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Aloha And Hawaiian To Merge  
User currently offlineBaxter From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3301 times:

Rumor or fact? Go figure.

http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/hon/money/stories/money-113179620011218-211251.html

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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2937 times:

Sounds legit to me. Guess we'll know come Wednesday afternoon. I wouldn't be all surprised if Aloha were to merge into Hawaiian. Hawaiian is the stronger of the two. Regards.


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineElal106 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 975 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2911 times:

I smell a merger or buyout coming!!!!!!!!!!

User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2891 times:

great move! Why have 2 airlines there and both struggle when you can combine efforts and make some profit?

-Peace In-
174thfwff


User currently offlineFTraveler From United States of America, joined May 2001, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

Great! More airline industry jobs lost and consumers will definitely get screwed. No more inter-island competition means higher fares. There are no freeways, trains or buses to get from one island to another - you have to fly.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

Sounds like a monopoly to me.
Didn't the same thing happen in Alaska?
Are they happier now with just one airline?


I'll really miss those Aloha Dash-8s.  Sad



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineBaxter From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Further information says this might be linked to Coleman Andrews, Greg Brenneman and the Texas-Pacific group headed by David Bonderman.

User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1064 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

I guess this is why Aloha pilots were at Long Beach not long ago.


I can drive faster than you
User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1753 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2712 times:
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It'll be great to see some 737 in Hawaiian's colors.


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

This must mean that Hawaii will HAVE to allow other carriers (i.e. AA, UA, etc.) to offer inter-island service. Someone can correct me, but isn't it prohibited right now that nobody can offer scheduled interisland service with the exception of Aloha and Hawaiian?

I thought I recalled reading that somewhere.


User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Now thats a monopoly, Hawaiian charges the higher fare of the two also. Anyways US carriers can carry passengers interisland as it is. But they will most likely choose not to as the majority of them have codeshare agreements with Hawaiian or Aloha. The only route I believe that has other carriers is OGG-HNL-OGG, and thats with Delta and ATA.

User currently offlineJetBlue320 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

Hmmmm, This is rather odd. I am guessing that Hawaiian will return the 737NG to Boeing Deeming it Useless against their own fleet. The props will go too. It will just be more money coming to Hawaiian, and they will probably order a few more 717, and 767-300 Aircraft. There is no need to keep Aloha's 737s when Hawaiian has their own 717, and 767-300 fleet. Think about it. Currently, Hawaiian has 717 INTER-ISLAND Service and 767-300 OVERWATER Service. Aloha has DASH 8 Inter-Island Service, and 737 OVERWATER service. I do not think Hawaiian will be sending Narrowbodies overwater, and they will not want 737s when they have brand-new 717s Inter-Island. They might trade the 737s in for some 717s to match with Fleet Commonality. I Guess what I am trying to say is. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE A 737 IN HAWAIIANs COLORS.

User currently offlineJason Seiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

Jacob,
Actually Aloha flies B737-200's interisland and the B737NG's go to the mainland. Most of Aloha's B737's are interisland, flying the same routes as Hawaiian B717's. The props fly into small markets that either could not support a jet aircraft or where it is impossible for a jet aircraft to take-off due to runway length, obstructions, etc.

Overwater narrowbodies are great for thin markets. If this goes through, why would the new airline drop the B737NG's when they can operate to secondary cities on the US west coast?


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

If Hawaiian got rid of the 737's it is likely they would have to stop serving markets such as SNA (which can't support 767s) and OAK. The 737's fill a valuable niche in the fleet.

User currently offlineElal106 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 975 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

hey Rlwynn,

How did you know there were aloha pilots at long beach recently?


elal106


User currently offlineWoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

Hmmm.......I dont see the 737NG fitting very well w/the Hawaiian fleet. Did anyone notice that on that web page (The Hawaii Channell) they listed the fleet of Aloha of only being made up of 737-200s and 737-200QCs? They didnt even mention the -700s or the Dash-8s.

I had recently read that Aloha's Oakland service wasnt making them any money for one reason or another, so maybe its a pink elephant that needn't be kept on life support anyway??

Anyway, I just cant see any of the 737-200s being kept, its a heavy gas hog when compared to the 717. Does Aloha use any of their 737-200QCs for cargo? Maybe they would keep those although Alaska Airlines must be salivating at the prospect of US operated 737-200QCs potentially becoming available. This whole situation could very well (almost certainly) mean more 717 orders at a time when they need those orders!


