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JAL, SQ, CX FA Standards, Very Interesting!  
User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2544 posts, RR: 6
Posted (13 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10407 times:

Well here are the standards SQ, CX and JAL FA's have to keep up with. SQ is much more detailed!
Mikey

SINGAPORE AIRLINES

I ve had the chance to talk with a few Singapore GIRLS. (Not me friend, this is posted on Flight attendants.org)

They have told me some VERY interesting things!:

1 - You have to be under 25 yo to be invited for the interview

2- You must bring a bathing suit and wear it during one of the interviewing process. You must CATWALK with it in front of a panel of judges

3- They do a grooming inspection during the interview that means, hair, legs, butt, arms, make-up. If you have a scar or a tatoo, you are eliminated automatically. If you are overweight/don t have a what they consider a nice bum and breast, you are out. If you are not pretty enough, you are out.

4- Of course, you cannot be married or have children (you will know why later).
5- There are height restrictions

After you are hired:

1- You MUST maintain your weight/height proportion as they will not supply you with another uniform for size purposes.

2- If you did gain weight, they will ground you and post you to a office position till you lose your weight ( I m not kidding, my hairdresser s sister was for SIN and got grounded once for gaining 5 pounds).

3- You MUST wear make-up. And that is not only some mascara and lipstick only... THE WHOLE thing. When I saw the GIRLS in the lobby, they all looked like they were going to this asian wedding or something. Apparently because of the lights in the plane, they must wear enough so it shows that they have make-up.

4- Guys do get hired but most of them will do ONLY galley positions. They want the SINGAPORE GIRLS in the aisle.

5- When the girls kneel down, the uniform is made in a way that customers can see part of their breasts

6- They wear sandals

7- Hair must be in a bun or tied up VERY neatly. Baby hair must be shaved or else...

Working conditions:

1- All FAs are trained on the B747. Depending on the needs, some of them will be trained on the B777 and some others on the A340s. As the A310 are too old for them, they do not train any FAs on that aircraft type anymore

2- They do not bid for a schedule. They company gives them a 6 month draft. The schedule is modified if it needs to be.

3- They have reserve periods while being on layover: example: at JFK layover, they get the day off but from 6pm till 6am, they need to be in their rooms.

4- They can not exchange pairings unless you give them a valid reason (to fly with your buddy is not considered as valid)

5- Their starting hourly wage is 12$ Sin dollars which is 10$CND + a bonus depending on the airline s performance (they got 6000$ Sin dollars last year).

6- The girl to whom I ve talked to had 8 days at her home base during that month and has 1500$Sin dollars of Per diem.

7- In-flight positions on a 747:

1 In-Flight Supervisor
2 Chief Pursers
1 Leading FA per cabin (4)
3 FA per cabin
2 Leading FA for the First Class section (no FAS can do the First Class

It takes 5 years to be promoted to Leading FA.

JAPAN AIRLINES
I also met some guys who work for Japan Airlines. They are Frankfurt based and do most European-Japan flights and Australia-Japan flights.

READ THIS!:

1- They DO NOT HAVE TO LOAD THEIR MEALS. THERE ARE NO OVENS ON BOARD!

The trolleys can be plugged into the wall, and EACH tray has it s own heating plate under the casserole. All they have to do is to unsure the trolley is plugged properly, press the ON button and wait.

2- They have 3 mivrowaves on a B747 each worth 50 000$US. They are specially made for them.

3- They hire mostly girls but since they have bases in Europe, they must hire men.

4- It is considered to be a VERYYYYYYYY GLAMOROUS (probably one of the most glamorous job for a young unmarried female) to work for Japan Airlines or Singapore Airlines in Japan. There are even soap operas about how mad the Japanese girls want to be a STEWARDESS.

5- I actually have a friend in Montreal who arranges Flight Attendant and languages classes for young ladies who come all the way to Canada from Japan. He is actually in the travel industry and warned the guy who is in charge that FA courses in Canada is not considered as a plus during hiring. But they don t care. They want that in their resume, and the parents are ready to pay for that.


