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2002 Order For The 717?  
User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Which airlines do you see ordering the 717 in 2002?
For me you can see the following:
-Midwest Express
-NWA
-Hawaiian/Aloha
-China Eastern
-Alitalia
-Aeromexico

and some smallers like Olympic Aviation, Aserca, etc.

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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Midwest Express: yes, but only when they get better terms.

NWA: big NO. No money and the new RJs (Embraer 170-195 and 728/928/X28JET offer more than the B717)

Hawaiian/Aloha: only when they get their merger approved.

China Eastern: No, not a third narrow-body type. More likely the A318 or B737-600.

Aliatlia: No, A318/319 fleet mix plus some large RJs. But no money.

Aeromexico: Could be, but first CINTRA has to sort things out.

Olympic Aviation: NO GO. Olympic has other priorities at the moment: survival.

Aserca: Only when they find the money.

Seems like a slow year for the B717-200.

Regards
Flying-Tiger
http://fly.to/rorders



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User currently offlineAloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

You bet Hawaiian/Aloha will be ordering 717s.

User currently offlineJetBlue320 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Sorry Flying-Tiger, But if NWA orders anything regional for the mainline fleet, It will be the 717.

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

God I hate second guessing or rumors...

I almost gather that AA painted some 717's in full AA colors could be a good sign for the 717. I believe that at one time AA said they would not order the 717 further after the AA/TWA merger. AA may turn out liking the 717 as a MD-80 replacement for those routes that the MD-80 covers. A lot of people think a smaller 737 as the other candidate. We're talking AA so most likely we will not see an A318 in AA colors.

I like all airplanes so I could care less what I saw in AA colors whether it is the unlikely A318, 737 (600-700) or the 717. For the sake of the Long Beach workers jobs though it would be cool for AA to order the 717 because an order of 150-250 717's from AA would keep the production lines going.


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

I had heard Saudi Arabian Airlines were interested in the 717 for regional operations any update on that Confused


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User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

No way for Alitalia.

After they will get money with the recapitalization they will order a regional jet, probably Embraer 170 and 195 in order to have a RJ family from 70 till 100 seats (now they also have ERJ-145). In this case they don't need B717 and A318.


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Some of the carriers that I can see ordering the 717 in the future.
American - Maybe 2 or 3 dozen more on top of the 30 from TWA, to start replacing the Fokker 100s.
Delta - An excellent replacement for their 737-200s.
Hawaiian - Of course. They have 13 & they want more.
Midwest Express - Yep. At least 20 ships for them.
Northwest - They'll probably start with a small order, as their DC-9s can't last forever. The A318 is too heavy.
Just my educated guesses, folks. Regards.



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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

JetBlue320, not be too sure about your statements. I see a very real chance, especially for the 928JET, to win this order. This plane is part of a family, has a big potential for a further strech which is already evaluated and is 3-5 mio BUCKs cheaper to buy than the B717-200 but is lighter and offers a wider cabine.

Regards
Flying-Tiger
http://fly.to/rorders



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

First, the economy has to get back up before orders become more commonplace.

Secondly, DL won't order the 717. If anything, the 737-200s will be replaced with the 737-600/700. Delta is moving to 3 fleet types, the 737, 757/767, and 777.

Jeff


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

I had heard Saudi Arabian Airlines were interested in the 717 for regional operations any update on that.

I don't know. Saudia is not really satisfy with the MD90s. Because MD90s is having problems for landing/departing in some Saudi Airports that usually opb 732.

Boeing is now offering 717/736 to Saudia as a "compensation" I might say.


User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

I could see NW getting the 712 over the Dornier 928/728/whatever. The 712 offers already guaranteed reliability and great fuel burn. Current operators are reporting about a 25% decrease in fuel burn than the DC9(If they operated them previously).

I have heard rumors about CoEx ordering the 711 lite if it is launched.


User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

Perhaps there will be some orders we never talked about. What about JAS, Indian Airlines, Austrian, Aeroflot, Varig, Aerolinas Argentinas, United?
Just some thougts...


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

United has NEVER operated a DC-9 type. I don't see why they would now. They have the 319 for that.

Randy


User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

There's another possible customer for the 717: Air Canada.

