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Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Hey guys!!!!!

The B 747 has been a big success for more than 30 years. Boeing is now launching a beefed up B 747-400 called the B 747-400ER (Extended Range) and is prepared to build larger versions of the B 747, if customers indicate that there is a need.....

Yet, there are airlines which are extremely interested in the B 747-400ER, as Boeing has stated sometime ago. It nicely fill up the gap between a B 777-300ER and the A 380. There is a market which requires an aircraft that carries more passengers than the B 777-300ER, but less than the A 380.

Newer versions of the B 747 must be made extremely cost effective, and advance, in order to compete with airliners in the newer generation....

Is there a chance that the B 747 will return to its former glory? That is, a production rate that is as high as in the early 90s.....

Comments?

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User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Probably not thanks to Mr Bin Laden and it seems that airlines are looking at the B777s now... spend less on fuel? But who knows in future?

alvin



Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

I don't think the Crisis will last for a very long time...... I am confident that the Economy will improve after sometime........

I strongly believe that Boeing should produce a beefed up B 747-400 which is a lot more cost effective.


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10699 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

If you can fill a 744 its actually more fuel efficient than a 777!
The A380 and the the top-versions of the smaller 773/A346 will limit the future order numbers of the Jumbo Jet, there´s no way out. But they´ll recover from the current slump.
That the 744 order book isn´t too impressive these days is mainly because of most airlines have enough quite new Jumbos flying. Its not like the 777 that had a lot of its recent success because airlines needed to replace all those old DC-10s, Tristars and early 747s. When a major part of the current 744 fleet needs replacement later this decade the sales numbers will increase again and that is the time Boeuing plans to offer a new, "greener" 747-version.
Btw, the 777 program suffered a lot more than the 747 program because of Bin Ladens horrible fireworks. Look at the steep drop in order numbers compared to 2000/2001! The 744 didn´t suffer that much.


User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Well, a B747 can carry more than a B777 can, and if it can be filled up fully, I think it still brings profit for the airline company even if it burns a lot more fuel but considering it can carry much more. The B747 is the Queen of the Skies and I don't think they will change for sometime to come.

alvin



Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Remember, the B 747-400 is the ONLY aircraft that has not recieved a single cancellation of order.



User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3118 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2125 times:
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I think Boeing will sell perhaps 50-100 of them over the next five years, but the 777 and A380 will both take orders away from the 747-400. In other words, I think the 747 program is in late middle-age. It hasn't reached the twilight years yet, but soon.

User currently offlineRwy31R From Saudi Arabia, joined Aug 2001, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

It's my understanding that BA differed 744 orders to 772??  Sad

Regards
744 all the way!



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Its in a mid-life crisis!

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Former glory? ? Yeah sure

When did the lustre start to fade? Did I miss something?


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

I have to agree, when did the 747 lose its luster? Obviously it is not the only widebody on the block anymore, but its still the "Top Dog". Boeing recently said that they will be producing 747s for 30 years.


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

Well said CX747! I love the B 747 a lot!!!!!  Smile

Boeing recently said that they will be producing B 747s for at least 30 years. And actually, the Former Vice Chairman of Cathay Pacific, Patrick Tsai, said that the B 747 remain in Cathay's fleet for at least 25 years...... In fact, Cathay Pacific may order new B 747s in the future. Interesting.........  Smile

I hope other airlines like JAL, United, Air Canada, British Airways, Air France, Ansett 2 etc will order the B 747-400ER in the future.....


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

United Airline,

What do you mean that the 747-400 is the only aircraft not to have suffered any cancellations?

Do you mean ever, or in the current year?

Either way you are not correct.

Hamlet69



Honor the warriors, not the war.
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

After 9.11......... I mean

User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

After 9/11/01, the only confirmed cancellations are:

2 A320
1 A330-200
1 A340-300
1 767-300ER
4 767-400ER

For the year, these models have yet to have any cancellations:

A318
A321
A340-200 (no outstanding orders)
A340-500
A340-600 (Flightlease/Swissair order yet to be confirmed)
737-600
737-800
757-500
all 747
767-200(ER)
all 777

Hamlet69



Honor the warriors, not the war.
User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

The Boeing 747 is an aviation icon . . . agree with members who feel it has never lost its glory or lustre. So there is no 'former glory' to talk about.

Boeing's plans for the growth versions of the B747 is akin to a roller-coaster ride, or playing peek-a-boo. On the board today, cancelled tomorrow . . . not sure major airlines will take another look at it after all the on-offs by Boeing.

I for one would love to see new and improved versions of the B747 for a very long time to come. It is a great plane! Deserving of the title "Queen of the Skies".

KC Sim
Bangkok


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

I am sure orders for the B 747 will rise again in the future...... It is an excellent aircraft.

User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

yeah check the headlines on this fine site!  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

yeah check the headlines on this fine site!  Big thumbs up
http://www.boeing.com



Pershoyu Spravoyu Litaki!
User currently offlineNotar520AC From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1606 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

LONG LIVE THE JUMBO JET!!!


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User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

As long as they keep refining the design, there will always be somewhat of a market for the plane. I agree with others that the 773, A346 and the A380 are all eating into its market share, but a substantial portion remains. I think they'll need to work on increasing the range, fuel efficiency, and noise levels, some of which they are now addressing. I just wonder how much fine-tuning they can do before it's necessary to redesign the wing shape and do other major structural adjustments. It would be nice to see it stretched just a little, enough for another 30-50 pax, so it could nip at the bottom end of the A380 market. But maybe in another ten years, Boeing will decide to build the 800 pax BWB and leapfrog the A380 instead, leaving the 747 where it is. So many changing considerations, it's hard to know what the builders will do.


It is not enough to be rude; one must also be incorrect.
User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Really ncie to hear good words of my favourite plane. Thank you.  Smile

alvin



Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

The 747 will live for a long time to come yet!
Eventually it will be good if they do strech it a little more but at the moment I can't really see that happening to this great aircraft. I love the 747 and it is great to see boeing continuing to improve it!  Smile


User currently offlineKAL_LM From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 497 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

Return...?
I didn't think it ever went away or diminished!

It is a solid, dependable, and well tested workhorse, it isn't going anywhere for a long time...

Look at such beasts as the DC-8 and 727, they may not be in pax service anymore, but they still haul a ton of freight. The future of the 747 may see the decline of its use in pax service (10-25 years down the road), but it will still be a freighter for extra years after that.

We'll be seeing 747s for a long time!

Regards,
Tom



is that a light at the end of the tunnel or just a train?
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

I think the B 747 will remain in service for pax use for a VERY long time to come........

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