UAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2134 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 hours ago) and read 8631 times:
LOL I would, except that I'm laid off and no longer privy to any of that information. UA took all of 3 whole days to wipe away all my computer sign ons, etc. They won't even let us check load factors online for the three months that we retain flight bennies. But that's ok. I've still been flying somewhere every two to three days. Might as well milk it for all it's worth now since I'm not going back anytime soon by the looks of it.
61Heavy From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 62 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 hours ago) and read 8579 times:
I'm just curious - when YOU fly (since you fly every 2-3 days) how much are your pilots worth? Obviously, I could also ask how much you think the mechanics and flight attendants and engineers and CSRs are worth, but since this is a thread on pilot pay, we'll stick to that.
Seriously, I'm not beign sarcastic. You stated pilots get paid too much. I'd just like to hear how much YOU think - dollar figures, please - the Captain and the First Officer on your last flight SHOULD have been paid.
Oh, and since you don't know exactly how much the pilots at UAL make I'm also curious how you formed your opinion that they're overpaid.
N1641 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 220 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 hours ago) and read 8575 times:
i guy I knew told me this.. it was few months ago so i dont remember exactly but i think his big dilemna was that he was currently making like $60 an hour to be a MD-11 reserve pilot for Fed Ex but he had an offer to go full time for some airline flying passenger A320's but hed take a pay cut down to like $40 or something, then theres me being payed dirt in the retail market going oooohh only $40/hour, but I guess full time pilots might only fly like 40 hours a month though huh? he ended up being Delta 767 right seat, not sure of the pay and last I heard being layed off and pissed;(
CV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 951 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 hours ago) and read 8560 times:
Yes, pay per hour is very high, over $200 for a senior wide body Captain, but only counts towards hours in the air, no pay for being at work and stuck on the ground or other duties. Most airline pilots fly between 70-85 hours a month, by law limited to 100, usually at work for a lot longer then that though. I usually do 220-250 hours per month of "on duty" time. The record for me is just over 300 hours.
FlyDLjets From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 27 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 hours ago) and read 8552 times:
To help all you guys put this in perspective I am a junior Beech 1900 first officer and I barely pull out 19,000 a year flying MAXIMUM OVERTIME!!!! Not all pilots are rich. Im still looking at a couple of years until I am eligible for ATP. I fly 6 days a week at all times of the night/day in shitty weather. And I love it!!! So those airline captains who fly twice a month and do pull down 200k per year, are either 59 1/2 years old or chief pilots. NWA only lets captains be senior on the 747-400 for up to 2 years. Then they have to surrender it. So even once you reach the top, there is always a step down waiting for you. I know many Captains who retired on the MD-88 or 727.
FlightSimFreak From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 720 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 hour ago) and read 8521 times:
I'm not able to verify this number, but I've been told that BA 747 captains make .5 mill a year... Also, in one of my school's carrer websites, it said that the 3rd highest paying job in America was "Airline Pilot".
N1641 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 220 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (12 years ago) and read 8506 times:
there was a thing on the local news within the last year about starting pay for pilots at Horizon airlines being like 17k a year or something, at the time Horizon only flew Fokker 28's and a smaller Dash 8
N400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8479 times:
While Horizon pilots DID make pretty low wages as recently as a year ago (not THAT low, but low), they recently ratified a contract that boosted that a bit. Not sure what they make now, but the contract passed so it probably isn't too bad.
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3641 posts, RR: 29 Reply 20, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8456 times:
I was going to steer clear of this topic, but I cannot resist the temptation to reply to a complete misconception the world has with pilots.
I won't be shy and tell you exacly how much I make... I make $20.35/hr... ooooh!! everyone says. Well, let's clarify. I don't get paid 160 hours a month, like most full time jobs. I get paid our guarentee rate of 75 hours a MONTH. This is what I live off of, because of the events of 9/11 and the downturn in the industry, I'm still on reserve. This means I fly when someone calls in sick, a trip didn't get covered in the bidding period or a crew member is about to time out. I physically fly about 15-20 hours a month. But I am away from base for up to 5 days at a time. Sitting, waiting, resting. So, my paycheck Friday was $530.35. WOW!! A whole $530... x 2 that's a whole $1060!! Net pay. Now, that's making waaaaay tooo much money. I'm so overpaid it's pathetic. And to think that Mesaba doesn't have the worst contract out there is scary.