CATHAY PACIFIC
As our office in YVR is located right next to Cathay Pacifics YVR one, I ve had the chance to chat with a few of their FAs:

That s what I have been told:

1- They have rice cooker on board. Therefore, they must cook rice!

2- They can fly up to 100 hours a month (and not be paid overtime).

3- They must have their VERY NEATLY tied up as well. and baby hair is encouraged to be shaved.

4- YVR based FAs must be able to speak English and Mandarin or Cantonese or Japanese. They do ONLY Vancouver-Hong-Kong and Vancouver-JFK.

5- They make less than AT and C3 FAs

6- They are unionised IN Canada and they are part of CUPE!!!!!! (like AT, C3, AC).

7- They have annual awards for best colleague, best personnality, etc. It s an evening gala held in Hong Kong.


What do you think?? Very very amazing in my eyes!!

Mikey



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User currently offlineCorsairf/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10199 times:

At Singapore airlines the F/A got a 3 years contract which can be renewed only one time.
At Japan Airlines the non japenese F/A have a 5 years contract which cannot be renewed and most of the time they are on board to keep the lavs neat but they are well paid.


User currently offlineCarmy From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10167 times:

I know quite a number of FAs in SIA from entry-level Flight Stewards and stewardesses (FSS) to an Inflight Supervisor (IFS), which is the highest rank a cabin crew can attain. What the article has described SIA to be is highly unlike what my cabin crew friends tell me it is.

1 - You have to be under 25 yo to be invited for the interview

That is quite untrue. As any Singaporean will be able to tell you, SIA used to have recruitment ads published in the papers almost every month. The criteria for employment is quite clearly stated on every ad. Anybody can go to the SIA School for Cabin Crew for the interview, IF they meet the criteria spelled out in the ad. The entire process is transperant as there are usually about three interviewers interviewing every potential Singapore Girl or guy.

2- You must bring a bathing suit and wear it during one of the interviewing process. You must CATWALK with it in front of a panel of judges

Again, untrue. From what my friends in the airline tell me, the bathing suit is required in the second round of interviews. The bathing suit is used when the interviewees go for their swimming test. All SIA cabin crew are required to have some sort of knowledge in swimming, and thus the need for the bathing suit. Guys have to swim as well. They go through the exact same swimming test as the ladies.

3- They do a grooming inspection during the interview that means, hair, legs, butt, arms, make-up. If you have a scar or a tatoo, you are eliminated automatically. If you are overweight/don t have a what they consider a nice bum and breast, you are out. If you are not pretty enough, you are out.

If I remember correctly, one of the requirements on the recruitment ads is that females cannot have tatoos. It's all part of the graceful Singapore Girl image. Call it sexist or whatever, but they sure give better service than most other airlines I've flown on.

About the bum and breast part, from what I hear, the airline actually gives the female FAs padded bras and panties! Haha.. so what you see in that sarong kebaya is not exactly what you get!

4- Of course, you cannot be married or have children (you will know why later).
5- There are height restrictions


The airline is actually re-employing FAs who have taken maternity leave to serve on board again. Of course, they must still be in pretty good shape and stuff before they're considered for the job.

The height restrictions are for practical purposes. You don't expect the FA to help you put your carry on baggage into the overhead cabinet when she's barely taller than the seat right?

1- You MUST maintain your weight/height proportion as they will not supply you with another uniform for size purposes.

2- If you did gain weight, they will ground you and post you to a office position till you lose your weight ( I m not kidding, my hairdresser s sister was for SIN and got grounded once for gaining 5 pounds).


That much is true. I haven't heard of anyone getting grounded for gaining 5 pounds yet, but if any FA is deemed to have grown too big, they're not given any flights until the airline deems them fit to fly again. In the first place, who uses the Imperial system of weights in Singapore anyway?

