QANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1861 posts, RR: 2 Posted (12 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1165 times:
I've seen the pictures on this website of pretty huge planes going in and out of MAN, like 744's, 777's, and others. I don't know anything about MAN, but I'd like to know why MAN is such a busy airport and is there that much of a market for that particular place?
My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7264 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1057 times:
MAN currently has around 18.5 million passengers a year, almost evenly split between scheduled services and charter services.
There are roughly 33 million people and 60% of manufacturer within 2 hours drive of MAN, and there is a railway station at the airport offering a wide range of destinations. By 2005, the Manchester tram system should be connected to the airport.
There is a stated aim of getting to be Britain's 2nd biggest airport by 2015 with around 40 million passengers, and the introduction of the 2nd runway in February 2001 eased runway capacity constraints: there were typically around 45 to 47 movements an hour on a runway designed for 45 per hour. We can now handle up to 65 per hour easily and long-term are aiming for 75 per hour.
There are 3 terminals:
T1 is tending to be the Star Alliance terminal
T2 was originally designed to be the long-haul terminal along with Air 2000 and Britannia but now has a fair number of European airlines (e.g Ryanair, Crossair, Air France) serving it.
T3 is the British Airways terminal and was originally called T1BA. As one might guess, anything and everything to do with BA operates from here (except the Aer Lingus flights!)
Both T2 and T3 are built to only half the planned capacity but the MAN board has delayed expansion plans for a couple of years or so after the effects of September 11th.
Most scheduled airlines tend to have no problem in filling aircraft (e.g. Continental & Delta around 90% loads, Malaysian 75%, bmi's long-haul around 70%, Air Mauritius in July/Aug 80%, Air Canada 86%) but appear to have difficulty attracting the "right" kind of customer.
One of the biggest hindrances for MAN is the LHR/LGW shuttle services where a certain airline seems to prefer sending people down to London rather than actually fly them from MAN instead!
There have been a few long-haul airlines announce their intention to withdraw their services over the past couple of months i.e Malaysian, Air Mauritius and Air Canada, but word on the street is the Malaysian may well be staying but instead of 747s on the route, they'll operate 777s.
Demoose From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 25 Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1009 times:
Just to add to David's info, Manchester also has a dedicated cargo terminal, with airlines including Dragonair and Cargolux flying even more 747's into MAN. PIA also use Manchester as a stop off for their transatlantic operations from Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore to New York and Toronto. British Airways' only long haul route outside of London also flies between Manchester and New York daily using a 767-300. Emirates are also a key user of Manchester operating A330's and sometimes 777's, with their daily Dubai service looking as if it will go double daily next year.
JFK 232737 5.32%
EWR 181427 14.04%
MCO 177351 23.34%
YYZ 170519 126.71%
DXB 169010 29.83%
SIN 140493 9.10%
ORD 130909 6.00%
HKG 87394 11.44%
PHL 77216 !DIV/0!
KUL 75698 140.75%
KHI 63056 5.71%
ISB 61930 -32.89%
YVR 54221 #DIV/0!
LHE 41224 18.76%
MRU 14295 8.64%
LXR 8068 272.14%
CAI 2829 -12.82%
Or take a hike to http://fly.to/northwest-spotters for infomation. And before anyone says anything, updates will happen once I get a spot of serious free time and not the odd little hour or two that I seem to be getting at the moment!
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7264 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 910 times:
The weekly Egyptair CAI/LXR run should have a few 777s from next year (probably down to the Hadj flights - speaking of which Egyptair will operate Hadj specials as well as Yemenia and Royal Jordanian).
Long-term long-haul aims:
JNB - South African? Though it's more likely to be bmi (2 weekly)
MIA/LAX/JFK/DFW all by AA (all daily)
ORD extra daily by AA
BOM/DEL by Air India or Indian Airlines (at least 3 weekly - bilateral needs to be torn up)
BAH by Gulf Air (2 or 3 weekly)
BGI/POS by BWIA International (2 weekly)
CVG by Delta (daily)
YYZ by bmi (5 weekly to daily)
Can't envisage either BA or Virgin bothering with MAN except through codeshares!
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7264 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 915 times:
Haven't been to MAN for a long while, so of the top of my head:
BA, BACitiExpress, Loganair, Manx Airlines, bmi, bmi regional, Eastern Airways, Aurigny, KLMuk, Monarch and Air 2000.
