HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1983 times:
God I hate second guessing or rumors...
I almost gather that AA painted some 717's in full AA colors could be a good sign for the 717. I believe that at one time AA said they would not order the 717 further after the AA/TWA merger. AA may turn out liking the 717 as a MD-80 replacement for those routes that the MD-80 covers. A lot of people think a smaller 737 as the other candidate. We're talking AA so most likely we will not see an A318 in AA colors.
I like all airplanes so I could care less what I saw in AA colors whether it is the unlikely A318, 737 (600-700) or the 717. For the sake of the Long Beach workers jobs though it would be cool for AA to order the 717 because an order of 150-250 717's from AA would keep the production lines going.
Airblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1961 times:
No way for Alitalia.
After they will get money with the recapitalization they will order a regional jet, probably Embraer 170 and 195 in order to have a RJ family from 70 till 100 seats (now they also have ERJ-145). In this case they don't need B717 and A318.
FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1944 times:
Some of the carriers that I can see ordering the 717 in the future.
American - Maybe 2 or 3 dozen more on top of the 30 from TWA, to start replacing the Fokker 100s.
Delta - An excellent replacement for their 737-200s.
Hawaiian - Of course. They have 13 & they want more.
Midwest Express - Yep. At least 20 ships for them.
Northwest - They'll probably start with a small order, as their DC-9s can't last forever. The A318 is too heavy.
Just my educated guesses, folks. Regards.
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4146 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1898 times:
JetBlue320, not be too sure about your statements. I see a very real chance, especially for the 928JET, to win this order. This plane is part of a family, has a big potential for a further strech which is already evaluated and is 3-5 mio BUCKs cheaper to buy than the B717-200 but is lighter and offers a wider cabine.
Lowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1843 times:
I could see NW getting the 712 over the Dornier 928/728/whatever. The 712 offers already guaranteed reliability and great fuel burn. Current operators are reporting about a 25% decrease in fuel burn than the DC9(If they operated them previously).
I have heard rumors about CoEx ordering the 711 lite if it is launched.
Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2457 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1824 times:
There's another possible customer for the 717: Air Canada.
The 717 would be an excellent replacement for the 737-200s that AC eventually wants to get rid of. The same goes for the DC-9-30 as well.
But trouble is, I doubt that Air Canada will ever do this. It's probably more likely that it'll look at the A318, despite it being less economical to operate on short-haul routes than the 717. It seems to be a commonality thing (AC has A319s and A320s and is adding A321s to its fleet), and not to mention that it might be cheaper not to have to train pilots to use a completely new a/c when another more compatible a/c can be ordered.
QF717 From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1812 times:
Qantas has been pushing an all-economy drive recently, and has been adding DASH-8s to it's QantasLink subsidiaries.
There is also the question of expanding NZ operations, and the 717 has been rumoured to be a reasonable fit over there. There have been rumors for about a year now of possibly moving the existing 717s to NZ for a reborn QFNZ.
The 717s continue to serve QF very well on it's holiday routes from the southern capitals north to the Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast, as well as servicing Tasmanian cities. It is a great replacement here for the 142s and 143s previously operated on the routes.
They are staffed by Impulse/Airconnex workers, providing a degree of operational savings to QF as well.
With the arrival through early 2002 of the fmr AA order for 738s, older 733s are being retired -- perhaps an opening there for 717s.
So -- wouldn't be shocked to hear of a handful of new 717s in the next couple of years for QF, although would think they're fairly well set for the next year or so.
Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3850 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1801 times:
"Austrian" in fact nowadays includes Austrian Airlines, Tyrolean, Lauda Air and Rheintalflug and I guess they will make one order for all of them. That effectively rules out the stand-alone Boeing 717-200 since they need something that could replace Tyrolean DHC8-100s/300s, Tyrolean/Austrian Fokker 70s. Austrian group also has some "criticla" airports like Innsbruck or Altenrhein from where a B717 cannot operate.
So what is a likely choice ? Tyrolean and Lauda have already CanRJs, but although Tyrolean is a loyal Bombardier customer I doubt that they will go for a CanRJ200/700/900 solution, having in mind that they operate the much more comfortable Fokker 70 and probably will not go back to a flying pencil. Rheintalflug has ERJ145s and options on a ERJ170, but those were ordered before Austrian took Rheintalflug over.
My guess is they go for the FairchildDornier family and maybe keep the Lauda Air 737-600s for the upper end of the range.
Rwy31R From Saudi Arabia, joined Aug 2001, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1769 times:
I would love to confirm what you heared but I doubt it. SV doesnt purchase planes out of the blue they usually make a fatty order every decade at least. they just completed thier fleet (61 acft.. IMO not even close to enough). They have MD-90 doin all thier short routes, really dont see the 717 in that! I would love to see it and some 736.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16212 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1756 times:
I had heard the same comment a couple of years ago that SV was interested in the 717 to replace the remaining 732 fleet. Seems the MD-90 can't operate out of some of the 732 markets. I recall they also looked at the BAe ARJ. I've heard nothing since.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1727 times:
I think that Airtran will convert some more options to orders on the 717 this year, the same for Hawaiian/Aloha. I also heard that SV is evaluating the 717, but this could take some time...
Transcend Executive Airlines from Switzerland said that they will start operation from GVA and ZRH with 2 717, but this was before 11/9. Has anybody heard something since then? Aermexico is for me also a very,very likely candidate for a 2002 order.
Boeing said that they have strong interest from China for the 717...
And... Bangkok Air has said in a Swiss Travel Magazine that they will introduce 1 more 717 in 2002.
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: We will just have to wait and see what happens this coming year....
: What they need is some big orders, not just 1 plane orders...It wont survive with just small orders coming in. One airline must really order big here.
: 'SV' is Saudi Arabian Airlines. Regards.
: Indianicworld is correct. The 717 needs a large order from a respected world airline. This will give it respectability and other orders will come easi
: QF717 Qantas will most likely retire the 717's when the 737-800's arrive. They show no sign of ordering anything but 737's. If anything, the 737-300
: No, QFTJT. Qantas is actually on the verge of ordering 6-10 more. Rumoured to be coming from Hawaiian.
: I attach an article from another forum. I do not guarantee it is correct but the guy seems to know what he's talking about: "Impulse (pre-QF) had opti
: I am sure that Boeing is in talks for a big order, otherwise why should they continue the production.
: yeah I agree with 717 fan they must be in the talks or otherwise I don't think that they would have continued production.
: But not necessarily talking about big orders. Most big carriers which would have some kind of interest in this type (NW, AA, US, AC) are really low on
: Lets not forget that FairDor has a habit of cancelling production plans of airframes with committed orders...just ask YX when they're getting their 42
: -Mlsrar- FairDo are already assembling the 728 prototype. The tooling for the 728/928 production line is also ready. It's already to big a commitment
: I think Qantas has no immediate need for new RJ's. I know they have been evaluating the RJ together with BA, but that was long time ago.. In my opinio