3- You MUST wear make-up. And that is not only some mascara and lipstick only... THE WHOLE thing. When I saw the GIRLS in the lobby, they all looked like they were going to this asian wedding or something. Apparently because of the lights in the plane, they must wear enough so it shows that they have make-up.

Well the part about the make-up is true. Female FAs are required to put on make up so that they can look their best. Don't know, but I personally don't think the amount of make-up they put on is excessive. Never heard my female FA friends complain about the make-up as well.

4- Guys do get hired but most of them will do ONLY galley positions. They want the SINGAPORE GIRLS in the aisle.

That's not true. Ask anyone who's ever travelled SIA and I'm sure they'd have seen their fair share of male FAs serving them. Guys however, usually volunteer to do galley work as there is a fair bit of kneeling and some stuff to carry. It's apparently kind of uncomfortable for the girls in their tight uniforms to be kneeling all over the place.

6- They wear sandals

7- Hair must be in a bun or tied up VERY neatly. Baby hair must be shaved or else...


The female FAs wear a different pair of sandals during take off and landing, which allows for easier movement around the aircraft.

I don't think it's sightly to have long hair swinging around the place when you're serving passengers food is it? Or in the case of an emergency to have your hair covering your entire face when you're running to help someone? Again, the hair is tied up for practical purposes. Anyway, tied up hair looks neater.

1- All FAs are trained on the B747. Depending on the needs, some of them will be trained on the B777 and some others on the A340s. As the A310 are too old for them, they do not train any FAs on that aircraft type anymore

That's true. In fact, the more recent batches are only trained for the 744s and 777s as the 340 will also be phased out soon.

2- They do not bid for a schedule. They company gives them a 6 month draft. The schedule is modified if it needs to be.

3- They have reserve periods while being on layover: example: at JFK layover, they get the day off but from 6pm till 6am, they need to be in their rooms.

4- They can not exchange pairings unless you give them a valid reason (to fly with your buddy is not considered as valid)


True, they don't bid for a schedule, but they can make requests to scheduling officers, and these requests are aceded to as much as possible.

I've never heard of a reserve period before. Is the article talking about a standby? That happens when the airline anticipates that there may not be enough crew for certain flights, and thus puts some crew on standby so that they may be called up to serve that flight. However, crew are put on standby only when they have had enough rest to recover from jet lag and stuff.

There is actually a notice board for staff on the staff intranet which allows them to post up notices if they wish to change their flights. That is of course subject to someone on the other flight willing to exchange flights with you. If both FAs are willing to do an exchange, there's no reason why the airline will object.

5- Their starting hourly wage is 12$ Sin dollars which is 10$CND + a bonus depending on the airline s performance (they got 6000$ Sin dollars last year).

6- The girl to whom I ve talked to had 8 days at her home base during that month and has 1500$Sin dollars of Per diem.


FAs on SIA are not paid an hourly wage. New FAs are given a basic monthly salary of about S$1000 or US$750. They are then paid many other forms of allowances like transport allowances, laundry allowances, inflight allowances, turn around allowances, meal allowances, and so on. My friends tell me a new FA can expect to make aroun S$3500 a month, which is around US$2500.

On top of that, they also get a considerable amount from SIA's profit sharing scheme and bonuses, which usually adds up to a considerable amount.

7- In-flight positions on a 747:

1 In-Flight Supervisor
2 Chief Pursers
1 Leading FA per cabin (4)
3 FA per cabin
2 Leading FA for the First Class section (no FAS can do the First Class

It takes 5 years to be promoted to Leading FA.


The reason why FAs are not allowed to serve First Class is because they are given training to serve on First Class only when they've been promoted to a Leading FA. This will of course ensure a certain level of quality for their premium passengers on First Class.

As for Corsairf/a's comments that FAs only get a 3 year contract which can only be renewed once, that's not true. Females are usually offered up to three 5 year contracts, and any subsequent contracts will be at the airline's descretion and the FA's performance. Male FAs can work until retirement.


User currently onlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4360 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10138 times:

as you can read in my SQ tripreport, I'd prefer they put more emphasis on intelligence and procedures than on looks !http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/15312/ .


