Dalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 891 times:
when did AN III change from 3-class to 2-class? I never thought the 3-class thing was going to be a goer anyway.
I think the new backers is tremendous news. Should give them enough financial clout to survive the torrid upcoming months.
I wonder how premium the new airline will be though and whether they are now going to go for DJ's jugular. To me it seems that the business plan may have altered a bit recently and they are heading more down the low cost carrier path.
As an aside there was a good article in today's "Herald-Sun" mentioning the future of the Tullamarine engineering facility and the likelihood of a pre-Christmas announcement that QF will allocate some work to the facility. There seem to be several options for MEL AN maintenance. They could go the staff buyout route, or try and team up with an International engineering firm or be bought out by another airline(QF?). Apparently Margaret Jackson believes QF may be excluded from bidding for these facilities.
Rmm From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 879 times:
We were told Fox bought the maintenance base (buildings only) in
case QF got hold of it and restricted his access to a maintenance
facility. I know he owns Avalon and Essendon but the consultants
he hired have told him it's not practical to fly aircraft to Avalon purely
for an overnight check.
At the moment it seems like SIAEC are the front runners.
Rmm From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 872 times:
I just read the article you mentioned. I think the reporter has
his wires crossed. Fox/Lew have signed a 2 year agreement
with AN engineering too service there aircraft. The biggest check
they'll need on the new aircraft is a 1C after approx 15 months.
This takes 3 days on AN's old aircraft. It would take just under
2 days on a 15 month old aircraft. I can't see them flying it
back to France for a 2 day check.
Wirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 870 times:
It should be noted that the additional routes planned
by Ansett III by the end of 2002 according to their
site, Virgin Blue only have to add: SYD-CNS, MEL-CNS,
SYD-DRW,MEL-HBT and SYD-ASP to be flying all the
AN routes planned, at this time VB would still be flying
to more destinations with their 24+ 737s, VB at present
have 16 aircraft with the next due in Jan, so !st of
Feb should be AN=16 - VB=17, there are at least
another 5 routes that VB could open without using
the SYD and MEL terminals, my safe prediction is that
2002 will be a record for the number of pax travelling
Mx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 858 times:
The media have got it wrong again, associating them with Ryanair and low cost carrier is incorrect.
The new A320's will be in 3 class config, just like the old AN A320's were in a way. You had a couple of rows of biz and a few more rows of convertible biz seats that were bigger and more comfortable than the ordinary eco ones.
Almost always GW's flying eco were seated in the convertible seats - this will be the same with the new A320's.
As for 'how' premium they go in the beginning is anyones guess. They intend to compete on premium grounds to get biz pax back. Since it will take a little while to lure them back I can imagine they will introduce full service then do a progressive marketing campaign for the frills.
Whatever strategy they take, I think the most important one they have covered is making sure they are cashed up.
One should imagine Tesna has some interesting and diverse strategies to attract pax back, including a cash trust to get the flying public confident that their AN flight will actually fly.
What do you think their strategy will be? Capacity dumps? Cheap ticket floods?
Wirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 852 times:
The Lew/Fox Ansett site says 2 class:
Fleet, product and service style
The Fox/Lew vision for Ansett will focus on providing world’s best practice service quality and will offer Australian air travellers an unmatched standard of in-flight service in a two class cabin configuration including Business Class and Main Cabin.
The new airline will be a premium quality full service airline primarily serving Australian frequent travellers.
Tullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1267 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 844 times:
The concept of Main Cabin gives a hint of where the Y class will be pitched. Expect to see IFE, comparatively good seat pitch and the like but also expect Euro style catering which probably isn't a great disadvantage since QF are moving to this anyway.
Dalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 830 times:
I think ANIII will use the whole spectrum of tactics to survive and make money. Obviously there will be a price war as DJ and AN slug it out and good ol' QF will be right in there too.
QF are the only ones with the capacity to "dump" on any route/routes, so possibly this tactic will be left to them.
No doubt AN will try and attract a greater cross-section than DJ and offering J-class allows them to do this and also increase yields.
QF will be able to hit them both as they will be operating 2-class aircraft on trunk routes and 1-class 737s on many other sectors, with the ability to mix and match should circumstances warrant.
One of DJ or ANIII will buckle if the price war becomes overly aggressive and sustained. Only one airline has the resources to survive these circumstances and it is QF.
Wirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 814 times:
I seem to remember August last year when VB started
with just 2 aircraft flying SYD-MEL, at that time Ansett
had some 70 odd aircraft and I think Impulse about
4 as well of course as QF, this and other forums
predicted that VB was not going to last 6 months,
today they have 15 routes with more to come and
again people are predicting their demise.
The Australian travelling public will decide if VB is
gone, and common sense tells me they realise if
VB goes down they will find themselves very quickly
paying $400 SYD-MEL etc, if you think they like
this idea after tasting the cream of low cost travel
then dream on.
Tullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1267 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 810 times:
Carmy, talk of a NZ/QF alliance is just that at the moment..talk. At this stage the NZ Gov't plan to hold onto NZ for a while. Down the track they may sell down to a cornerstone shareholder such as QF but not yet. There are also a number of competition issues that would need to be sorted out in NZ and Australia due to an alliance having a domestic monopoly in NZ and a trans-Tasman monopoly. QF seems to have the ear of the Australian government so this may not be a huge issue but once again we'll have to wait and see.
Dale is right when he says QF has the greatest strength to withstand another domestic bloodbath but even they would have little appetite for it at the moment given the losses they "claim" to be suffering on their international services. The jittery share price this week shows how much the market fears the damage a domestic price war could do to QF. Whilst currently cash rich they have the highest cost structure of the 3 so their ability to discount before entering a loss situation is less. Having said that, their virtual monopoly of high yield business pax does offer some protection in a price war. QF's biggest threat would be an attack on high yield pax by AN3.