Jet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2337 times:
I flew Pan Am LHR-MIA-TPA/MCO-MIA-LHR in August 1988. I didn't manage to get the reg's of the planes involved. It was B747-100s Trans-Atlantic, A B737-200 from MIA to TPA. However, I have a photo of the A300 that took me from MCO to MIA. You can't tell the reg. but you can see the name, it's Clipper Guatemala Does anyone have the reg. number? It would be a great help as this has been something that's been annoying me for over 10 years! Now, I'm on the internet I can ask. Also, the 737 had Gold taps and Air Florida wallpaper in the economy toilets. It also had Air Florida interior colours but was in full Pan Am billboard titles outside, was it unique? Does this mean anyone can identify this aircraft too and answer another question!
Thanks in advance,
If you can be of any help at all, don't hesitate, I'll be really greatful if you could answer my question(s)
Cody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1922 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2220 times:
I honestly don't know about the A300 Clipper Guatemala. Sorry. the 737's were registered N63AF, N64AF, N67AF, N68AF, and N69AF. These are the ones the came from Air Florida anyway. Did it really still have Air Florida interiors? I flew Air Florida in 1981 and I remember blue and green seats. I don't remember any specific wall paper though. What did it look like?
Craig From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 171 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2203 times:
Are you sure the name is 'Clipper Guatemala' ?
This Pan Am website is supposed to have all the clipper names right up to 1991 but I can't find the one your looking for. This is the website if you want a look yourself:
Jet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2196 times:
YES! It's definately "Clipper Guatemala" The photo I have is of the A300 nosed into the terminal at Orlando, so although you can't see the registration, the name is clearly visible. The reason I'm asking this question now and not 12 years ago, is that the name was not in the fleet lists at the time. However, Pan Am was notorious for changing it's aircraft names as they served in different areas of the world. This would seem to fit, as at the time I flew on it the A300 would have been based at Miami operating mainly Caribbean routes.
It did have it's full Air Florida interior, right down to the seats. They were green, with a very broad blue horizontal band, they were definately not standard Pan Am seats. The cabin sidewalls had 3 broad bands of colour, each covering one third of the height of the panel below the overhead lockers. The top was light green, the middle light blue and the lower was pale grey. In the toilet (I only used the rear ones) the wallpaper was dark green, I think, and had the Air Florida "af" logo at very frequent intervals across the walls. Also, the taps were gold plated. I remember being quite surprised at the time, the demise of the airline being some 4 years earlier. Anyway, I always regretted not flying the original Air Florida and so was pleased to be able to fly in one of it's aircraft. I guess Pan Am had more pressing troubles at the time than refurbishing aircraft that weren't desparate. The 747-100 that flew the previous leg of my journey was falling apart! It featured it's oringinal early 1970s interior, much of the cabin trim was held together with sellotape, some ceiling panels and centre overhead lockers hung down broken and the IFE system gave up the ghost 20 minutes into the flight. As a contrast, the identical plane that flew me home had clearly just been refurbished, with a totally new interior including much bigger sidewall overhead storages.
Anyway, thanks for your help everyone, I'll check those links. I know it's a long time ago, but If anyone's records go back that far I'd be greatful for any help
Jet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2183 times:
While you're tinking about my A300 question, I thought I might as well post the question about the next leg of my flight.
It was still August 1988. The flight was on a B747-100 from Miami to Heathrow. Again I'm looking for the reg. and wonder if the info i have can identify the plane. It was in the new livery and the interior was in immaculate condition. It must have recently been refurbished and featured the larger sidewall overhead lockers. The ones with the upward opening door as opposed to the older drop down type, still found in the centre of the cabin.
I did get a photo of the plane, but the name was obscured by the airport building. The reg looks like N747PA or N741PA or something similar.
Also, very important, the reason I think the plane may be unique is that on the right/starboard side there were only 2 upper deck windows. Looking at the photo it is the first window that is missing. It's the only 747 I've ever seen with only 2 upper deck windows.
Is the plane identifiable from the info I have given?
Can anyone help?
I'd be really greatful if you could. I know there must be many people out there who are knowledgable about Pan Am.
Anyway, Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide.
There were several Pan Am A300s which had more than one name, mainly reflecting Central America like N209PA.
Here's the list
N204PA Clipper Washington was also Clipper Costa Rica
N207PA Clipper Los Angeles was also Clipper Panama N209PA Clipper Boston was also Clipper Guatemala
N211PA Clipper Orlando was also Cipper Houston
Thanks for your help with this one! If anyone could help identify my 747 I'd also be greatful.
Pilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1380 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2163 times:
looking through both a book I have in front of me, and at some of the aircraft on this site, Pan-Am seemed to have a few B747-100's with only 2 windows on the starboard side. I have N737PA, N650PA and one more, I think N653PA which have 2 starboard upper deck windows. I'll look through the files and see if I can narrow the range a little.
Talk to you later
Pilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1380 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2165 times:
Well, from just looking at the photos here, there are 4 possible aircraft. N737PA, N653PA, N750PA or N747PA. The only other aircraft that seems to have had the 2 window upper deck is N739PA, the aircraft that was lost over lockerbie in December 1988, however this wasn't repainted in the new scheme( as far as I'm aware). So it's over to you, if there any more clues from the photo let us know.
Jet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2167 times:
It looks like you've solved my problem!
As I said you can almost make out the reg. in the photo I have. It looks like N741PA or N747PA. If N747PA had only 2 upper deck windows, I'm happy to go with that. In the last couple of days, thanks to the people at airliners.net I've identified aircraft I flew on over 11 years ago.
Thanks a lot Pilot21 and everyone else who helped. I wouldn't normally bother, but they were my one and only flights on Pan Am, so I'd like to know what I flew on. I know there's a new Pan Am, but it's not really the same. The original Pan Am must surely be the Airline of the Millenium, they had so many "firsts" and pioneered so many different aspects of aviation. I don't think any other airlines could compete
Lonnie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (13 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2165 times:
serial # 305, 300B4-203, first flight 30-12-84.
G-BIMJ Laker Airways- NTU. F-WZMV Airbus Ind. N209PA . pan american world airways "CLIPPER GUATEMALA" leased 29-03-1985. AIRBUS A300 Leasing returned 05-06-1995. WFU & stored. F-OHPD, Philippine Airlines, leased 01-06-1995.