Air France, Luxair, Aer Lingus, Ryanair, SAS, VLM, City Airlines, Lufthansa, CSA, Malev, Finnair, DAT, Cyprus Airways, Air Malta, Kibris Turkish, Turkish Airlines, Olympic, Iberia, Crossair, Sun Air of Denmark, Skyways Sweden, Portugalia, Austrian, Delta, American, USAirways, Malaysian (until Feb), Air Mauritius (until Jan), Singapore Airlines, Turkmenistan Airlines, PIA, Egytair. (Air Canada to restart in April)
Britannia, Monarch, Air 2000, European Air Charter, Airtours, JMC, Excel Airways, Helios, LTE, Air Europa, Futura, Iberworld, Spanair, Air Malta, Eurocypria, American Trans Air.
Demoose From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 25 Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 870 times:
From what I know,
Terminal 2 tends to be relatively quiet in the evenings, carriers that have flights then will be Ryanair, Air France, Air 2000, Britannia and possibly PIA in the early evening. Best time to go is in the mornings when you get all the long haul carriers, but if your limited to the evenings, I'd say from around 4pm onwards in my personal opinion.
Hope this helps,
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 37 Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 863 times:
Well, i am there in the morning too, but i want a timed exposure from the T1 car park in the evening, of course i can go in the morning, but i'd rather just take photographs from my hotel room and the vewing gallery at the Radisson SAS.
HUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1397 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 803 times:
fantastic to hear about JM at MAN.
Gulf Air, difficult one, firstly, GF are not allowed to fly to Bahrain from Manchester, not sure of the reason why, but, thats why they had to fly to Abu Dhabi the first time they tried MAN. Secondly, the service would not be daily, it would possibly start at 2 or 3 times a week, via say CDG, FRA or MXP, and in time, should it prove popular, maybe become non-stop.
ANA could start a non-stop Tokyo service, and codeshare with BD, both being star alliance partners. 2 times weekly with a 772ER, rising to 3 times weekly, possible upgrade to 744.
Billy From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 792 times:
All of this Japanese talk is pretty speculative. The numbers for MAN-Japan would not sustain a service, and the market to Japan is dead at the moment (no BA in KIX, LHR-NGO gone this winter, no ANA on KIX-LHR).
Annual MAN-Japan figures are around 20,000 per annum - make that work with 2 777s per week (and the Japanese refuse to use 2 engined aircraft over Russia).
Please be a little more realistic rather than just talking about spotting pipe dreams.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7264 posts, RR: 14 Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 789 times:
So Billy, the market for MAN-Japan's not big enough for a 2 weekly 777 service but somehow or other we can have 8 flights a day between LHR and the Tokyo airports. Methinks you are talking from where the sun don't shine.
Which year's interpretion of the market are you talking about? I guess you've never heard of the principle that a new service will actually generate business so we'd have that 20,000 PLUS those who transfer at AMS, CDG, FRA, etc PLUS any new business.
When Malaysian started here in MAN, it did impact on the LHR figures for the first 3 or 4 months; subsequently, both LHR did rise and, hence, the total market rose. All we need is airlines to remove their rose-coloured spectacles and instead of adding flights ad nauseum to LHR do it to the regions so that the whole country benefits.
Lastly, one suspects Billy is a BA "bean-counter" who doesn't want anyone to fly long-haul from the regions as it would be more lucrative for them to shuttle people southwards rather than serve the local markets.
HUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1397 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 786 times:
totally David, he's talkin outta his cake hole! Manchester-Japan has been on the cards for years, and its about time it was given a go. In fact, i now think a more frequent service than twice a week, say 8 times a day might be better!!
And whats this about twins over russia, never knew that. What routing, in that case, does the AF 772 to HKG, PEK and SEL take, also the CZ 772 AMS-PEK, and not to mention CA 762 ARN-PEK and SVO-PEK?????
Kirstey From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 110 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 761 times:
MAN will always be the UKs 3rd Airport. What it lacks is closeness to the business centres (ie London and the South East). Manufacturing is good for cargo, but not for passengers. LGW and LHR are close to most of the UKs tertiary/quaternary industry. Which is where the money is.
Demoose From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 25 Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 760 times:
OK, manufacturing is good for cargo but not for passengers. For a start, the north of england is not some industrial heartland anymore, its full of tertiary industries now, and with that comes people! Manchester has a huge catchment area, covering Scotland,Wales, and the north of England to the Midlands. Theres no reason as to why Manchester cannot become the UK's second airport, a northern hub. Its got two runways and room to expand, which will become very attractive to businesses and airlines in the future. Manchester is becoming an international city, attracting investment from all over the world. The Commonwealth games will increase Manchester's image as a world city and show that their is life north of Birmingham!
Manchester Airport has alot going for it, don't write it off yet!