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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2399 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10095 times:
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As a FA, I am very intersrted in this post. It does not astonish me at all. However I know SQ's highest position in cabin can be occupied by male FA.

I also heard that working for JL is very interesting... and very well paid.

FB.



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User currently offline'Longreach' From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10073 times:

No wonder SIA's profits are so huge, they pay their staff next to nothing.

User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10069 times:

Longreach: Ever heard this phrase... "pay peanuts and you get *******"...I think you know how it should be completed. Some of those SQ girls can be monkeys sometimes.

User currently offlineCarmy From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10066 times:

I certainly don't think SIA plays peanuts. A new SQ FA makes on average around S$3500, or about US$2500 a month. That's much more than what a fresh university graduate will get.

User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10007 times:

Carmy: I'm not saying every one of them is a monkey but some of them can be quite rude and arrogant sometimes. I don't know if you've experienced it but I have a couple of times. Well, for a new graduate, yes $3500 is relatively more. Maybe I should be an FA...what do you think? haha...

User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9975 times:

On My SQ flights, most of the time the males were serving meals! Sometimes with a SG.

User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1489 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9934 times:

There is just too much generalisation in the original post - the subjects who were interviewed or profiled in it were probably high on something on the drug abuse list.

The sarong kebaya was never designed to expose the breast - suffice to say that passengers with roving eyes will still see what they seek to see - unless the cabin attendants wear turtle-neck collars.

Anyone who thinks the SIA cabin attendants are poorly paid does not know how to count.

Contrary to what was said about their make-up having to be extra-thick, I know that they were given guidelines on how to wear subtle makeup and not appear "onstage" looking like a kabuki performer!

Male cabin attendants certainly do serve on board alongside their female counterparts - and in all classes too.

The cabin attendants come from a variety of nations and cultural backgrounds - mainly to better serve passengers from their home countries. Due to cultural differences, perhaps some come across as having highly animated behavioural patterns - hence the charges of behaving like "monkeys". Rude and arrogant cabin attendants are found in just about every airline - but how does this make them "monkeys"?

KC Sim
Bangkok



User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9915 times:

I apologize that I called them monkeys because it just seems to suit the phrase.

I have seen SIA flight attendants that actually stand to one side refusing to help passengers load their bags into the overhead bins. Maybe this is company policy to prevent them from breaking their backs in case the bags are too heavy. This does not make them monkeys but they shouldn't be standing helplessly at the side watching people put their bags into the overhead bins. I felt they should have at least bothered to help.

But I have seen tremendous improvements in this two years in terms of cabin service. Let's all hope they keep this trend up.

PS: Thanks to Aviasian for pointing out that error. And sorry if I offended anybody.


User currently offlineBkkair From Thailand, joined Aug 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9894 times:

Sorry to change the subject off SQ to CX.
- the rice cookers on CX are only on long-haul flights and only in First Class. They are used to cook rice for the First Class Passengers only. A nice touch!


User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1280 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9876 times:

The report was extremely interest, Mikey!
I never knew of things.

Surely, even if they had to bring the swimsuits to another interview -their swimming ability wouldn't have anything to do with them parading around on catwalks, could it Carmy?

I think that its true Asian airlines tend to do this.
My Aunty (Who is a retired China Airlines flight attendant) tells me the strict regulations:

China Airlines (Previously, some 10 years ago)
- Height Regulation (thats normal)
-Finger nails are to be painted Purple
-Toe nails are to be painted PURPLE also - even though they are never seen barefooted
-Hair tied in a very neat bun, I assume baby hair would be shaven off
-Fingers are not to touch anywhere NEAR food, and they are encouraged NOT to go to the toilet.

