D-AIFB From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 121 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1914 times:
LH is currently updating the different CRS and their Infoflyway (www.lufthansa.de, timetable section) with the first version of the new summer timetable 2002. Actually it´s no real surprise, they cut slightly capacity in different markets (USA, GRU, SIN) and add some flights to other destinations (NRT, HKG, PVG).
The shorthaul schedule has also been updated. But LH usually makes another major adjustment in January or February each year for the summer schedule. So it´s too early to say sth. about this topic.
Here are some changes (only on longhaul flights) i noticed. Of course, there´s no official statement yet. Expect some more changes within the next months, depending on the improvement or not-improvement of the pre-booking situation. But the following longhaul network should be the framework for next summer.
LH LONGHAUL FLIGHTS SUMMER 2002
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no longhaul service anymore; as expected the 6 weekly A343 IAD flights won´t resume in summer.
no longhaul service anymore; daily A343 EWR serivce won´t resume; that´s probably the main reason, why UA moved their ORD flight to IAD, in order to keep at least one flight to the east coast. Perhaps they´ll get another LH-flight, but i highly doubt this.
slightly reduced capacity, probably no 744 anymore next summer, EWR service will move to JFK, LAX will move to FRA again, new PVG and NRT service, no signs of BOS and MIA so far, GRU and SIN remain suspended
JFK 343 15:20 daily (last summer to EWR)
ORD 343 11:15 daily
SFO 343 15:30 daily (last summer 744)
HKG 343 20:50 daily (last summer only 3 weekly)
PVG 343 20:50 daily ex Mo,Th *NEW*starts March 15th
NRT 343 15:30 daily ex We *New*starts April 18th
TLV 343 15:05 3 weekly
(JNB 343 20:40 3werkly only until mid April, expected resume in fall)
LAX moved as 2nd daily to FRA again
GRU suspended (3 weekly)
SIN suspended (3 weekly)
MIA? - i still hope for it
BOS? - i don´t expect it this summer, my bet is on 2003
AC will return in April with a daily service YYZ. UA will upgrade its IAD run with B777.
By the way, the new 343 MUC-JNB service is a bestseller for LH. In only 2 weeks (!) Lufthansa was able to sell the three weekly flights for 2 months! Therefore additional three weekly flights will be added as of this weekend until end of March, so MUC-JNB will be served six times a week.
A reason for the LAX flight moving back to FRA, might be slot securing there in order to prevent other airlines from grabbing unused slots in FRA, as LH has cancelled some flights throughout the day. I expect the LAX service to be back in MUC in 2003 (then perhaps as an additional third daily A343 service).
MUC could be happy with the above schedule. I guess the next major expansion phase (to both, longhaul and shorthaul destinations) will take place in spring 2003, when the new Star Alliance Terminal 2 will open.
LH will slightly cut (longhaul)capacity next summer:
TXL and, as it looks like at the moment, also DUS will be without LH-longhaul service next year.
MUC will get 42 weekly 343-only longhauls (TLV included), compared with 40 last summer (but with 14 744). In available longhaul seats, MUC will be down about 10-12%. If MUC would receive another daily 343 service (perhaps the long awaited MIA flight), we would be back to last summers capacity.
FRA will also lose some capacity mainly due to the retirement of 8 B742 (about 6-8% decrease in longhaul seats).
Please note, the above information is subject to change, of course. And it is not based on an official statment of LH. Please don´t claim this to be a complete list, i might have forgotten some (longhaul)destinations. As we all know LH very well, some more changes during the coming months are very likely - still more than three months to go til the new summer schedule starts.
CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4434 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1622 times:
It is nice to see that us EWR based individuals will be able to see a LH 747-400. Although I am not an Airbus fan, I kinda liked it when LH's 2 A340-300s and 1 747-200 were all on the ground together here in EWR.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
D-AIFB From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 121 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1515 times:
Thanks a lot!
It´s a pleasure for me to provide you with some informations on LH.
Yes, transatlantic flights ex TXL failed again. Therefore i don´t see another chance for Berlin-USA flights in the coming years. First of all, DUS should see at least one more service again, when demand is back to normal and growing again, probably in one / one and a half year from now. Perhaps STR (see rumours about UA being interested in STR) or HAM can attract another airline for the US market?
Ewrffvs From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 69 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1507 times:
Very nice job indeed DAIFB! Appreciate all the good info.
I used to work for LH at EWR, so I feel a tinge of sadness knowing that the MUC and DUS birds are no more to be had there. Shame really, because EWR really is a more convenient airport for many in the NY metro area, especially now with the Airtrain link up and running.
B737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1489 times:
D-AIFB could you please tell me where you have heard the rumours about STR and United ?
That would be so cool to have UA here but I doubt it with their current financiel situation.
I was always hoping for a CO 757 or 762 but we'll see. Delta is doing good here.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31724 posts, RR: 72 Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1426 times:
Thanks for the info D-AIFB. Still hoping for MIA-MUC. I think one reason nothing is known yet is because they still might be waiting to hear Lauda/Austrians decision on the MIA-MUC situation. Loads on MIA-FRA have been good. Tomorrow's flight from FRA is sold out in 1st and Biz (some Y still left).
