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MEX-NRT Non-stop Is It Possible And Profitable?  
User currently offlineTOMASKEMPNER From Mexico, joined May 2001, 389 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

I want to know if a 744, 772ER or 343 could fly from Mexico City to Tokyo, non-stop.

JL flies twice a week to MEX via YVR.
Besides, if flown nonstop, would it be a profitable route, considering there is a lot of japanese money invested in Mexico. On the other hand I heard that JL still flies to MEX thanks to the popularity of the MEX-YVR leg, because there are not many passengers continuing on to NRT

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User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

I have wondered that myself and have concluded that the market exists, but it goes through american hubs, mainly LAX and IAH. I don't have the slightiest doubt that a direct flight to Asia(Tokio or Seoul) would work, but I don't think anyone will take the risk anytime soon. Hell, if RG can do it why couldn't AM?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32601 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

AM744, RG does it because Brazil has one of the largest Japanesse immigrant populations in the world. None the less, I do think a market exists, Both are among the world's largest cities and they have some connection. Maybe in the future...


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6441 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

AM744,

How many passengers each day would Mexico and Japan each generate for a non-stop MEX-NRT. Please give your estimates individually.

MEX-NRT #
NRT-MEX #


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

I don't know. Maybe 200. Japan is the top Asian investor in Mexico. There's the cargo also. It might not be a nonstop and not even daily. Maybe a stop in SFO(without 5th freedom) would help to make it profitable. I think that there's MEX-Asia traffic but most of it goes through LAX. I don't have numbers to back my claims it's just a thought.

User currently offline777d From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

There is alot of cargo coming and going to MEX from Asia. There is a backlog of freight leaving and going to MEX from JALs system.

There is cargo volume but passenger loads? That is something that needs to be investigated. Perhaps flying the leg to MEX from SFO or LAX would generate more passengers or even having YVR-MEX (2 times a week), SFO-MEX (5 times a week) and LAX-MEX (5 times a week) JAL would clean up on the cargo and passenger loads since so many carriers fly from MEX to LAX and SFO (Bay Area.) JAL would defintely steal passengers and cargo with their wide body life from those cities.

My two cents....


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5215 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

AM should launch that service.

And give to JAL a little trouble with that route.

Don´t know how many freq´s JAL have to Mex, but I think they got 4.. AM could also have 4 freq´s, but instead of flying via YVR, they should try LAX and SFO. And maybe they should start introducing the B777!

Rich  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

Delta's daily nonstops between Los Angeles and Mexico City generally carried about 70 to 80 passengers a day connecting to Delta's NRT and NGO services from LAX. That's quite a few for one airline. When you add what UA/MX carried I'm sure it's enough to run a nonstop 777. Perhaps a NH/MX cooperative service of some sort might work, utilizing a NH 772ER. AM at the moment does not have any equipment that can make a MEX-NRT nonstop and does not have a Japanese partner.


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User currently offlineJonPaulGeoRngo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

I wonder if the elevation of Mexico City's airport has anything to do with its ability to offer nonstops to Asia.

A nonstop to Japan would be over 1,000 miles further than a nonstop to Germany.


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

If I am not mistaken TIJ has a route authority to Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, and I think Hong Kong. Asian, and especially Japanese companies have invested billions of dollars in maquiladoras in Baja California, and I think that there is a viable market for a flight to Asia. You'd probably even get some passengers from southern San Diego if they'd be willing to pass through immigration twice. Perhaps if AM gets larger planes, they could launch this route, going MEX-TIJ-NRT.

Or here's an idea: DL/UA wet-leases a 777 or Md-11 to partner AM/MX, and DL/UA run the flight with their own crews, etc. This is much like what American Airlines is planning to do with China Eastern for a flight to Shanghai.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineJapanguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Mhy not extend the service from LAS into MEX? Most likely, the current service is not cargo-intensive, freeing up cargo room for the MEX leg. Also, people tend not to care when they arrive in LAS, so the schedule could be set for the MEX and NRT sides. Thoughts?

User currently offlineCiro From Brazil, joined Aug 1999, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

I think marketing specialization is the key solution for making the Airline Industry profitable. Therefore, I can´t forsee Latino carriers flying to Asia.

No doubt there´s a market, but those passengers are more likely to connect through LAX or even DFW and JFK for the Eastern trips in the future.

The fact that VARIG and JAL are flying some Asia / Latin-America routes doesn´t mean it is big business. These airlines, for example, will be better off by strenghen their code-sharing agreements with ANA / UAL and AA, so each one can operate its specialized route.

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User currently offlineTOMASKEMPNER From Mexico, joined May 2001, 389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

AM could use a 767-200ER
that could easily fly MEX-YVR-NRT

I don´t know about the ETOPS, but AC flies 763 to PEK out of YVR.

Or 777-200ER MEX-TIJ-NRT

If done nonstop it would be a 15 hour flight aprox.



User currently offlineTOMASKEMPNER From Mexico, joined May 2001, 389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

The following routes could be flown on 767-200ER, considering that AM flies them nonstop to CDG (5716 mi)

7005 mi
MEX-LAX-NRT (1552 mi+5452 mi)

7005 mi
MEX-TIJ-NRT (1428 mi + 5576 mi)

7006 mi
MEX-SFO-NRT (1880 mi + 5125 mi)

7123 mi
MEX-YVR-NRT (2447mi + 4676 mi)

I think MX should consider the MEX-YVR-NRT route, they could codeshare with AC on both legs, and also with NH on the YVR-NRT leg.
MX canadian destinations are very popular and they feed quite well NH and JL flights to NRT and KIX out of LAX with mexicans from MEX, GDL and other major cities.


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