Obviously, when my Aunt wanted revenge on sexist travellers, she would stick her fingers in the food deliberately, or stir coffee with her fingers...  Smile

Regards
QANTASairways



Spirit of Australia
User currently offline'Longreach' From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9853 times:

Aviasian:

"FAs on SIA are not paid an hourly wage. New FAs are given a basic monthly salary of about S$1000 or US$750. They are then paid many other forms of allowances like transport allowances, laundry allowances, inflight allowances, turn around allowances, meal allowances, and so on. My friends tell me a new FA can expect to make aroun S$3500 a month, which is around US$2500"

At the end of the month they end up with $750US in cash!?

YOu cannot consider the allowances which they have which are brought on by the fact that they work in that industry as part of their wages, because the bottom line is they end up with $750!!

I recently walked into a job with no experience, with a lot less effort involved and I was getting more than them per month. That was with minimal training, effort, sacrifice on my lifestyle etc. and the job wasnt even that hard... basically little to no responsibility or stress. Sure no benefits but no added costs were incurred on me due to my job, unlike them.





User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9834 times:

AirNewzealand,
I dont believe all you have written is true. However it must be said that the SG are the prettiest in the sky and this definitely contributes to the succes story of Singapore Airlines. On all flights I have flown with SIA, I have never had a bad experience, never seen a rude or arrogant FA. A long time ago, being a FA was a job with style. Today, only FA from airlines like SQ, CX and KE have kept this status. A lot of this storys, like the ones you posted, have everything to do with jealousy from the waitresses on ordinary airlines.



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User currently offlineAnawat From United States of America, joined May 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9807 times:

From my experience, the in-flight supervisor are often older men. They often hang out in first class and personally greeted each and every pax in first. It's a very nice touch.

I also found that older male lead FA or supervisor is usually provide a very good service and quite a cool guy to chat too.

I guess that they have to be quite good to make it this far in their career.


User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9792 times:

that's brutal.

r panda


User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9772 times:

You people are so misguided.

An SIA stewardess earns S$ 950-1200 in basic salary, with the flying allowances and so on,they might end up with S$4000!

Male FA's do make their rounds in Economy Class.I've been served by them before! Also in Raffles Class, we had a steward who was in charge of us.

From those, how can you mention the above statements which are factually untrue.

9V-SVA



9V-SVA | B772ER
User currently offline'Longreach' From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9754 times:


9v-SVA:

Again can I ask how you can think that they would end up with $4000?

Think about it, because if they were not working this job they would not incurr the cost which would need these benefits. And so at the end of the month all that they have earnt themselves is $S950 in cash.

Which is an annual salary of S$11,400 or if they were on S$1200 it would be S$14,400!!

At the end of the day their benefits are not transferable into personal cash or wages.



User currently offlineCarmy From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9744 times:

Longreach: As I've mentioned earlier before, SIA's cabin crew recieve a large number of different allowances to supplement their basic salary. I don't understand what you mean by "because if they were not working this job they would not incur the cost which would need these benefits."

From my understanding of that statement, you're basically saying that SIA's allowances to cabin crew is just enough to tide them through their expenses overseas, thus leaving them with only S$900 for their expenditure back in Singapore. I don't know, but it appears to me you've got a gross misunderstanding of how much the airline actually pays in allowances. These allowances are extrememly generous, to the extent that a normal entry-level flight crew can expect to get more than S$200 for staying just one day in Continental Europe or Japan. And that's excluding inflight allowances, transport allowances, and others. Altogether, they can expect to make more than S$1000 for a week long trip to the US.

Then, there're the turnaround flights. These flights are usually less than four hours each way, thus crew can expect to be home the very evening. When crew get such flights, they're paid turnaround allowances, inflight allowances, and stuff like that. Besides paying for their own transport to and from the airport, there're no other expenses involved, unless, of course they start buying from the duty free shops inflight. Again, more allowances to add on to their take-home pay.

It is near impossible for any SIA cabin crew member to bring home S$900 a month. The only reason why he or she is earning so little is because he or she probably hasn't flown a single flight in the entire month. Which, is pretty good, considering that you get S$900 for not working a single day. Cleaners in Singapore don't even get S$900 for working every single day of the month. And on top of that, crew still get medical benefits, travel benefits, and so on and so forth.