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1414 times:
well, if there´s currently no market for TXL-usa then, imho, i don´t see where there could be a chance for STR- or HAM-usa services, except for charter flights.
that´s rather strange regarding the MUC-LAX service.
to my knowledge, this service was very succesful and really seems strange why they´re re-allocating it to FRA again. the slot securing thing sounds very likely, though.
afaik, LH is the only airline operating direct flights between LAX and FRA, is this correct?
so maybe with just one daily FRA-LAX was underserved?
i´ve always been waiting for UA to commence a LAX-FRA service, together with LH providing two dailies to FRA and one daily to MUC. seems like i´ve got wait a little long for that to happen...
additionally, it seems odd that the MUC-SIN is not working. given the fact the SIN is SQ´s hub and serves as transit point for many points beyond SIN i´m curious why this service is being dropped.
and then, i do understand that there are destinations such as JNB to which demand is higher in winter time(northern winter), however, if LH serves MUC-JNB almost daily this winter it seems odd to me there´s no service in summer.
i know they must re-allocate some aircraft which were withdrawn from some US-services and putting them on the JNB run seems the right thing, but if it´s so popular why don´t they sustain it in summer (of course, if aircraft are available)?
yes, LH will receive two additional 747-400s, one this December and the next one in March, or both in December, i´m not sure.
If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23 Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1409 times:
I see in your post that you mention that the daily SEL flight is operated by a 747-400. It used to be a A340-300. Did they recently change equipment on this route, or is the equipment still a A340-300 and will the 747-400 only start flying this route from next summer?
B737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1406 times:
Daniel, I also can't really imagine another US airline to come to STR especially not at this time.
But I don't think you can compare TXL with STR.
The Delta flight is doing pretty good as I said before and when DL had it's second daily until last year on the JFK run it was also around 75 % which was ok.
This should prove that there's demand to the US out of STR.
Service out of TXL has never really worked out during the last couple of years. So that's another story in my opinion. Don't know about HAM though.
HUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1397 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1367 times:
i suspect that the Berlin flights have not worked because the wrong airline, equipment and destination has been chosen. I appreciate the political relevance of a link with IAD, but, the A340 is too big. Surely a CO 762 to EWR or a UA 762 to ORD would be more appropriate.
Sdate747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 272 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1354 times:
That's one less A340 serving IAD
I think the only A340 left now is Air France
Sabena operates a 767, Austrian operates a 330 so does BMI. Spanair has an A330 also? Also, no US Airways international flights. And Northwest and US, the only other domestic carriers out of IAD operate McDonell Douglas and Boeing aircrafts.
IAD needs more Airbus!
SailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1335 times:
Having a short look at the above schedule, I'd think it is highly unlikly that anymore longhaul flights are being added.
For the above schedule, LH needs more or less every longhaul plane they have in the fleet except maybe one A342. All the other planes will have air times of at least 16 hours a day, otherwise they LH couldnt fly that schedule with the relatively small number of planes. So I also dont expect a major increase in longhaul flights unless the A346 arrives or LH decided to put the B742s back into service. The problem with TXL and DUS flights is also a logistical one. The planes flew MUC-EWR-DUS-EWR-MUC and FRA-IAD-TXL-IAD-FRA since neither DUS or TXL had A340s based. However, if you have a techincal problem with one of those planes, your entire schedule may get mixed up for 2, maybe even days. No airline is happy with that.
If UA for example would fly IAD-TXL, they would not only be able to start with a smaller plane (B762), they also would operate out of a hub airport reducing the routing Problem mentioned above.
B737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1328 times:
If UA, CO, DL flew one of the route it'd also be better because they only have 2 classes.
I don't know how well first was booked out of TXL but I assume it wasn't to full, was it ? Anyone knows about that one ?
But 2 classes should work out better on flights to destinations that aren't any kind of hub.
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1311 times:
SailorOrion has a very good point about the aircraft schedulung (re TXL, DUS).
although it might be unlikely, i personally would not suppose that LH is not able to introduce additional longhaul flights.
it is right that LH is poised not have any 747-200s in service next summer, however, with two new 747-400s delivered soon (probably operating some routes formerly served by 742s) and with quite some A340s (LH has currently 33 A340-200/300s and five more to come) i´d say the might have the capacity to introduce new flights (perhaps MUC-BOS or MUC-MIA which was speculated by fellow board members).
well, even last summer LH had one and for some time even two A340s grounded due to lack of cockpit crews so i´d suggest they have sufficient aircraft capacity.
but who knows.
personally i´d be surprised if the next summer schedule would be increased even more massively.
the only thing i´d wish would be LH going for an additional, but smaller longhaul type, f.e. the A330-200? which was already rumoured.
like many of you have pointed out the A340 seems to be too big for the introduction of some routes (f.e. ex TXL).
If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.