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New Ansett - Here From 1 Feb 02  
User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Well from today you can book tickets on the New Ansett from the 1st of February 2001.

There are 751 flights a week between MEL (-SYD 16d, -BNE 4d, -PER 4d), SYD (-ADL 3d, -BNE 12d, -PER 4d), ADL (-MEL 5d, -PER 1d), PER & BNE. CBR will be added later. AN II currently flies 478 flights a week.

Travel agents will be included in the loop - perhaps sooner rather than later. A new Global Rewards will be announced in coming days.

Fares aren't anything extraordinary - but fine. MEL-SYD apex is $176 return - 3 day stay or 1 Sat night.



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User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1935 times:

New Ansett sales begin
By IAN ROYALL, aviation reporter

THE Fox-Lew group will start selling tickets for its revamped Ansett airline today.

Melbourne tycoons Lindsay Fox and Solomon Lew are to signal their confidence in their proposed takeover by unveiling further plans today for a full-service Ansett operation starting on February 1.

The new Ansett will offer business and economy seating, business lounges, in-flight meals and valet parking.

Fox-Lew will also launch a new frequent flyer program, with details expected to be announced soon. The future of previous Global Rewards points is being reviewed by the syndicate.

Travel agents are also expected to be brought back into the national booking network, probably even before the Fox-Lew takeover. At present, Ansett Mark II is only selling tickets via the Internet and the reservations centre.

The syndicate has consent from the administrators, Mark Mentha and Mark Korda of Andersen, to sell tickets in the revived Ansett.

The new schedule has been loaded into the reservations computer and passengers can book from this morning.

The first schedule will feature 751 inter-city flights every week on eight routes, linking Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane. Canberra is expected to be added soon after.

Ansett Mark II, a trimmed-down operation run by the administrators, is running 478 flights a week.

The number of flights out of Melbourne will increase. Services to Adelaide will jump from 14 now to 35 and flights to Perth will double to 28. Melbourne to Sydney services will increase to 109 from the current 88.

The timetable is based on Fox-Lew using 16 of the current Ansett Airbuses. New planes will arrive progressively next year and by July, a fleet of 30 new Airbuses will be operating on an extended schedule. Fares are expected to be on a similar level as Ansett Mark II, with some discounted seats on every flight.

The syndicate has been overwhelmed by the response of Ansett staff to join the new operation.

The new airline will require up to 4000 staff, but it is understood that well over 5000 applications have been received.

The make-up of the senior management team is being considered and interviews have begun. Mr Fox and Mr Lew are not expected to take hands-on managerial roles, preferring to remain as investors and possibly board members.

The search for a chief executive is believed to have included candidates from overseas.

Ansett was placed under voluntary administration on September 12 and then cut free from its former parent Air New Zealand.

The $1.1 billion Fox-Lew takeover of the core Ansett business still has to be approved at a creditors' meeting next month.

In the Federal Court yesterday, Justice Alan Goldberg reserved a decision on the terms of the proposed $195 million advance from the Federal Government for the Ansett administrators to help pay for the first round of redundancies.



User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1767 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1914 times:

Beat me to it - I was just about to post all this  Smile

User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1905 times:


Thanks for doing the daily flight numbers for me - I saw your post on the YSSY board =)



User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

Hey guys,

Does anyone know when the marketing campaign will start?



****A new Star is born****

User currently offlineRmm From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

I heard a whisper they may delay the new fleet a few months
and continue to use up to 19 AN A320's. I'm told if they're
prepared to wait a bit longer there's a chance of picking up CFM
powered A320's under similar deal. Makes a bit more sense in
respect to training, tooling, spares etc.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1872 times:


That makes a certain amount of sense. It will be interesting to see how they deal with the fare war.

I love the sound of the CFM's on the current Skystars.



***a new star is born***

(lol I've gotten over the Absolutely habit...)

