FTraveler From United States of America, joined May 2001, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2865 times:
Great! More airline industry jobs lost and consumers will definitely get screwed. No more inter-island competition means higher fares. There are no freeways, trains or buses to get from one island to another - you have to fly.
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2693 times:
This must mean that Hawaii will HAVE to allow other carriers (i.e. AA, UA, etc.) to offer inter-island service. Someone can correct me, but isn't it prohibited right now that nobody can offer scheduled interisland service with the exception of Aloha and Hawaiian?
Adam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2688 times:
Now thats a monopoly, Hawaiian charges the higher fare of the two also. Anyways US carriers can carry passengers interisland as it is. But they will most likely choose not to as the majority of them have codeshare agreements with Hawaiian or Aloha. The only route I believe that has other carriers is OGG-HNL-OGG, and thats with Delta and ATA.
JetBlue320 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2683 times:
Hmmmm, This is rather odd. I am guessing that Hawaiian will return the 737NG to Boeing Deeming it Useless against their own fleet. The props will go too. It will just be more money coming to Hawaiian, and they will probably order a few more 717, and 767-300 Aircraft. There is no need to keep Aloha's 737s when Hawaiian has their own 717, and 767-300 fleet. Think about it. Currently, Hawaiian has 717 INTER-ISLAND Service and 767-300 OVERWATER Service. Aloha has DASH 8 Inter-Island Service, and 737 OVERWATER service. I do not think Hawaiian will be sending Narrowbodies overwater, and they will not want 737s when they have brand-new 717s Inter-Island. They might trade the 737s in for some 717s to match with Fleet Commonality. I Guess what I am trying to say is. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE A 737 IN HAWAIIANs COLORS.
Jason Seiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2653 times:
Actually Aloha flies B737-200's interisland and the B737NG's go to the mainland. Most of Aloha's B737's are interisland, flying the same routes as Hawaiian B717's. The props fly into small markets that either could not support a jet aircraft or where it is impossible for a jet aircraft to take-off due to runway length, obstructions, etc.
Overwater narrowbodies are great for thin markets. If this goes through, why would the new airline drop the B737NG's when they can operate to secondary cities on the US west coast?
Woodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2614 times:
Hmmm.......I dont see the 737NG fitting very well w/the Hawaiian fleet. Did anyone notice that on that web page (The Hawaii Channell) they listed the fleet of Aloha of only being made up of 737-200s and 737-200QCs? They didnt even mention the -700s or the Dash-8s.
I had recently read that Aloha's Oakland service wasnt making them any money for one reason or another, so maybe its a pink elephant that needn't be kept on life support anyway??
Anyway, I just cant see any of the 737-200s being kept, its a heavy gas hog when compared to the 717. Does Aloha use any of their 737-200QCs for cargo? Maybe they would keep those although Alaska Airlines must be salivating at the prospect of US operated 737-200QCs potentially becoming available. This whole situation could very well (almost certainly) mean more 717 orders at a time when they need those orders!
PSU_DTW_SCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2595 times:
The Dash-8's are owned by Island Air, a completely different carrier than Aloha. They have an affiliation with Aloha, but are not the same. Island Air would remain as they provide valuable air service into airports such as Princeville, West Maui, Hana, Lanai, and Molokai. Hawaiian serves Molokai and Lanai with a 717 twice daily, but nowhere near the frequency than is required in those markets where Island Air fills in the void.
Boeingmd82 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2475 times:
I actually do see the B737 staying in the Hawaiian fleet after the merger.
If United or AA do not get into the inter-island business, we are going to see the need for aircraft larger than the 717 needed on heavy routes to OGG and LIH.
Right now, if you look at the schedule, Hawaiian and Aloha have flights leaving almost the same time to keep up with demand. That means that after the merger, Hawaiian would need to schedule 2 717s for the same route at the same time. Wouldn't it be more efficient and cheaper just to put a 1 B737-800 on the route and fly just one plane? The mixed fleet thing should not be a factor if you ask me. They have all the expertise and equipment in-house already to maintain the 737s.
Of course the United question could change everything. They have wanted to get into the inter-island business for a while and with Aloha gone, they might jump at the chance.
Penguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2456 times:
On the interisland service..any airline can offer service.
Heard this on KITV this morning...they gave the rumor that Greg B from Continental might be a part of new management.
The news also reported that HA would assume all of AQ's debt.
Back in the day (1990s) UAL flew DC-10s between the islands. Something like the LAX flight would arrive at noon, then fly OGG-HNL, KOA-HNL and then fly the red eye back to LAX. That wasn't the exact schedule, but just an example.
Most of the traffic yeild is being depleted since carriers like AA and UA are flying direct service to smaller islands, so the use of a connection carrier is not as important.
I know Island Air is operated as a seperate carrier, but they are owned by Aloha Air Group.
Woodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
Yes, I guess the 737-700 would still be needed for the S. Pacific flying that serves destinations with no need for a 767-300. I think alot of are getting caught up in the "fleet commonality" that many airlines are getting into and sometimes you just cant avoid having different types of a/c with different jobs.
Who knows, maybe the 717 will get a range extension and maybe even a stretch. HA's need for alonger range a/c might be what launches a 717-300?! We know the MD-82 is capable of flying segments like LAX or SFO to HNL carrying more pax than a 737-700 so the 717 with more efficient engines could easily be stretched to do the same job.
JayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2351 times:
Kinda funny in a way, because I remember how weak Hawaiian used to be and if I remember correctly, they have declared bankruptcy once. Maybe Southwest will start a division over there to give Hawaiian some competition !!
ha ha !!
: Aloha, Hawaiian airlines to merge By CBS.MarketWatch.com Last Update: 7:11 PM ET Dec. 19, 2001 HONOLULU -- Hawaii's two inter-island airlines announce
: Here is a better written story about the merger: Aloha, Hawaiian to Merge Airline Industry Leader Greg Brenneman to Head Combined Company HONOLULU--(B
: Hmm, I wonder if this is a sign. What a Cowinkydinky.
: What are the ramifications for the alliances? Hopefully, the new entity will stick with U N I T E D as its partner... SFO