Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3656 posts, RR: 29 Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1756 times:
I think what the captain did was a great thing. It's called, using your brain and authority to solve a problem. Pilots are human and are definitely problem solvers. Rather than run screaming to mommy, he solved the problem in an efficient and timely manner.
At Mesaba they like to call the pilots "CEOs of the aircraft." This puts alot of problem solving in the hands of the pilots, and not through the red tape.
Baxter From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1737 times:
Very irresponsible action by the captain. He should have immediately ordered a ground stop and evacuation of the terminal to find the passenger who ran away. You simply cannot play with the lives of your passengers in such a frivolous manner. I hope Northwest is able to discipline him properly. He unneccessarily put at risk thousands of people flying nationwide that day.
Latechpilot From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1728 times:
You are absolutely wrong. The passenger's baggage was removed from the aircraft, and anything that he brought aboard with his person was checked at security. If I were faced with this, I'd only have his luggage removed and have a flight attendant look at his seating area, seat back pocket, and overhead bin. That's it. The passengers didn't even need to know. On the other hand, the captain cannot be faulted for keeping the passengers in the loop. No rules were broken, therefor, the captain did nothing wrong.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1722 times:
I dont agree with the pilot's actions - security is a real concern, especially in these times, and the decision should have been made by professionals who could have properly evaluated the situation.
What next? A pilot advises the passengers that one of the 757's engines has a mechanical problem - and the pax get to decide if the engine should be repaired causing a two hour delay, or should the crew try to do their 1500 mile segment with one engine out?
LuckySevens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1712 times:
I love this story.
...Ladies and gentlemen, as you know the person in seat 15A has been emitting noxious odors. You may now cast your votes to determine wether he is a) kicked off the island or b) left on the plane...
Please vote for your least favorite flight attendant on this flight.... flight attendant xxxxx you are the weakest link, goodbye.
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1707 times:
My only question is, how LONG did it take to vote for actions, the most time consuming of which might have been concluded by the end of the vote - taking proceedure?
Having said that, I commend the common sensical relationship flight crews are developing with their passengers in airliners since 9/11. Assuring voices of competence and confidence are eminating from cockpits. I hope it continues.
Fly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1694 times:
well, i think that the passenger should have been accompanied by a ground personel until he gets back to the plane. not leave him alone.. but since he left him go back by him self, he must have oredered a search.
but it was a nice thing what he did by taking the votes of the passengers
Redngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 47 Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1687 times:
Dutchjet, don't be silly! If the pilot knew there was a maintenance problem with the aircraft, s/he wouldn't give the passengers a choice in the first place, because s/he would be using best judgement (i.e. don't fly if it might not fly) in the first place.
I kind-of like this pilot's way of handling things. The pilot is saying to himself "it's a low probability that there's going to be a problem, the checked baggage is removed, I don't see a problem... but let's check with the pax first."
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1679 times:
I was just trying to make a point - some issues are just too important to be decided by votes or discussions with the pax.
God forbid something would have happened to that plane, the story would be very different and no one would have then thought that the pilot's actions were a cute public relations effort. These are difficult times, and security is on everyone's mind, and until everyone is comfortable flying again, lots of airlines will have to fight to survive, so I do not think that pax should be making decisions about security matters, just like I do not think that pax should make decisions about mechanical problems.
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3656 posts, RR: 29 Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1637 times:
Dutchjet... read the article again. The captain made the decision to put it to a vote by the passengers after making sure the bags checked by this passenger were removed from the airplane and that there was no other security issue.
The situation was handled b a credible and trustworthy professional... the captain.
'Longreach' From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 505 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1591 times:
There is nothing wrong with this.
When you think about it, in the end the passengers probably wouldn't have made any difference.
The pilot offered them these choices fully well knowing that both methods were safe number one, and number two if the choices were left up to the pilot he would have chosen the quicker option, but not giving the passengers that choice would have begun wild speculations amongst the passengers.
I believe that the second option was only to give the passengers a sense of well being, and to make them decide on their own what they wanted to do.
If the pilot had chosen a full search the passengers would be angry they had to disembark. If the pilot had chosen the quick search the passengers would fear for their lives.
He clearly made the right decision to A) maintain the safety of the flight, and B) maintain the comfort level of the passengers.
It would have taken an intelligant pilot to make that decision.