So, I went to a 4 yr school, have a degree, am struggling to pay my student loans off, am a highly trained professional flying a $30 million dollar jet, training was basically "do or die" as in if I were to screw up, I'd lose my job, my job is on the line every year with a medical examination, my job is on the line every year with an annual proficiency check that includes a thorough oral examination and a 4 hour simulator examination. Your lives are at the mercy of myself and my captain. And I make $1060 net a month. I don't do it for the money that's for sure.
To the "bagsmasher" I supose you're a rampy. I'm willing to almost bet my few pennies that you make more than me. If you want to throw blows, I think the fact that bag slingers make more than pilots is ludicrous! Not that your job is not important, but where do you measure the relativity?
It does get better, but I have paid my dues to get where I am. I know that every other regional pilot feels the same way I do. We are underpaid, overworked and gross unappreciated pilots in the industry.
Ben88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8456 times:
Why is it that there are two vast extremes in pilot pay? Either shit pay or excellent pay. Why can't there be a happy medium. I mean really a person with a 4 year education responsible for the lives of 50 people and a 30 million dollar machine making $1,000 a month is ridiculous. AZJubilee, how do you feel about your fellow colleagues that make three or four times your salary? I know it's not inherently their fault but I know I would be pissed if I were you. The only thing keeping you sane must be your love for aviation.
CV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 951 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8399 times:
Azjubilee put it perfectly. I flew FO on the Saab last year, lucked out it in that when I got on we were expanding. I made $19.16 per hour, but I was able to survive by flying 95 hours every month. One month when I didn't, I thought I was going to starve, barely able to cover my bills and feed myself, no way I could afford to do anything. Before that I instructed, didn't even make $10,000 that year. The following year I flew feight and corporate so did pretty good, still didn't even come close to hitting $20,000.
When I upgraded I got a nice pay raise, but still really not nearly as much as everyone seems to think I make. I should finish CRJ upgrade training this month, so next year I'll get a nice pay raise again, still not nearly as what must people think I'll do. I was only able to porgress like this cause I got hired whgen a company was growing at the perfect time. Hired a year later and I'd have been furloughed and stuck as an FO making $21 per hour with a 72 hour guarantee upon my return.
As for Horizon, you were wrong about the $17000, first year pay was around $15,500 in their last contract. I know cause I turned down an interview with them upon seeing that, plus they had 4 year upgrades. Under the new contract a first year will make around $18,500 to just shy of $20,000, depending on the amount of overtime they pick up. Don't think their is a big raise in year 2, cause their isn't.
As for what I feel for the majors with their pay. I support it. They have a lot of lives on their hands, they have a lot to worry about. Need to mnake tough decsions, pass checkrides every 6 months, if I fail mine this week I have 1 chance to make it up, flunk that and I'm terminated. With that on my record I'd never be able to get another aviation job. I have my medical every 6 months, actually one tomorrow morning with a Doctor I'm sure AZJ knows about in the MEM area. After being stuck at airports all the time its hard not to eat airport food, really healthy for you too, HA. I have no worries now, but in 20-30 years down the round with doing this all the time I am a little worried.
Well, I guess I over vented, but needed to get a little out. I do love my job and wouldn't trade it, but as I say it doesn't mean I want to work for free any more. I've seen more then a few crews burned out and now hate to fly, never want that to happen.
25 Latechpilot: Here is what United pilots currently make. Keep in mind, this is the first year of the new contract, so the rates are due to increase each year until
26 CALPilot: For those of you who say pilots make to much. Answer just a few questions? How many $11 million baseball players have 300 people lives in ther hands?
27 Azjubilee: Wow, people are finally realizing that there is a dispairity in the wages of pilots. Okay, my situation right now is an extreme. However it is a reali
28 CV640: Just a note about the above rates. Those are all maximum at Captains levels.
29 61Heavy: UAL Pilot Pay Rates: http://www.geocities.com/airspeed757/ 61Heavy