User currently offlinePSU_DTW_SCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

The Dash-8's are owned by Island Air, a completely different carrier than Aloha. They have an affiliation with Aloha, but are not the same. Island Air would remain as they provide valuable air service into airports such as Princeville, West Maui, Hana, Lanai, and Molokai. Hawaiian serves Molokai and Lanai with a 717 twice daily, but nowhere near the frequency than is required in those markets where Island Air fills in the void.

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

I think you folks are forgetting that only ALOHA hits some far-reaching cities with the 737-700s and -200s using ETOPS, something the 717 isn't certified for.

It will take a year to make HA/AQ come together in one piece....

-nate


User currently offline762er From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 542 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Brenneman will get the job done. He is an excellent leader and he can bring employees together. Just look at what he did for Continental.

User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

i guess that the 737-700's will be kept for the services to easter island and midway islands

jj


User currently offlineBoeingmd82 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

I actually do see the B737 staying in the Hawaiian fleet after the merger.

If United or AA do not get into the inter-island business, we are going to see the need for aircraft larger than the 717 needed on heavy routes to OGG and LIH.

Right now, if you look at the schedule, Hawaiian and Aloha have flights leaving almost the same time to keep up with demand. That means that after the merger, Hawaiian would need to schedule 2 717s for the same route at the same time. Wouldn't it be more efficient and cheaper just to put a 1 B737-800 on the route and fly just one plane? The mixed fleet thing should not be a factor if you ask me. They have all the expertise and equipment in-house already to maintain the 737s.

Of course the United question could change everything. They have wanted to get into the inter-island business for a while and with Aloha gone, they might jump at the chance.

Just my 2c.

BMD82


User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 984 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

On the interisland service..any airline can offer service.

Heard this on KITV this morning...they gave the rumor that Greg B from Continental might be a part of new management.

The news also reported that HA would assume all of AQ's debt.

Back in the day (1990s) UAL flew DC-10s between the islands. Something like the LAX flight would arrive at noon, then fly OGG-HNL, KOA-HNL and then fly the red eye back to LAX. That wasn't the exact schedule, but just an example.

Most of the traffic yeild is being depleted since carriers like AA and UA are flying direct service to smaller islands, so the use of a connection carrier is not as important.

I know Island Air is operated as a seperate carrier, but they are owned by Aloha Air Group.


User currently offlineWoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Yes, I guess the 737-700 would still be needed for the S. Pacific flying that serves destinations with no need for a 767-300. I think alot of are getting caught up in the "fleet commonality" that many airlines are getting into and sometimes you just cant avoid having different types of a/c with different jobs.

Who knows, maybe the 717 will get a range extension and maybe even a stretch. HA's need for alonger range a/c might be what launches a 717-300?! We know the MD-82 is capable of flying segments like LAX or SFO to HNL carrying more pax than a 737-700 so the 717 with more efficient engines could easily be stretched to do the same job.


User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

It's for real now!!!!


You mad Bro???
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Kinda funny in a way, because I remember how weak Hawaiian used to be and if I remember correctly, they have declared bankruptcy once. Maybe Southwest will start a division over there to give Hawaiian some competition !!
ha ha !!

