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Will There Be A Boeing 777-400...?  
User currently offlineBaec777 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6708 times:

Will Boeing build a Boeing 777-400...??

We Have a B777-200 & B777-300.... What about a B777-400.

Like the Boeing 767 fleet in -200/-300/-400.

baec777


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User currently offlineIluvwestjet From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6553 times:

It'll depend on whether there's a need for a stretch or shortening of the 777 series. It's really hard to say at this point. The 777-300s are still fairly new; I don't think there's an adequate response on whether significant changes are needed on the current 777 series to warrant a 777-400.

User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6525 times:

Airbus certainly hopes not!

in all seriousness, I've heard that the 777 design platform is very much capable of being stretched further. However, if a 774 came out, it would probably hold pretty much exactly the same number of people as a 744, wouldn't it? If it would, then it wouldn't have much of a future, because I guess it'd have considerably less range than a 744. i guess it might possibly have better economics, but i still don't see much of a market for it. Interesting question!



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User currently offlineB808/A400 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6503 times:

Does anyone know if adding another pair of engies would be an option?

Is the 777 platform scalable in that respect?


User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6500 times:

i think they'd have to re-desing the wing for that... big $$$. And if they stretched it and put 2 more engines on it, then they'd REALLY be killing the 747. they might as well just put hump on it.

A Tri-jet 777, perhaps?  Smile



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User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6490 times:

The 747 is pretty much dead. Nobody wanted the 500 let it go. I love the 747 but its time to let it rest before

User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6490 times:

King, before what?
Boeing intends to keep the 747 in production for a LONG time. Whether or not this will involve a stretched variant is debatable, but they will certainly continue to make little improvements. This is still a very popular plane and I doubt they intend to "let it go". If they do, they won't be able to compete with Airbus at ALL on the higher end of the size scale.



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

You can only make little improvments for a short time. I am not saying drop the line tomorrow but they need to focus on a new line such as an boeing design like the A380 or stretching the 777 but I don't think there will be a newer model. I say it will be dropped within 10 years or so.

User currently offlineBaec777 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6471 times:

"Triple-7-Four" trijet !!  Smile there you go !!

baec777


User currently offlineB808/A400 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6455 times:

Someday engines will be so small and so powerful, that they'll fit inside the
fuselage and only one will suffice  Smile


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10745 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6373 times:

If you mean a even longer 777 than the 773 it would be a serious contender for the title "The ugliest widebody airplane".
I heard that the 773 even has to be flown carefully to avoid tailstrikes so what about an even longer sausage? I heavily doubt Boeing is so stupid building a 744 contender with such a strange stretch.


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6357 times:

Maybe a short version of the -200...to replace the B767-300ER? It might be able to produce commonality savings. BA is a case in point.

The Coachman



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User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6356 times:

"The 747 is pretty much dead. Nobody wanted the 500 let it go. I love the 747 but its time to let it rest before"

Did you forget to finish your post...before what. A fairly brave statement but I think you will find the 747 being produced for some time yet.

A 777-400 would be TOO LONG and would probably suffer from tail strike.

The 747 is a classic aircraft that changed aviation forever and if the A380 is half as successful as the 747 it will be doing OK.

However I suspect the demand for the A380(initial orders excluded) will be less than anticipated and the ongoing demand for the 747 will be better than expected.

Unless Airbus give them away the economics of the 777 or 744 or A346 will probably be more economically viable, just like airlines now are parking 744s that can't be filled for 777/A340s that run full.

The 747 is a truly beautiful classic looking aircraft that despite being smaller actually looks bigger than the A380 which is rather ugly especially with the Cockpit on the lower level. Check out this SIA 744-412 and you will see what I mean!!!!

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Andrew Hunt





User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

Boeing did raise the topic "B777-100" as a potential B767/A310 replacement but carriers asked to evaluate the plane weren´t really happy about it, mainly because it was too heavy for their missions.

A 777-400 is something I can´t imagine, the B773 is already nearly 80 meters long and the 80x80 meter box is THE important figure for both airports and manufacturers. And If I´m informed correct the -300 has already an updated software to avoid tailstrikes.

Regards
Flying-Tiger
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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6313 times:

you can make every aircraft looking big if you take your photo with the right angle

User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6274 times:

A 744 looks big from ANY angle as if you didn't know!!

User currently offlineDeanBNE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

A Boeing 777-300 stretch? Only a slight strectch would be possible, due to tail strike, MTOW and ground handling issues.
A 777-300 with boosted MTOW? Boosting the MTOW would be quite limited, due to *current* powerplant limitations and the 777's twin bogey pavement loading limitations (not so much of a problem for the A340NGs with 3 bogey config).
OT: Future of the 747? The next 5 years will tell.
OT: Future of the A380? The next 20 years will tell.

Cheers,
DeanBNE


User currently offlineBaec777 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

I may say the B774 will be a smaller version of the -200 if there wasn't any B777-100 built. very small Range just like Boeing 744 Domestic is only 1805NM. Do you believe that...? So I think Boeing can make the B774 same as Domestic B744 series. If BOEING approves it or not...!!

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747-400d/product.html




mixed class
568 passengers
first class
24 passengers 39-inch pitch
economy class
544 passengers 32-inch pitch



baec777  Smile


User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

I personally would like to see a jet like that of a blended wing design. Really cool. Engines in the fuselarge like that of a trijet. Concorde like nacelles.
That should look really cool.  Smokin cool



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6208 times:

I agree with you about the A380 I mean in other post I have posted that the A380 is to large. But what else can they do with it I mean I guess they could start making an 747NG with the older models. Just becuase something is a milestone and is a huge part of history doesn't mean boeing is gonna keep the 747 forever.
It would be nice to see a new model but like I said I think the line will be cut within 10 years.

ps I would really like to see a 747SP-NG


User currently offlineILS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

A further stretch of the 777--perhaps a 777-400--would create a very cost-effective aircraft. Although Boeing denies it is seriously considering this option, a second 777 stretch would offer a lower-cost, "almost-as-capable" option for airlines eyeing the A380. Unless a carrier could fill the A380 with an 85% load and fly it at the outer end of its range, a 777-400 would be much more cost effective. The 777-400, would, in short, take much of the 747-400 replacement demand away from the A380.



User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

And you copied that from where???

King, 744 production is not going to continue because people think it is a "milestone". It is going to continue because it is a very efficient aircraft that has a whole market to itself. Boeing has said that they will continue production for a long time. it's not something people here are making up just because they like them!



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User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

Jean I think your taking my opinions way to personally here. Boeing has said that yes, but its all what the customers want. The only else that you can do with it is make it a full double decker like I said.

User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6174 times:

I am gonna stop posting about the 747 anyways as this was not the topic. Sorry Baec777 for bringing up another topic into your topic.

User currently offlineBaec777 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6109 times:

Dash8King, No Problems Big grin I was also thinking about the Boeing 744s.

No Worry.

baec777


25 Jean Leloup : King, for the record, i don't even LIKE the 747, so it's not about personal attachments! I just disagree with your assertion that the 747 will not las
26 Lutfi : If Boeing used sonic cruiser technology (engines and composites) to re wing and re engine the B777-300, it would have incredible seat/ mile costs. As
27 Joni : Lutfi, What do you base your assumptions on? A large part of costs are various people costs, which scale with size so it would be very difficult for
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