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User currently offlineDr.DTW From United States of America, joined May 2000, 290 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1094 times:

Was just wondering if someone could give me a brief history on Air Florida (US carrier that folded in the mid-80's). Was it one of the post-deregulation carriers? Did they merge with one of the majors, or did they just liquidate the assets?

Thanks!!

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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1018 times:

The only thing I remember about them is when they had a 737-200 crash shortly after take-off from DCA back in 1982. After that, I didn't hear much about them.


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User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1963 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1003 times:

I don't know much about the history, but the Miami-based airline flew an assortment of second-hand and leased Boeing 737-100 and -200, DC-9-15, and DC-10-30 aircraft, along with the Cessna 402, Martin 404, CASA 212. They also flew a 707-320 and a Lockheed L-188 Electra. I believe the airline started service in the early 1970s.

The 1982 crash Jmc1975 mentions caused a great deal of bad publicity for the airline. Pity... I flew them on a charter flight from JFK to LGW in 1983 (DC-10-30CF N3035); the service was among the best I have experienced. The cabin crew was extremely attentive, and the pilots highly professional.


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 991 times:

Air Florida actually dates back to the early 70's. They started out with Electra's I believe flying Intra-Florida routes (kind of like pre 1978 PSA and Air California).

They later added DC-9's, 727-200's, a couple of DC-10's and a lot of 737-200's.

Their route map eventually covered most of the Eastern United States and I think the -10's were used for service to Europe.

After they had that incident where that 737 made the unscheduled stop at the 14th street bridge, their image pretty much went down the drain (just like Valujet).

They filed for bankruptcy in or around 1985.

Midway Airlines (the original) bought most of AF's assetts, and started the operation branded as "Midway Express".

Eventually that operation was folded into mainline Midway.

Awhile later, in late 1991, the original Midway collapsed.

Hope this helps.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 984 times:

One of the original low-fare airlines that really grew after US airline deregulation and almost survived. Air Florida started as an intra-state carrier in Florida and has a bizzare fleet of aircraft that I do not even remember, but finally settled on 4 DC9-15s that shuttled between Miami, Tallahasee, Tampa and other Florida cities. When they could extend routes outside of Florida, the chose the 737-200, and bought lots of them, new examples from Boeing and used examples from other sources, including many 737-222s from United. They also had one or two 737-100s, I think that those were originally built for SQ. They also flew the 727-200 Advanced, I think also 4 copies, that were picked up out of an order placed by Braniff which had gone bankrupt at that point. Their routes extended from Florida up the Eastern Coast to DC and Boston and also served the important Florida-New York City route. I also remember services to some cities in the central USA. They also had routes to certain Carib destinations, cant remember where exactly except for St Thomas and St Croix which I am certain about.

Air Florida then went international with flights from Miami (and Orlando and Tampa I think) to Europe - these were with 3 DC-10-30 Convertibles originally operated by Transamerica Airlines (the company with the wonderful tower in San Fran - they got out of the airline business.)

Air Florida had plans for further expansion and placed one of the first orders for the B757-200 (remember, that airliner was not exactly popular when first presented to the airlines - hard to believe now.)

They had terrible accident at DCA due to icing on the wing which hurt their reputation, around the same time People Express entered the low-fare market and took the spotlight away from Air Florida, especially on the East Coast of the US, and the problems in the economy in the early 1980s (the 20% interest rate days in the US) lead to their collapse.

Believe it or not, Air FLorida flew from White Plains, NY to BOS, DCA, Chicago (dont remember which airport) and Bermuda, of all places. I flew HPN-BOS a couple of times, on the 737-100s, and the planes were full with full fare customers.


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5488 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 962 times:

The DC accident was due to icing, but the main issue was not the ice on the wings, but rather, ice in probes causing erroneous EPR readings, leading the pilots to believe that they were taking off with full power (from instrument readings), when (in fact) they had barely enough power to get off the ground (really not enough to fly). Tragic, but lessons learned.


...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 958 times:

De-icing, or pitot tube errors, or whatever.

You can argue the details all you want. But the fact remains that AF was negligent in that crash.


User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 956 times:

Among one of the more famous alumni of Air florida was Ed Acker.

Acker went on to Pan Am as Chairman and CEO after Seawell. Acker was responsible for adding the 737-200 into the Pan Am fleet. There were only a handful of copies of this a/c and I beleive they were used on the intra-German routes.

