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Shame On Northwest!Racial Discrimination!  
User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

I was reading the newspaper a coule of days ago and an article was related to the fired Asian Northwest Flight Attendants.

According to news, it said that the fired 30 Northwest F.A are planning to sue Northwest for Racial Discrimination.More than 10 Northwest former staff gathered at the American Embassy in Hong Kong a few days ago, saying that Norwest discrimnated them during their career in NW, also saying "Shame On Northwest".A F.A worked in NW for 11 years told the press that comparing with American Flight Attendants, Asian Attendants didn't have the same privileages as the American F.A.Examples are :

1.No promotions for Asian crews no matter how many years they've worked in Northwest while promotions for American crews would be possible.

2.No overtime paid for Asian crews while Amserican crews paid for serving passengers for 30 more extra minutes on a scheluded flight.

3.Working time not as much as American crew, thus salary lower than American crew.

4.Food for American crew is business class food while Asian crew could only take Economy Class Food.

Also she said that Northwest kept the position without pay for around 300 American crews, while Northwest fired 30 Asian crew, and obviously that's racial discrimination.the fired crew are now planning to sue Northwest Airlines, and also wanting American Embassy in Hong Kong to give assistance.American Embassy have not responded at the moment to give assistance not.

Could anyone confirm that comparing with American Cres, is it true that the Asian crews are not as well-treated?That's really not fair to the Asian crews...i thought that crews were given the same salary paid method or so!

Best Regards



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

As Joe Walsh once put into a song, "There are 2 sides to every story". You've just heard the plaintiffs' side, minus of course any other facts that might be annoying. In other words, propaganda.

Charles


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

If it's true, then NW were indeed in the wrong. However, is this (as we've seen so many times before) just a case of some disgruntled fired employees?

User currently offlineAC_A340 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 2251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

There is a lot of unanswered questions, so I'll withold judgement. But it is quite possible that there are different laws for hiring in the Asian countries, or they were hired on a contact that didn't give them as much rights.

They could also be disgruntled that they were fired.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6432 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

9V-SPK,
Do you think that International companies have the same wage scales, benefits, work rules etc. in all countries they have operations in? ie: General Motors, Shell Oil, British Airways, Toyota, Sony. I'm sure they don't.


User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

If I had to guess, I'd say its contract work. Most carriers have FAs and other employees contracted for work into countries they fly. If they close down that base they usually don't offer positions to them do to the fact of the massive difficulties involved. Mainly getting the legal right to work, plus the fact of simply moving half way around the world. I have no idea of the facts, but this is just a guess based on what I've heard and read

User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5484 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

No, it is not "Racial Discrimination"- unless you find (as you will not) that NW was making such decisions based upon the race of its employees within a given employee group- i.e., if they were discharging their US-based empoyees based upon their race, etc.

As it is, the airline hires employees- for various positions- in different countries, and the employment policies and laws applicable to each country's employees vary by country, as do the employment terms, pay and other perks.

Cabin staff hired and based in (for example) Japan are generally paid less- by all airlines- than those hired and based in the US. That is the market at work, folks, not the airline.

Thus, they are not discriminating based upon race, they are "discriminating" (the lawful and appropriate kind) based upon the terms and conditions of employment applicable to the affected employees.

BTW, see how many Asian companies' US employees are promoted to senior management back home... not bloody likely!

As we said in law school, and repeat today, "Anyone can be sued at any time by anyone for any reason- but it doesn't mean they'll win."



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

This also seems flawed to me on another front:
Americans are not a race!America is an immigrant society.


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5484 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

Donder10- My point exactly! Well-stated.


...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

This has nothin to do with race discrimination.
It's a union issue.


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