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Air Canada To Start Service To MAD And AMS  
User currently offlineChrisa330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 632 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

http://micro.newswire.ca/13213-0.html

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User currently offlineFlying lsd From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

why not to brussels ?

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6475 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

Flying Isd,
(Why not Brussels) Why not Budapest or Talim?


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

So they are going to try AMS again ah?? Best of Luck


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineChrisa330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

AMS is only summer service, while MAD is year round. They mention that both markets are underserved due to the demise of C3K. We will see...

User currently offlineRootsgirl From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

Is Air Canada going to offer the same "charter fares" as Canada 3000? I doubt it!

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

Same Air Canada bullshit..

Mark


User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

It is unlikely that Air Canada will offer charter fares on a scheduled service. Canada 3000's service was a charter service booked through tour operators at the tour operator's fares. Air Canada's service is a scheduled service at the scheduled fare level.

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Air Canada has not have sucess on routes that dont feature a hub on the other hand, other than Italy flights.

AC had cut YYZ-CPH, claimed YYZ-MAN as low-yield, YYZ-AMS the same...

They wont survive.

Mark


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

And, back to the first point, why not BRU? The SN YUL-BRU service was a successful one for SN, rumour has it that they actually made money conncecting those 2 French speaking capitals. BRU has a lack of transatlantic service at the moment and AC would have no competition between BRU and Canada (something that they usually like)........the AMS market is already crowded and dominated by KLM.

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

YUL-BRU is also a bigger market than YYZ-MAD..but hey, AC wants to make a profit!?

Mark


User currently offlineBush From Canada, joined May 1999, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

What do these people do? Lounge around the mahogany boardroom, announce quaterly losses, laugh, have a drink and pass around a bong, and decide to re-launch service to obscure, money losing markets? After the tough decisions are out of the way, do they dial up Airbus and order a couple dozen pizza- i mean, aircraft? Once the entire board is completely baked, thats when they decide to start up a couple discount airlines just for shits and giggles.

-Bush


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

Sure looks like that Bush!

mark


User currently offlinePlaneawesome From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Maybe it's the senior execs closing their eyes and shooting darts at a map of the world (after the bong of course).

What next, Kabul ?


User currently offlineTripple7 From Netherlands, joined Aug 1999, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

It is great to see AC come back to AMS. AMS has been loosing some intercontinental carriers over the past few years. I hope the route will work now. Too bad that it is only going to be a summer service to AMS. But maybe they can be more succesful in this market now that Canada3000 doesn't exist anymore. I am not sure but I think Martinair pulled out of the Amsterdam - Toronto route last year or 2 years ago (not sure though). But it will be very hard to compete with KLM's dominance on the Amsterdam - Toronto route.

Best of luck to AC anyway.

tripple7


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16281 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

YYZ-AMS makes sense with the C3 demise. YYZ-MAD is a little more curious. C3 did not fly to MAD (to my knowledge).

For the record, Montreal is not a French-speaking capital.


Neil/Toronto




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

C3 did in fact serve Madrid, but not year round. Summer loads were quite strong to my knowledge, but I don't think it would do so well in the winter time. Malaga was a good money maker for C3 in the winter though. The route was served by the Royal A310's which were quite appropriate for that route.

However, it seems to me like more of a charter airline market, rather than something Air Canada would serve. Unless of course, they are using the A319???  Big grin hehehe, j/k of course.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineCap'n Dan From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

KLM seems to make enough money on AMS-YYZ (and AMS-YUL for that matter) to keep the route going, so that begs the question "why can't AC?" Presuming they can't, I don't think it's a question of the route, but rather AC's general incompetance. If they can't make money with a near monopoly in Canada, then I doubt they'd be able to do it elsewhere. Btw, YUL, wasn't YYZ-CPH a bit of a hub flight w/the SAS presence at CPH?
Also, anyone remember good 'ole YOW-AMS on a KLM 747....those were the days...


User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

The answer why AC can't make money on AMS-YYZ all year around is simple. None of the Canadian airlines have ever managed to get the high yield business traveller (they always opted for KLM). Thus the Canadain airlines are stuck with the low yield tourists and they don't travel very much after September.

Regards
Laurens


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Air Canada cannot sustain a daily Toronto Rome flight in the winter (4 weekly now), and they are supposed to make YYZ-MAD work? Its an excellent charter route, and I would urge TS to grab it, but AC would be served using their planes else where..

Mark


User currently offlineSAS767 From Denmark, joined Dec 1999, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

Cap'n Dan - I will also call the YYZ-CPH service for a hub flight. CPH is the main hub for SAS and as both AC and SK are members of the Star Alliance the YYZ-CPH route was a connection from one Star hub to another.

Btw - AC plans to restart the YYZ-CPH route from April 2002 starting with five weekly 767-200 flights and going up to daily from the end of May.

Rgds
SAS767
Copenhagen, Denmark










User currently offlineFlying lsd From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Bobnwa,
living in USA, you must know that there are others country that yours.
I love USA, for vacations : 22 times just for fun not for work.
For you where is Budapest or Tallinn and not Talin!
Brussels is the political capital of EU just like your DC.
Air Canada flew to Brussels in 1996, close the route and then SN launched the daily flight to Montreal.

Then your remark is just STUPID
and not cool for the belgian, so sad after the shutdown of SN!


User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

The Ams-Yyz route was successful over the summer, and when it is re-instated, it will be successful again.

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