The 737's were leased from Air Florida.


User currently offlineDr.DTW From United States of America, joined May 2000, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 939 times:

Thanks to everyone, especially Dutchjet!

I appreciate all your imput. I knew I could count on the expertise of my colleagues in this forum!

Thanks again
Dr.DTW


User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 936 times:

Dutchjet did a very good job of summarizing it. I can add to what he gave you a list of most of the cities they served.

Miami, PBI, MCO, Daytona Beach, FLL, JAX, PEN, TLH, TPA, MSY (Air Florida Commuter only), Ocala, Key West, Freeport, North Eleuthra (with 737's), Grand Turk, Santo Domingo (from MIA and at one point JFK nonstop), Port Au Prince, Puerto Plata, San Salvadore, Tegucigalpa, San Jose (Costa Rica), Panama City (authority but never operated), Marathon, STT, STX, Montego Bay, Kingston, Cozumel (charters), Las Vegas (charters only from MSP), Georgetown, Gainesville, Treasure Cay, Marsh Harobour, Rock Sound, Belize, San Pedro, DCA, IAD, PHL, HPN, BOS, TOL, ORD, MDW, EWR, LGA, JFK, ISP (very briefly and I don't believe it was ever published), CHS, SAV, DFW, Houston, Burlington VT, Cancun (charter only), Mazatlan (charter only), Zihuatanejo (charter only), Shannon, London, Brussels, Amsterdam, Zurich, Tel Aviv, Madrid, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt (charter only), Oslo, Stockholm, Bermuda, Naples, Fort Myers, Quebec City (charters), Cincinatti, Cleveland, Columbus, Detroit, Indianapolis.....pretty impressive system!

By 1984, they were in major financial straits and the guy in charge of sheduling started opening new routes to just about anywhere to make some money. I know they were supposed to operate from Long Beach to LAX (with no link to the east coast) and from Pensacola to Denver. Again I am not sure if they ever got these routes up and running. The MIA-MAD and MIA-LGW routes went to Eastern. At the end Midway only ended up with seven 737's and a few routes from MDW to Florida as well as nonstops from IND and DTW to Orlando. They also operated HPN to DCA and from MIA to TPA, MCO, STT, and STX and from PBI to TPA. Midway also took over Air Florida's repair station in MIA.


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6278 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 909 times:

The first services were with 707s on the MIA-MCO route, the Electras came next. The airline was bought by Midway and became Midway Express for a short time.


Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 899 times:

Look at all the different liveries and hybrids for Air Florida.

Electra, 1973 - ancient livery


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Electra, 1976 - ancient livery


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DC-9, 1978 - updated livery, same as last livery but with different colors.


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737 Air Florida/Frontier hybrid, 1980


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73 Air Florida/Singapore hybrid, 1980


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737 Air Florida/Aer Lingus hybrid, 1980


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DC-10 Air Florida/World Airways hybrid, early 1980's


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737 in Last (and best, imho) livery, 1984:


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User currently offlineN1641 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 895 times:

i think they had pretty cool paint schemes, i like the Florida Gators colors, 3rd one down(coincidence?) and the bottom one the most.

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 862 times:

Yeah I agree the third one down is cool, the best if you ask me.

User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1963 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 853 times:

My favorite Air Florida livery was the one worn by the DC-10-30CF to which I referred in my earlier post.

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I believe this aircraft was originally operated by Overseas National; I remember seeing that airline's logos inside the plane. This plane, along with three ordered by Trans International, still flies, carrying cargo for Federal Express (according to Bill Harms):

N101TV (del. 4/73) is now N301FE
N102TV (del. 6/73) is now N302FE
N103TV (del. 7/73) is now N303FE
N3035F (del. 9/78) is now N304FE




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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 846 times:
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It wasn't N3035F but N1035F, having seen it at MAN on its inauguaral flight from MIA in 1979 (callsign was Palm 804).

They also operated a couple of Air Europe 737s in the British winter, with them reciprocating in the Americam winter.

David/MAN


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32604 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 842 times:

What were thier MIA routes (especially trans-Atlantic other than LGW/MAD)? Also, looks like some odd routes. Was there really demand on Pensacola-Denver?


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User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 806 times:

MIA-London, Amsterdam, Brussels, Tel Aviv (stopped in Madrid), Oslo (stopped in Zurich), plus charters....Transatlantic wise I think that was it.

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