User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

Just looking at BNE-SYD on proposed timetables

Ansett x 12 = 1728 seats available
V/Blue x 9 = 1350 " "
Qantas x 23 = 4255 " " (767-737)

This gives approx 7333 available seats a day BNE-SYD
with Brisbane having a 1.2 million population, I wonder
what the available seat numbers were before September.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1850 times:


That means AN is provding 23% capacity. Who wants to calculate the others?



User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

It's ok I found the numbers Jan-Mar in "Australian
Aviation", back then:

BNE-SYD ave pax per day = 5970
ave trips " " = 52

Going on this the average load factor evenly
distributed would work out at 81%, interesting
to note trips per day are less at 44.


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1767 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

An 81% load factor is generally good. If I remember the stats. in Australian Aviation, loads in the 70s are the norm for most domestic routes.

My opinion is with Star alliance feed back, travel agents back and quite a few loyal customers back, AN will do VERY well. Perhaps I am being optimistic but I would even hestitate to guess that AN will need to upgrade capacity sooner rather than later on *some* routes such as ADL-SYD, ADL-PER and MEL-BNE. Also where on Earth is Hobart???? Surely not Kendell Saabs??? It's just that with the A320 cargo capacity, AN is doing well currently on its HBA flights.

User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1817 times:


Your memory is good the overall L/F was 70.4 with
52 flights a day, now 44, yep on this route anyway
it should support all 3 carriers.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Hey guys,

I read in the newspaper that Tesna are setting up a cash fund in the short term ensure that all tickets bought will be flyable, even if the airline is closing.

This should provide some comfort to those such as my employer who refused to allow us to fly ANMkII because of the ticket guarantee only covering cost rather than travel.

***yay*** I just told my boss and my next flight to MEL & BNE will be with AN!!


mb ***A New Star Is Born***

User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

Following is a media release issued earlier this afternoon



SYDNEY, 10 December 2001: Qantas today announced a range of initiatives
that will significantly improve service for Australian domestic travellers.
Qantas Executive General Manager Sales and Marketing John Borghetti said
the product developments to be introduced included:

· Extension of Qantas CityFlyer to Brisbane;
· a revamped meal and snack service, designed by Neil Perry;
· new state-of-the-art Boeing 737-800 aircraft;
· reconfiguration of a number of existing 737 aircraft to all Economy Class
seating, specifically for the leisure travel market;
· self-service check-in kiosks; and
· dedicated self-service kiosks for customers with baggage ? a first for

Mr Borghetti said Qantas would extend CityFlyer to Melbourne-Brisbane and
Sydney-Brisbane routes from early February, following the overwhelming
success of the service that was launched in July for flights between
Melbourne and Sydney.

"Business travellers on the Sydney-Melbourne route were quick to support
the service, which offer the highest level of frequencies ever on the
route," Mr Borghetti said.

"Brisbane CityFlyer will also offer a high frequency schedule and a range
of services on the ground to streamline the airport process and get people
in the air and on their way faster."He said Brisbane CityFlyer would feature:

· flights between Brisbane and Sydney every half hour during peak times and
every hour at other times;· hourly flights between Brisbane and Melbourne;
· complimentary newspapers for each customer between 0600 and 0900weekdays;
· dedicated departure gates and baggage carousel;
· dedicated check-in and customer service desk at the departure gates; and
· stand-alone, easy-to-read information screens.

"Sydney-Brisbane and Melbourne-Brisbane are busy corporate travel routes,
and offering services specially designed for the business traveller on
these routes is an important development," Mr Borghetti said.

Mr Borghetti said Qantas had worked closely with award winning chef and
restaurateur, Neil Perry, to develop a new Economy Class Express Meal on
short flights between capital cities from January 2002.

"The change to Express Meals is in response to feedback from our customers,
who consistently tell us that they value complimentary meals and snacks,
but prefer a faster and more convenient style of service on short flights.

"Neil Perry has designed new, high-quality continental breakfasts and
gourmet pastas and salads for dinner, all served in convenient,
contemporary meal boxes rather than on trays. These are in addition to the
gourmet lunch sandwiches introduced earlier this year, which were also
developed by Neil."