Jay


25 Dragon-wings : Aloha, Hawaiian airlines to merge By CBS.MarketWatch.com Last Update: 7:11 PM ET Dec. 19, 2001 HONOLULU -- Hawaii's two inter-island airlines announce
26 Dragon-wings : Here is a better written story about the merger: Aloha, Hawaiian to Merge Airline Industry Leader Greg Brenneman to Head Combined Company HONOLULU--(B
27 Post contains images JetBlue320 : Hmm, I wonder if this is a sign. What a Cowinkydinky.
28 SFOintern : What are the ramifications for the alliances? Hopefully, the new entity will stick with U N I T E D as its partner... SFO
29 Post contains links and images ILS : Click for large versionPhoto © Chris Banyai-Riepl
30 LGB Photos : I guess my shots of the Hawaiian and Aloha will become rare depending on which airline makes it.
31 Trvlr : My thoughts: Aircraft: The 737-200s will go (or become dedicated freighters), the 737NGs will stay, and as more 767-300s become available, we'll proba
32 Hawaiian717 : My own thoughts and feelings that I've been churning through my head all day... Hawaiian's fleet will make up the backbone of the new carrier, the 717
33 Jj : What name will the new airline have???? Perhaps it could be called: Aloha "Hawaiian Airlines" jj
34 Lindy field : I wouldn't be surprised to see Aloha's 737-200s phased out and replaced by an additional number of 717s. They probably don't need to replace the 732s
35 LGB Photos : Well I have heard that Hawaiian does want another 5 717s to add to their fleet and they have told Boeing that as well. Now I wonder if they plan on ke
36 Lindy field : Why should the merged carriers cease ops to SNA or OAK if the operations are profitable? Plenty of carriers fly to OAK, SJC, and SFO from the same hub
37 LGB Photos : It was just a thought that ran through my head. Sometimes airlines do things like that. Don't ask me why. Stephen
38 Post contains links HNL-Jack : Here's the official release: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > Wednesday, December 19, 2001 > Contact: > Stu Glauberman, Aloha Airgroup, (808) 539-5947 > Keoni
39 Baxter : Looks like airliners.net scooped the major news sources on this, especially the Brenneman connection.
40 RJ_Delta : Good for the hawaiian airlines, which will be the name of the new airline? Maybe Hawaiian Airlines. Regards, RJ_Delta.
41 Mlsrar : I'll try to keep this civil, but I've yet to see one mention of an aircraft that has been considered by AQ for a while if their traffic picks up and s
42 PSU_DTW_SCE : If they do indeed merge which is their plan now, to at least attempt to go through with this, why would AQ pick up 757's before this went through?
43 Post contains images Hoffa : SO serving a warm cookie is characterized as having "aplomb" Aren't Hawaiian and Aloha very different animals from their mainland counterparts? Firstl
44 Hawaiian717 : Hawaiian has actually had the authority to operate OGG-NRT (that's Kahului, Maui to Tokyo/Narita) for a few years now. But they never started service
45 Post contains links T prop : This paragraph is clipped from yesterdays New York times; 'Another challenge will be combining fleets. Aloha flies Boeing (news/quote) 737's while Ha
46 762er : They may use ETOPS 75's to compliment Aloha's service to secondary cities on the West Coast.
47 Twa902fly : I believe TWA flew HNL-STL with 757s for a couple months so could we not see services like HNL-DEN, HNL-MCI.. i doubt that would happen but still twa9
48 Superfly : I am sooooo glad I flew to Hawaii last year on United's 747-200s, Aloha's 737-200s and Dash 8s (inter-Island). How much longer will Hawaiian use the D
49 Post contains links and images Aloha 737-200 : I'm not sure what to think or say, this is a complete shock to me. My whole life I've wanted to fly for Aloha, and now they're going to be gone. I tru
50 Post contains images Superfly : I'll really miss the one on the left!
51 Post contains images Aloha 737-200 : I'll miss everything about Aloha. The smiles, the colors, the faces, the planes. The routes, the thrill of flying on them, a thrill I will never have.
52 Superfly : Aloha 737-200: I share your sorror over this. Aloha is a great Airline and I really like there 737-200s. I flew them summer 2000 HNL-Hilo and back as
53 Jj : Aloha 737-200: You said you'll miss anything 'bout ALOHA. You'll miss the male F/A's too??? j/k jj
54 Jj : Aloha 737-200: Forgot to ask you, when did Aloha operate the dc-10's, and in which routes?? jj
55 JetBlue320 : Well, I wish I could say the same, But I am a Hawaiian Air freak, but I will miss those wonderful CEGAR Engines on Alohas 737-200s, and I will miss th
56 Post contains links and images Aloha 737-200 : Which new livery, Hawaiian's? I bet they keep Hawaiian't colors as they are, if they don't change the name. JJ, early in the 1980s Aloha leased one DC
57 Post contains images Aloha 737-200 : Question: Does anyone know if the merger will create a new name for Hawaiian, or will it just be Hawaiian Airlines? I'd love to see an "Aloha Hawaiian
58 ContinentalEWR : I think the newly merged company will keep the 737-700's to operate flights to SNA and OAK and possibly add another West Coast city, like PHX. As for
59 Post contains links and images Aloha 737-200 : Yep, the pop-top Aloha convertible. That was bakc in the 80s when Aloha's maintenance wasn't that great. They've taken alot better care of their 732s
60 Penguinflies : Anyone reading the editorials...everyone is screaming bloody monopoly already...except for several consultants who are saying that the island market w
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