And I don't understand your statememnt, "at the end of the day, their benefits are not transferable into cash or wages." Just out of curiosity, which airline allows their staff to sell their travel or medical benefits back to the company for wages? I'd guess none.


User currently offlineJubilee777 From Singapore, joined May 1999, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9733 times:

I recently walked into a job with no experience, with a lot less effort involved and I was getting more than them per month. That was with minimal training, effort, sacrifice on my lifestyle etc. and the job wasnt even that hard... basically little to no responsibility or stress.

Longreach: You are seriously over-paid, but i wouldn't mind joining you....

J777


User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9721 times:

Don't forget, SIA cabin crew get complimentary tickets for themselves, spouse and children! Also, the medical expenses of the employee's family is heavy subsidized,with up to 75% of the cost going back to the employee.

SIA stewards and stewardesses are given their allowances in cheques.Isn't cheques a form of cash? They can earn up to 5000 a month for leading cabin crew and almost 10 000 for inflight supervisors.

I do agree with Carmy that if the staff doesn't work a single day of the month,she still gets S$900, which our cleaners do not get even if they work 31 days a month! At most they get up to 500 dollars!

9V-SVA



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User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1489 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9700 times:

Longreach : It is obvious that you do not understand the English language, and instead would have yourself believe that the poor Singapore Girls end up with $750 per month!

She earns a huge chunk more than that - and many of them are far better off than their counterparts who took up other positions (ie. subject to them being able to spend wisely).

S750 will not even begin to pay for the peanuts you need to feed a monkey for a whole month!

KC Sim
Bangkok


User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2544 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9692 times:

Dont say you dont believe me!! Come on i didnt get the info!! Dude dont shoot the messanger!!

Anywys i was going through the site again, and was reading the replies (should of done that when i was posting this one) and i found a post from a cabin crew member who cusrrently works for SQ...here it is!!


Cheers
mikey

This is it here (FA FROM SQ)
hello everyone, i surfed into this forum by chance and read the posting by ATguy about SQ F/A. well...some of the things he mentioned are rightfully so but some are inaccurate or even misinformed.
here's part of ATguy posting---->>>>>>
>>>1 - You have to be under 25 yo to be invited for the interview

u do not need an invitation for the interview. it's a walk-in interview so basically anyone can go. but u must fulfil certain requirement like minimun height and of course be in great shape in order to wear the famed SQ uniform (kebaya).
agw-wise, u have to be at least 18 to perferably in your twenties. i've heard that the oldest F/A they recruited is 28. well...afterall, SQ is an asian airline and it's no secret that most if not all asian airline have young F/A. look at asiana airline, ANA, JAL, CX, KE etc. in fact some pax told me that the reason they don't want to fly european or US airline is that they don't like to be told off by the grandma and uncles.

>>2- You must bring a bathing suit and wear it during one of the interviewing process. You must CATWALK with it in front of a panel of judges

hmmm....that's partially true, that u do have to wear swimsuit in the 2nd round of the interview coz it's a swimming test. but i suspect that the main reason is to see if u have any visible scars and of the right body shape. the uniform will look awful if u don't have the body to wear it. U don't CATWALK though, and it's just 3 interviewer i think.

>>>4- Of course, you cannot be married or have children (you will know why later).

u can't be married when u first joined the airline but of course u can get married while u are a SQ F/A and u can even take time off to have kids and come back to fly. but provided that u maintain your "contours". we nickname them flying mothers.

>>>5- There are height restrictions

there is a minimun height restriction of 158cm which is a dwarf by european standard but we will like to term them as petite. but some stewardesses are even 180cm or taller. of course u can be too tall, how high do u think the aircraft cabin can be? i'm pretty sure most airline wouldn't recruit a 2 metres tall F/A just in case they will knock their head onto the door of the aircraft, lest they look like walking sticks in the cabin.