Mr Borghetti said the snack service on all domestic flights would also
change, moving to a new basket-style offering, including sandwiches and
snacks such as biscuits, cakes, friands, croissants and muffins.

"We are the only airline operating domestically in Australia to offer
complimentary inflight meals, snacks and a range of beverages on all
services, as well as inflight entertainment," Mr Borghetti said.

"As well as improving the quality of our food service, we are upgrading our
inflight entertainment by installing the highest quality screens available
and increasing the number of screens in the cabins of our new 737-800s
being delivered over the next few months.

"On the ground, customers can expect faster check-in thanks to the
self-service kiosks we are installing from mid-2002. In fact it will take
customers less than a minute to check in and choose or change a seat.

"In a first for Australia, we will also have dedicated self-service kiosks
for customers with baggage. Qantas is one of only a very small number of
airlines in the world to offer this service," Mr Borghetti said.

Mr Borghetti said these were in addition to a number of other domestic
initiatives recently introduced, which included Qantas Flight Update, a
text messaging mobile telephone service that alerts customers of flight

"We will continue to review the Qantas product on the ground, in the air,
and across the extensive Qantas domestic network, to ensure we are meeting
the needs of our customers and maintaining our leading edge."

Issued by Qantas Public Affairs


User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

You look at the QF press release, then you look at Ansett a year ago.

Nothing significant there that AN hasn't done - apart from 738s and self service baggage kiosks.

Is it just me, but was there anyone else out there who thought the notion that Australia cannot sustain three carriers was (and is) a load of crap? Ansett didn't fall because of too small a market - airlines with 74% load factors "ought" to make money.



User currently offlineJsmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

All the gourmet lunch boxes need now is to contain food that is edible and QF have a winning product there!

Perhaps as I offered earlier, QF could colour code the boxes - half red and half ochre so that they can be reused on AA flights (along with the tasty uneaten food that is not eaten by pax on mainline QF flights) - that would be an amazing saving in costs for QF which its management would certainly support.

As usual, QF come out telling everyone what innovators they are in the airline industry with this blurb above. As Skystar says, look at what other airlines, including AN have/had been up to? Hardly market leaders.

User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1754 times:

Jsmith & Skystar,

It's hard to believe that QF are doing these stunts. AN has done these things for years. Having Neil Perry as a chef is old news an I feel that QF are simply trying to get the better of what F/L are trying to acheive.

I could list the innovations and smart service that AN has over QF for ages...

QF can do what they want but the one thing they have never been able to achieve is quality customer service. Lets see what Tesna has up it's sleeve.

F/L have one thing that QF don't have, and thats the AN spirit.

It just shows what a contender in the marketplace can do for all of us.

Good on QF for raising the ball and making services better. Now is time to work on the staff!!



User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

Fox-Lew's Ansett bid details set to be released

Businessmen Lindsay Fox and Solomon Lew will reveal updated plans for the revamped Ansett Mark II this week.

A spokeswoman for the Lew-Fox bid, Katrina Fox said details including proposed schedules, flights numbers and a new frequent-flyer program would be announced soon.

Tickets for the revamped airline went on sale today.

Economy and business class seats on 751 inter-city flights starting from February 1, are available on the internet, but numbers of flights sold were not yet available, Ms Fox said.

Tickets should be available through travel agents before the end of the year.

Administrator Mark Mentha said he was confident a creditors' meeting on January 21 would rubber stamp the Fox-Lew in-principle agreement that the administrators signed last month.

"It's the only bid we have on the table," Mr Mentha said.

He said the bid offered 4,000 jobs, new planes and new opportunities for an Australian airline.

Proposals for a new fleet of A319, 320 and 321 aircraft meant savings would be made in training and servicing.

Both aircraft and fuel had been bought after the September 11 attacks, when prices plummeted, creating an even better financial base to restart the company.

"If you're ever going to get it right, now's the time," Mr Mentha said.

