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ATA, AirTran, American Trans Air? What?  
User currently offlineKdca4life From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 55 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

Ok, what is the difference between AirTran Airways and American Trans Air? I know there is one, but I can't for the life of me figure which is which, and who flies what where. I know AirTran has a base here at BWI (I think?). But other than that, can't tell the diff.

Which one goes by "ATA?" And, which owns the trademark "Valuejet?" I remember one of them had an a/c make an emergency landing on some island in the atlantic. I also know that one of them flys a boatload of 717's as well.

Whenever one mentions ATA, AirTran, American Trans Air, etc. I have no clue what they are talking about. LoL. Am I the only one unable to keep these guys straight?

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User currently offlineMeechy36 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

AirTran is the former Valuejet who fly the B717's, DC-9's. I think the 737's are gone now but not sure.

American Trans Air is ATA, a scheduled/charter operator which flies L-1011's, 757-200/300 and 737-800s

The carrier that put the A330 down in the Azores was Air Transat, at least I think that is the name, they are a Canadian operator.

Cheers, Mike


User currently offlinePhlflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

I believe Air Tran is based in ATL where as ATA or American Trans Air is based in IND?

User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

ATA = American Trans Air. Newest plane is the 737-800 with winglets!  Wink/being sarcastic They are a little larger than Air Tran, also known as the former Valujet. Their callsign is/was Critter. Air Tran's newest jet is the 717. Currently they have the largest fleet of them. Air Tran has a simple scheme on their fleet, while ATA has a more colorful scheme, with palm trees painted on the tails, making it one of the more easily recognizable carriers there is. Hope this helps. Regards.


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User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Meechy36, you are right. The airline which had the fuel problem, and made the landing withowt the engines running at Azores, portugal, was Air Transa, which is a canadian operator.
AirTran was formed after Valujet ceased operations, in great measure, due to a crash of one of it's dc9's in the Everglades, after takeoff from miami, if i remember correctly.
American Trans Air is a charter airline, which also used to have regular services, one that I can remember now is New York-Belfast-Riga (Latvia), which was mainly operated because the owner was a son of two Latvian inmigrants.

hope this helps,

jj


User currently offlineILuvYak40 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

Jj -

American Trans Air is NOT an all-charter airline. They have scheduled service from their hubs in IND and MDW.


User currently offlineKdca4life From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

I'd like to meet the person that thought this up... lol  Yeah sure

So,

ATA is American Trans Air, which is a charter operation? Anyone know if it's part 135 or 121?

AirTran is the former ValuJet/Critter... I'm guessing they're a 121 op.

And AirTransat had the issue with the emergency landing in Azores.

Interesting... I'll have to digest this. Thx for the clearup though.


User currently offlineAmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Actually, there were Valujet and AirTran. Valujet was based (headquartered) in ATL. AirTran was based (Headquarter) in Orlando. After the Valujet crash, and Valujet was trying to get back on their feet but they were having imagine problem. So Valujet brought out AirTran (who was having fiancial problem at that time and flying mostly 737s I think). After buying out AirTrans, it was decided to be AirTran and retired the "Valujet" brand name. Also, they moved headquarter to Orlando but keep the hub in Atlanta.

After the merge (or buy out), they retired the 737s.

Dave


User currently offlineTwa902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3121 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

ok this might help....

ATA= American Trans Air
Chicago-Midway, Illinois
Indianapolis Indiana
http://www.ata.com
737-800
757-200
757-300
L-1011

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AirTran
Atlanta, Georgia
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717-200
DC-9-30
737-200(i think they still have it)

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AirTransat
Toronto, Ontario
http://www.airtransat.com
A330
L-1011
A310

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hope that helps you to see the difference

twa902 chicago





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User currently offlineMeechy36 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

All are part 121 carriers.

Cheers,
Mike-BOS


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2758 times:
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And all of them have horrible names that confuse people.

User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5489 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

ATA (American Trans Air) -


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Old color 727, which is still flying (how many are left? I saw 2 here at MCO a week ago)

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AirTran -

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Used to be Valujet

Air Transat -

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Yeah it is confusing, I don't blame ya.  Big grin

Justin


User currently offlineExnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

While we're still confusing matters, let's throw in ATA's radio callsign (and the name of its corporate parent) - AmTran

User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2725 times:


American Trans Air or ATA started out as a charter carrier in 1973. They are headquartered in Indianapolis and have their major hub at Chicago-Midway. Their fleet includes 737-800's, 757-200/300, L1011, and a few remaining 727's (about 3-4 left but they'll be gone soon.) They fly a mix of charters and scheduled ops...about 55% sked, 45% charter. Most of the sked ops. are flown out of MDW to major US destinations and they will be adding destinations in Mexico and the Carribean in 2002. They also fly sked and charters for Pleasant Hawaii Vacations to (you guessed it) Hawaii. They are the 11th largest US airline and obtained major airline status (revenues upward of $1 billion a year) in the year 2000. Their radio callsign is AmTran.

AirTran originally started out as a low-fare carrier based in Orlando using 737-200's. ValuJet began as a low-fare airline based in ATL flying DC-9's. After the crash of Flight 592 and the subsequent FAA grounding, ValuJet had a serious image problem. They merged with AirTran and meshed both airline's operations. They are headquartered in Orlando although they retained the VJ hub in ATL. They also have "focus cities" in PIT and BWI. They fly 717-200's and DC-9-32's. The last of the 737-200s inherited from the original AirTran were retired shortly after 9/11. Their radio callsign is Citrus.

AirTransat (a shortened version of Air TransAtlantic) is a Canadian charter operator although they have scheduled service as well. They have a fleet consisting of 757's, L1011's, A330's and A310's. I'm not too familiar with much of their operation. They did have that incident with the A330 running out of fuel over the Atlantic and making a deadstick landing in the Azores.

Hope that helps!



User currently offlineGoAllegheny From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

There was a story in today's Indianapolis Star that ATA is going to start flying some of the grounded 727s soon in the charter division.

User currently offlineFly_ATA From United States of America, joined May 2001, 616 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

ATA will dedicate 10 727's to the large Funjet contract that they just signed ( Sun Country flying ).

User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 2671 times:

CactusA319

You had the most accurate, (factually and historically), as well as clearest explanation yet.

However, the true confusion for passengers occurs in cities where four ticket counters right in a row belong to (such as in MSP):

American Airlines, Amcerica West Airlines, American Trans Air, and AirTran Airways.

It's quite a hoot to stand back and watch the shuffling of passengers.

Travis


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 2666 times:

Oh...and I almost forgot about FLL where AirTran and AirTransat have ticket counters and gates right next to one another.

hehehehe

Travis


User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 2670 times:

Actually, Air Transat is headquartered in Quebec. They are a very québecois company with deep ties to the PQ government, which is why I don't like that. However, they certainly do have mor flights out of YYZ, because that's where all the money is!


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