The 717 would be an excellent replacement for the 737-200s that AC eventually wants to get rid of. The same goes for the DC-9-30 as well.

But trouble is, I doubt that Air Canada will ever do this. It's probably more likely that it'll look at the A318, despite it being less economical to operate on short-haul routes than the 717. It seems to be a commonality thing (AC has A319s and A320s and is adding A321s to its fleet), and not to mention that it might be cheaper not to have to train pilots to use a completely new a/c when another more compatible a/c can be ordered.


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Hi:

In my opinion, this airline are possible customers of the Boeing 717:

Midwest Express
Hawaiian/Aloha
AeroMexico

Northwest, will replace the DC-9 with A319. Aliatlia probably choose the A320 family for the MD-82, China Eastern is the same case, probably would choose the A319 or A320.

Best Regards,
RJ_Delta.


User currently offlineQF717 From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

Qantas has been pushing an all-economy drive recently, and has been adding DASH-8s to it's QantasLink subsidiaries.

There is also the question of expanding NZ operations, and the 717 has been rumoured to be a reasonable fit over there. There have been rumors for about a year now of possibly moving the existing 717s to NZ for a reborn QFNZ.

The 717s continue to serve QF very well on it's holiday routes from the southern capitals north to the Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast, as well as servicing Tasmanian cities. It is a great replacement here for the 142s and 143s previously operated on the routes.

They are staffed by Impulse/Airconnex workers, providing a degree of operational savings to QF as well.

With the arrival through early 2002 of the fmr AA order for 738s, older 733s are being retired -- perhaps an opening there for 717s.

So -- wouldn't be shocked to hear of a handful of new 717s in the next couple of years for QF, although would think they're fairly well set for the next year or so.

Regards,

David,
QF717


User currently offlineB777UA From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

What About AirTran They still have some on Order to Replace the rest of there DC-9s

User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Air Canada won't order the 717 not only becuase of the mentions u typed abouve S777 but becuase they are downsizing right now.

User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4003 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

"Austrian" in fact nowadays includes Austrian Airlines, Tyrolean, Lauda Air and Rheintalflug and I guess they will make one order for all of them. That effectively rules out the stand-alone Boeing 717-200 since they need something that could replace Tyrolean DHC8-100s/300s, Tyrolean/Austrian Fokker 70s. Austrian group also has some "criticla" airports like Innsbruck or Altenrhein from where a B717 cannot operate.

So what is a likely choice ? Tyrolean and Lauda have already CanRJs, but although Tyrolean is a loyal Bombardier customer I doubt that they will go for a CanRJ200/700/900 solution, having in mind that they operate the much more comfortable Fokker 70 and probably will not go back to a flying pencil. Rheintalflug has ERJ145s and options on a ERJ170, but those were ordered before Austrian took Rheintalflug over.

My guess is they go for the FairchildDornier family and maybe keep the Lauda Air 737-600s for the upper end of the range.


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

JAS, Indian Airlines, Austrian, Aeroflot, Varig, Aerolinas Argentinas, United?

JAS: I don't think they're in a hurry to buy 717s. They still have some relatively new MD90s.

Indian Airlines: The smallest jet is 737-200, 737-600/-700 would fit better rather than 717.

Aeroflot: Do they really need the 717?

VARIG: I don't really see why VARIG would like to get 717s. Their regional subsidiary has the jet like ERJ or 73G. I don't see any points having 717 between ERJ and 73G.

Aerolineas Argentinas/Austral: I don't know about them. They're having financial crisis.

United: If they really want 717, I would suggest that the route that's going to be opb 717 (IF UA buys them) should transfer to UA Express.

Air Canada: Who knows? They're interested in 777s a while ago.




User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

A NW 717 sure would look nice,though!


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User currently offlineRwy31R From Saudi Arabia, joined Aug 2001, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

Airmale

I would love to confirm what you heared but I doubt it. SV doesnt purchase planes out of the blue they usually make a fatty order every decade at least. they just completed thier fleet (61 acft.. IMO not even close to enough). They have MD-90 doin all thier short routes, really dont see the 717 in that! I would love to see it and some 736.