The proposal, which still requires creditors' approval and ratification in the Federal Court, will use 16 existing Ansett Airbuses. New planes will be delivered by July, increasing the fleet to 30 new aircraft operating on an extended schedule.

User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1767 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1708 times:

Any news yet on what happens to ex-GR points holders?

User currently offlineAl From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Re GRFF holders. Fox/Lew have stated that they are working on some sort of plan for the old GR point holders. Interesting to note the terminology "old". I am led to believe they will be starting a new simplified FF scheme. To retain their Star membership, they will need to have such a scheme and will need to provide both earning and redemption capabilities on all Star partners. There is another small problem with that as well. Launceston call centre is the only one of the original AN call centres that will remain open post 01 Feb. None of those staff have ever dealt with GR Intnat'l redemptions before, nor have they ever ticketed the same. There is a lot of work needed to bring GR on line again.

User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1691 times:

ADL was responsible for GR Intl. redemptions right? They had great staff - very patient for what is not the friendliest job (no control over revenue management - but had to put up with the worst of it).

I wish they would hurry up with GR's successor, as I'm taking a trip, and need to know where the points ought to go.



User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1690 times:

The SMH is reporting that AN is probably going to have a livery change (not again!), new uniforms and new branding. While this may be good from a certain perspective to 'relaunch' the brand - I hope they keep the 'A' tail and don't try to cheapen the branding like the Administrators (with that horrid reversal of the tail livery).

The A tail is probably the best out there.
Mr Fox & Mr Lew - you're welcome to make the fuselage a little more interesting, but when you're onto a good thing, stick to it.



User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1678 times:


I certainly hope they kick those steenking vending machines out GW lounges.

Oh the horror!

 Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile



User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1674 times:

Singapore Airlines ready to enter Ansett's cockpit
Tail end ... Ansett's buyers are expected to change its livery. Photo: Nick Moir

By Darren Goodsir, Transport Writer

Singapore Airlines has told Ansett's prospective owners that it is prepared to manage the carrier's operations, but only if it is given autonomy in selecting routes, the frequency of flights and work conditions.

However, despite being keen to anoint the airline as managers of their new service, the Lew-Fox syndicate is reluctant to give up too much control.

A spokesman for Singapore Airlines said yesterday "talks are continuing" on its role as potential managers.

Flying start
TICKETS: Ansett is now selling tickets for travel for 347 days after January 31, the day new owners Solomon Lew and Lindsay Fox are expected to assume control of trunk route operations
ROUTES: Ansett now flies between Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth and Hobart. It intends dropping Hobart from initial services and adding Canberra
FREQUENT FLYERS: Ansett will launch a new frequent flyer program, but questions remain over whether it will recognise any of the 70 billion points that have been lost
SERVICE: In-flight meals and lounge services will be reintroduced


It is understood sticking points are corporate governance arrangements, contractual terms and payment clauses. A detailed network model developed by Singapore Airlines over the past six weeks, but yet to be embraced fully by the Lew-Fox team, also needs to be resolved.

"But the parties are moving closer, rather than being further apart," an industry source said.

"The major issue is how the board proposes to relate to management and what is going to be in the purview of management in terms of decision-making.

"Singapore is putting up some tight conditions on control."

Interest in the Lew-Fox syndicate's decision on who will run Ansett has intensified with the decision on Tuesday to sell seats beyond January 31. On that date, the Federal Government's underwriting of tickets expires and the businessmen expect to assume ownership.

Ansett is saying key appointments, including a chief executive, are imminent.

It is also soon expected to finalise aircraft livery, uniform and branding changes.

Last month, Singapore Airlines employed a former senior Qantas executive, Peter Stainlay, to help the Ansett administrators, Mark Korda and Mark Mentha, in structuring the limited trunk-route operations.

Mr Stainlay is still consulting during the transitional period before settlement.

Tickets for travel until January 2003 went on sale yesterday, with a revised network that excludes flights to Hobart but increases overall frequency by 30 per cent.