>>After you are hired:

>>1- You MUST maintain your weight/height proportion as they will not supply you with another uniform for size purposes.

if u do gain or lose a few pound after u have tailored your uniform, u can always send it for alteration for size adjustment. oh...c'mon, SQ is not as mean as some people make it out to be.

>>2- If you did gain weight, they will ground you and post you to a office position till you lose your weight ( I m not kidding, my hairdresser s sister was for SIN and got grounded once for gaining 5 pounds).

welll....basically the image of SQ is about the slim Singapore Girl and her kebaya uniform. how do u think a Roxanne Barr will look like when she don on our uniform? besides the cabin aisle is so narrow, wouldn't u be handicapped in your movement within the cabin if u are too fat. lest other F/A or even pax think that u are a safety hazard!!!! hahaha..

>>3- You MUST wear make-up. And that is not only some mascara and lipstick only... THE WHOLE thing. When I saw the GIRLS in the lobby, they all looked like they were going to this asian wedding or something. Apparently because of the lights in the plane, they must wear enough so it shows that they have make-up.

that i agree that it's a bit over the top. sometimes i couldn't even recognise my colleague after they have remove their make-up. but i would prefer them to look more rosy than pale. the lighting in the cabin is so dark, imagine a pale-faced F/A walking around the cabin and the pax might think that they've just seen a GHOST!!!

>>4- Guys do get hired but most of them will do ONLY galley positions. They want the SINGAPORE GIRLS in the aisle.

Very true!!! but sometimes we would have to do cabin related work as well when there is shortage of female F/A. besides i'm not complaining as it can be a bit overwhelming to greet 400 over passengers in a 747-400 if u are assigned to work in the aisles.

>>>5- When the girls kneel down, the uniform is made in a way that customers can see part of their breasts

ah....that's a sexual insinuation. NO...it's not true. 99% u can see anything when they kneel down. but of course i'm not denying that some stewardesses purposely wear push up bra so that it "overflow" out of their uniform. welll...there is always some black sheep in every airline.

>>6- They wear sandals
>>7- Hair must be in a bun or tied up VERY neatly. Baby hair must be shaved or else...

True.

>>>Working conditions:
>>1- All FAs are trained on the B747. Depending on the needs, some of them will be trained on the B777 and some others on the A340s. As the A310 are too old for them, they do not train any FAs on that aircraft type anymore

we have 4 fleet of F/A doing 4 different combination of aircraft. everyone is trained on the B747 though. and they are still training some FAs on the A310-300 as we are still stuck with that aircraft for a few more years.

>>2- They do not bid for a schedule. They company gives them a 6 month draft. The schedule is modified if it needs to be.

ya...we call that a block roster. it follows the northern summer and winter season. and we can roughly see what kind of flight we will be operating months in advance. that's good planning to me!

>>3- They have reserve periods while being on layover: example: at JFK layover, they get the day off but from 6pm till 6am, they need to be in their rooms.

we call that stand-bys. i think it's only 6pm-10pm in JFK and only for a day.

>>4- They can not exchange pairings unless you give them a valid reason (to fly with your buddy is not considered as valid)

unless u are flying with your spouse only.

>>5- Their starting hourly wage is 12$ Sin dollars which is 10$CND + a bonus depending on the airline s performance (they got 6000$ Sin dollars last year).

nope...the starting pay is only SIN$6.50 per hours but we have different incentive scheme which pay a lot more if we do long haul flights and a basic pay of about SIN$1600. well...on a average month, it's about US$2200 not including the bonus and so on..

>>7- In-flight positions on a 747:

basically it's about 6guys and 11 girls.

whao...it's a long reply. thanks for reading! happy flying!!!!!

There we have it, so i guess you were mis informed about Cabin crew pay...much less i gather!!

Cheers
mikey


25 'Longreach' : Ahhhh.
26 Post contains images Carmy : Thanks to Airnewzealand for clearing all that up!
27 AirNewZealand : Thats OK....Due to my stupidity i have misleaded some people on some ideas...well not me, but another!! Sorry guys Mike
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