...so the flight had to be cancelled.

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User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Wed "Sydney Morning Herald":

Time to cut out the luxuries

Qantas is a great asset, but one British Airways can't afford, writes Elizabeth Knight.


That pesky rumour about British Airways selling its 22.5 per cent holding in Qantas just won't go away.

This time The Times in London reignited the story with quite a strong piece yesterday stating that British Airways was considering a £1 billion ($2.79 billion) rights issue to be unveiled in February.

It said that part of the BA restructuring would include selling its stake in Qantas.

The Qantas share price was slapped the second this story appeared on the wires. It closed down 12c at $3.88.

BA chief Rob Eddington earlier this week denied speculative reports in the weekend British press that there would be large job cuts associated with the airline's restructuring.

Qantas just hovers around repeating to analysts BA's official line that it would like to hold on to its Qantas stake.

And this is clearly true. It is one of the most valuable assets on the BA books. It earns money, which is more than can be said for most of the BA's other assets.

In a perfect world - or even in a normal world - this kind of investment is the perfect accessory to the partner relationship between the two airlines.

But Qantas is a luxury BA can ill afford. It's like holding onto the Cartier watch when the children are starving.

So it's no surprise BA is considering both a rights issue and selling its stake in Qantas.

The £400 million sale of the Qantas holding won't go near to getting BA out of its pickle but would help pay interest costs for a while.

Let's not forget, BA is £6.5 billion in debt and just lost $US75 million ($145.8 million) in the quarter.

While it might suit Qantas and BA to dismiss the latest reports as mere speculation, this scenario is entirely plausible.

Qantas doesn't like all this chat because it places an overhang on the stock which will clearly stay around until February when Eddington finishes his review and tells the investment community just how he is going to get BA out of its current mess.

In the meantime, Qantas continues to revel in the misfortunes of the rest of the Australian and overseas aviation industry.

Its information machine doesn't want to appear too cocky about how much money it is making from Ansett's demise but Qantas is probably the only airline in the world whose core profits will rise in the current year.

And moving into the future, Qantas has finally agreed on the launch of its budget airline, Australian Airlines, to start operating around September/October next year.

Ian Myles from Macquarie says Qantas is looking for a cost base 25 per cent below that of its existing airline.

Indeed, it's easier to start a Virgin than compete with one with the existing Qantas cost structure.

The first bit of saving will be increasing the number of seats on the plane. The next trick is to cut 20 per cent from staff costs.

Fuel costs should have fallen to a more comfortable level by late next year. Just the time to start a new airline. Of course the idea comes from the European low-cost airlines that have been so successful.

Myles says the Europeans achieve earnings before interest and tax of 25 per cent.

He contends that if one assumes a load factor of 80 to 90 per cent and yields 15 per cent below the normal level of Qantas, the Australian Airlines model could be looking at revenue of $80 million to $90 million. This would add $15 million to $25 million to the Qantas EBIT line.

Of course there would be some cannibalisation of the existing Qantas network, which has a higher yield. But the new airline should theoretically be more profitable because of its higher margin.

This is the time to experiment. Qantas has 90 per cent of the domestic aviation market and because the rest of the industry is in crisis can take advantage of cheaper aircraft and a potentially more flexible workforce.

The move by Chris Corrigan at Lang to take a position in Ansett is a play on reducing the airline's cost base by changing work practices. This was his modus operandi at the waterfront and it has been very profitable. Gaining Ansett assets through Virgin/Lang would be a threat to Qantas but would be less daunting if Qantas could counter the Virgin offer with its own low-cost airline.

Lang remains a long shot but is not yet out of the equation.



User currently offlineKWSea From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

I cannot understand why the UK media has it in for BA. There is no doubt that BA are in difficulty-but if BA are in trouble Virgin must be in a deeper mess. Constant reports about how they are too expensive, massive job layoffs, etc, etc. Not a word about Virgin who get 75% of their revenue from the North Atlantic and must be in just as bad shape if not worse.

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

If BA sell their stake in QF, could that pave the way for QF to re-start services to MAN???


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