Allowing forward bookings means the Lew-Fox syndicate has exposed itself to losses should it pull out of its $3.6 billion deal to buy 29 new aircraft and employ up to 4000 workers.

Issuing tickets is the strongest signal yet that Mr Lew and Mr Fox will conclude their purchase.

Most of the extra flights are for the Sydney-Melbourne-Brisbane triangle where Ansett loads have been patchy because of Qantas's dominance in the business market and Virgin Blue's success in leisure travel.

Despite Ansett's more convenient flight schedule in the new year, a source within the Lew-Fox syndicate believe they must partly resurrect points lost in the Global Rewards program if they are to have any chance of luring back once-loyal customers.

About 70 billion points perished when the airline was grounded in September. That averaged 27,000 points for each of the 2.7 million members.

Although Mr Lew and Mr Fox are not legally obliged to recognise the liability, Ansett's advisers are pushing them to return some of the points.

The cost of reviving the points is enormous and the Lew-Fox team has so far pledged only to start a new frequent flyer scheme.

"These people have been Ansett customers, they are potential Ansett customers under the new ownership and we need to provide a program that creates some value from their existing points," said the source.

Meanwhile, Qantas unions, some still at loggerheads with management over a wage-freeze plan, are promising a fight over moves to outsource key functions for its start-up international carrier, Australian Airlines.

User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1671 times:


Why have they dumped Hobart for Canberra? That is not going to keep customers loyal from Tassie...

How is this going to affect KD?



25 Post contains images Rushed : Those market share percentages for the SYD-BNE route.... Qantas - 58.02% Virgin Blue - 18.41% Ansett Mk II - 23.57% That seems pretty even considering
26 Tullamarine : Bit of gossip I got from a source in MEL today: - SQ are not definites in management yet. Apparently a US airline is also being considered. US airline
27 Wirraway : Mx5 Maybe Kedall will takeover the Hobart flights, but would the pax from there accept a turboprop Saab 340? Wirraway
28 Wirraway : Brett Godfrey was hinting at Pacific flights in Perth, what would this mean?, NZ, Fiji, Cook Is, or what?, I surppose he would have access to the inte
29 Post contains images Skystar : I would imagine that CBR has got higher yield pax than Hobart. As for the vending machines at Golden Wing - send them off to Virgin (hey, they can sel
30 Aussie_ : I'm amazed they are leaving HBA out because at present, the A320s are the only pax planes serving the airport with any half decent cargo capacity and
31 Skystar : On Saturday Ansett will be launching a new website, and Business Class will be able to be booked from then on. Business Class will now be referred to
33 AN727 : Does anyone know about Goldern Wing Membership? I have lifetime membership which I got when I was 20yo (now I am 25yo). Do you think that my membershi
34 Wirraway : AN727 Good question, I also have a GW lifetime membership since 1981, if they don't honor these at least, they would be in real trouble, I think we wi
35 AN727 : Silly me was thinking that at 20yo I would use for 40 to 50 years. Never dreamt that Ansett would end up this way
36 Mx5_boy : Justin, Thanks for the information. You've just put a dirty big grin on my face!!! **yay** Guys, Hopefully Diners will do a deal with new AN. As I use
37 Al : Don't think you'll have much trouble with the Golden Wing Clubs - apart from being a "must have" for Star membership, it's a relatively easy low-cost
38 Skystar : If Diners is giving 1 QF point per dollar, 1.5 AN points per dollar (provided it is KM based) should be no great problem. Agreed about GR as well - I'
39 Wirraway : Posted: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:40 AEDT Lang renews offer to buy Ansett assets Transport company, Lang Corporation, has resubmitted its offer to buy a ran
40 Wirraway : WELLINGTON (Dow Jones)--Qantas Airways Chief Executive Geoff Dixon will meet New Zealand Finance Minister Michael Cullen in Wellington Wednesday as sp
41 Wirraway : Lew, Fox bid 'strong' By JANE WILLIAMS 14dec01 THE sale agreement between Ansett and Melbourne's Lew-Fox syndicate was as strong as ever, administrato
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