"Saudia Three Five hold short Three One Right"
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

I had heard the same comment a couple of years ago that SV was interested in the 717 to replace the remaining 732 fleet. Seems the MD-90 can't operate out of some of the 732 markets. I recall they also looked at the BAe ARJ. I've heard nothing since.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

I think that Airtran will convert some more options to orders on the 717 this year, the same for Hawaiian/Aloha. I also heard that SV is evaluating the 717, but this could take some time...
Transcend Executive Airlines from Switzerland said that they will start operation from GVA and ZRH with 2 717, but this was before 11/9. Has anybody heard something since then? Aermexico is for me also a very,very likely candidate for a 2002 order.
Boeing said that they have strong interest from China for the 717...
And... Bangkok Air has said in a Swiss Travel Magazine that they will introduce 1 more 717 in 2002.


25 LGB Photos : We will just have to wait and see what happens this coming year....
26 IndianicWorld : What they need is some big orders, not just 1 plane orders...It wont survive with just small orders coming in. One airline must really order big here.
27 FlagshipAZ : 'SV' is Saudi Arabian Airlines. Regards.
28 Yyz717 : Indianicworld is correct. The 717 needs a large order from a respected world airline. This will give it respectability and other orders will come easi
29 QFTJT : QF717 Qantas will most likely retire the 717's when the 737-800's arrive. They show no sign of ordering anything but 737's. If anything, the 737-300&#
30 Aussie_ : No, QFTJT. Qantas is actually on the verge of ordering 6-10 more. Rumoured to be coming from Hawaiian.
31 Aussie_ : I attach an article from another forum. I do not guarantee it is correct but the guy seems to know what he's talking about: "Impulse (pre-QF) had opti
32 717fan : I am sure that Boeing is in talks for a big order, otherwise why should they continue the production.
33 Dash8king : yeah I agree with 717 fan they must be in the talks or otherwise I don't think that they would have continued production.
34 Post contains links Flying-Tiger : But not necessarily talking about big orders. Most big carriers which would have some kind of interest in this type (NW, AA, US, AC) are really low on
35 Mlsrar : Lets not forget that FairDor has a habit of cancelling production plans of airframes with committed orders...just ask YX when they're getting their 42
36 Post contains links Qatar : -Mlsrar- FairDo are already assembling the 728 prototype. The tooling for the 728/928 production line is also ready. It's already to big a commitment
37 717fan : I think Qantas has no immediate need for new RJ's. I know they have been evaluating the RJ together with BA, but that was long time ago.. In my opinio
38 DeltaBoy777 : Midwest AirTran Northwest Aeromexico
39 F111 : Flying-Tiger, I think you may find QF are looking at the 928/728/528 as a replacement for the BA146 and maybe to replace a few Dash 8's operating out
40 TOMASKEMPNER : Did AM already place an order for the 717 ? I f they do it, I wont be surprised if they cancel it or delay it. Besides the MD-80 series and DC-9 are q
41 717fan : I know that AM is beginning to replace its DC-9 (The first one is going to Allegro). They show much interest in the 717. Someone said in this forum th
42 LGB Photos : Ok once again let me say: 1. Northwest and Air Canada WILL NOT ORDER ANY 717s. THEY ARE AN AIRBUS SHORTHAUL FAMILY! 2. Aeromexico has been a long time
43 Penguinflies : my 2 cent rumors AA--quietly parking 717 with possible return to lessor. Heard a definate no on more orders from them (several people said it on this
44 Post contains links Flying-Tiger : Qantas is actually very likely to place its order mid-next year. BA and QF had both popstponed their RJ decisions by about 6 months because of the new
45 Lowfareair : >>1. Northwest and Air Canada WILL NOT ORDER ANY 717s. THEY ARE AN AIRBUS SHORTHAUL FAMILY!
46 DaV : Alitalia had some talkings with Boeing for B717, but all was cancelled. Got on aerotransport.free.fr Rgds DaV
47 717fan : Flying-Tiger I've not said that they has no need for RJ's. I mean that new RJ's is not an urgent need for QF. By the way I do not only love the 717...
48 717fan : A few days ago someone here has postet that Montenegro Airlines is in talks with Boeing for 4 717's, I hope this come true...for me this could mean th
49 JAL : Maybe Qantas will order more 717.
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