Aamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1054 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1674 times:
Its always going to be the same, the national carrier of the USA is always the target. Remember Pan American. That was the largest at the time of Lockerbie, or was seen as the most important anyway, so it naturally became a target. What do you suggest for them? become a small two-bit operation that noone cares about? Because that seems to be the only way to avoid being targeted. The crash was as any other airline crash, once investigated we will realise there were more than one problem / cause of the crash.
We will have to see how it all turns out.
Airplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1621 times:
There's not a whole lot that they can do in the short term about the seats. It would be very expensive for AA to not be flying ALL of TWA's aircraft while they installed new seats. What would the point in buying TWA have been if AA didn't use any of their planes for a little while? I think that AA will update the TWA aircraft as time goes on, one by one. It would be really disappointing to have to sit in one of TWA's first class seats if you were expecting and AA one, but I think soon enough the TWA seats will be gone.
Jason Seiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1571 times:
As AA737-823 said,
The routes where TWA B767's are flying are not ones where AA would operate an aircraft with the sleeper seats like you pictured. Actually TWA's B767's have a nicer first class than some of AA's B767's.
Blink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5455 posts, RR: 19 Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1464 times:
I think you could tell which airline it would be operated by if you wanted to purchase a business class ticket. If you wanted a business class ticket and they sold one to you. That means 1 of 2 things-
a) The aircraft is reconfigured
b) it is an AA aircraft.
If they deny you a business class ticket because there isn't business class on the flight. That means it is a TWA aircraft.
If you are flying out of STL, I am not sure if AA has put any of their own widebodies in STL for sched service yet.
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
AA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 58 Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1438 times:
dont get your panties in a wad man, that 1st class AA seat is on the 777, thats one of the nicer seats... that 767 TWA seat is alright... it beats a coach seat.. and for AA being a death trap... its in the hot seat right now, every little move is being monitored... so you will hear about everything, i dont think AA will go down...
Railmatt From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 212 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1364 times:
Last I checked on AA'a website they are not currently offering an international First Class product on TWA's last transatlantic route, STL-LGW. Business Class passengers will enjoy TWA's TransWorld First Cabin with 60" pitch, personal video monitor, leg rests, and so on.
FTraveler From United States of America, joined May 2001, 72 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1339 times:
AA has had a run of bad luck lately, but I wouldn't attribute it to negligence on the part of management or employees. I hope they survive and thrive. We need strong competition in this country. Look at the poor folks in Hawaii. With the merger of the two dominant carriers, Hawaiian and Aloha, in a few years the cost of inter-island travel per mile will probably be the highest in the world.
AKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2139 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1287 times:
What an ignorant post you have made. All of TWA's aircraft were two-class aircraft. If you knew anything about travel industry booking codes you would know that AA's 'International' First class is in a booking class by itself. There is no way that TWA's product could be substituted.
Mikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1263 times:
Yea...I gotta agree with AA737-823 (and every other AA defender)...An airline, as a matter of economic survivability must integrate the TWA aircraft into the AA master routing schedule. Further it costs millions of dollars to retrofit a single airplane to make it look and feel like an AA A/C. They now need to apply for an STC from the FAA, and go dsown the engineering road of getting certification on the TWA type aircraft. I'm sure the people in AA's network management group and aircraft scheduling are trying everything possible to sequestor AA aircraft on international routes over TWA aircraft.
First of all, the way AA's 767 F/C cabin is laid out, it would be impossible for the flagshuop suite to be installed. The "conference room" seats, where up to 4 people could sit and chat with each other is designed to be for 2 people to enter from each aisle, and then swivel to see each other. The AA 767 F/C has a 2-1-2 configuration. If you placed a flagship suite DBL on the outboard portion of the aircraft, the window passenger would have no way of getting in or out of the seat. Major egress violation.
Second, the first flagship suite didn't leave the manufacturers plant until roughly summer last year. Due to the complexity of the seat design, the lack of electrical provisioning that most 767's have been originally delivered from Boeing, and the amount of dollars it costs to do a project of this nature, you probably won't see it on an AA767. That doesn't mean it can't get on a 767, but I highly doubt it happened this fast. If there is an AA person on here who can correct me on this, please do so!
Mikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1184 times:
Blink182...thats a possibility however it would be extremely expensive to do that because they need to modify the seat in order for it to fit into the 767 fuselage. This mod would be extremely expensive since the leg spacing on the two A/C type are completely different. You would need to drill additional holes in the baseframe tubing to re-adjust the legs. Then you would need to shear off the ends of the tubing because the width would be to long to keep a 2x2x2 configuration and maintain FAA mandated aisle widths. After that, the seat back would need to modified to accomodate the new pax width by either shaving the foam underneath the dress covers down to an acceptable width, or worse yet, replacing the current back structure for a narrower one. Finally, you'd need to get certification testing performed on the modified seat and STC the seat on the aircraft. The nice thing about the 767-300ER is that it doesn't require 16G dynamic testing unlike the 777.
No, they probably haven't changed their 767 config, or they are getting new seats with asthetics (dress covers, cushions, end bays) that look like the interim 777 seat, or most likely they are just re-dressing their current design.
Blink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5455 posts, RR: 19 Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1156 times:
I have seen the new First Class seats on the 763. They kept it as a 2-1-2 configuration. However, the seats looked a lot like the original 777 seats. They probably have the modifications(screws, width, etc) of the old 763 seats.
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
Mikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2 Reply 25, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1109 times:
heck I can dress up anything to look like that...all i have to do is get the right molds for the endbays and the center console, find some leather and fabric dress covers for the cushioning and asthetics, and I'm all set!
There are 4 different model seats on DL's first class domestic product, but they all look the same! You don't chop up a center double to create a center single seat. The stress risers on tubes would cause reliability issues at half the normal time of where. Further, modifying the seat is extremely labor intensive with relatively no savings on the parts department. Your mod costs would rise to equal that of your new product costs and now you have no warranty on a used product. Not very economically feasible.