9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 974 times:
I would like to see a FRA-SEA route introduced by LH or UA but I´m not sure whether there would be such a high demand (quite a lot european tourists who visit Washington and Oregon but what about Business and First Class ???).
Maybe some day.
CleCo From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 569 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 953 times:
I don't know that it is crying out for attention, but I believe it could be a profitable route. If KLM were to transfer one of their 747s into DTW from AMS into a DC10 into CLE, and have the passengers connect on Continental rather than NW. I think they would see some success. This would be mainly people looking to connect to other cities.
I say this would work, based on the fact that KLM is allied with NW which is allied with CO. It would be much easier to transfer through Cleveland than through DTW, as it is smaller, with less distance to go from gate to gate.
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 928 times:
not only UA looked into SEA-FRA, also LH was studying SEA, in addition to PDX and SAN, however, PHX and DEN got the nod.
so it may be that some of these destinations will be served by LH in the next couple of years.
If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
Twa902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3048 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 901 times:
Alaska seasonal ORD-FAI 737-700
Alaska SEA-ORD 737-700 or MD-80 or 737-400
Delta ORD-DFW 737-300 or MD-90 or something
United ORD-JAC A319 or so
UA/AA ORD-JAN CRJ, ERJ140?
UA/AA ORD-Cheyenne CRJ ERJ140?
life wasn't worth the balance, or the crumpled paper it was written on
Frostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 394 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 895 times:
Let's get serious here...
How about linking the #1 & #4 busiest airports in the world....ATL & LHR.
The lack of route authorities between these two mega airports is to the detriment of hundreds of thousands of travellers every year.
You want to see a new route with big time economic impacts & competitive enhancements....watch what happens if ever DL & BA start running their 777s between ATL & LHR.
Far from benefiting Atlantans & Londoners only, this route would benefit droves of connecting travellers on both sides of the Atlantic. Not to toot my own horn too loud, but routes mentioned so far on this thread are pretty small potatos....
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7144 posts, RR: 14 Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 882 times:
Doubt you'll get many people in MAN's catchment area wanting to connect onto a LHR-ATL service if only for the reason there is an alternative: MAN-ATL by Delta which is doing exceedingly well...I wish they'd start a 2nd daily service soon!
As for instant attention for a route, perhaps from 14th January 2002, a weekly MAN-MRU service by Air Mauritius using an A340 (or perhaps make it 2 weekly given the route performance during the past summer?).
Next "new route" ought to be MAN-YYZ by bmi operating a minimim of 5 weekly services using their A330s.
Other MAN routes that should be okay:
JNB - South African 747? Though it's more likely to be bmi A330 (2 weekly)
MIA/LAX/JFK/DFW all by AA (all daily 767)
BOM/DEL by Air India or Indian Airlines (at least 3 weekly using A310s)
BAH by Gulf Air (2 or 3 weekly 767)
BGI/POS by BWIA International (2 weekly L1011 or whatever they pick)
Frostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 394 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 850 times:
If I'm not mistaken, AA suspended MIA-SEA....if that's so, well, that's a big time gap in service at two corners of the continental US.
I simply can't believe one flight a day on this route would lose money. But I guess AA would never have suspended it if it was a cash cow.
Either way, SOMEBODY ought to fly it. Does require a carrier that flies a/c with pretty long legs though....
Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 810 times:
AA is suspending MIA-SEA and BOS-SEA in January because they are suspending SEA-NRT. I really do not think the suspensions will last long, in fact I think BOS-SEA is back this summer. Miami has non-stop service to YVR, SEA can easily fill up a daily 752 or 738. Other gaps, IMO...
We serverely lack intra-state flights! We need Sarasota (FLL does have Sarasota though), Naples, Gainsville, Pensacola, and Daytona Beach!
CMH, daily on AA or HP
SLC, daily on DL
SAN, daily on AA
MIA-TLV non-stop (LY does have one-stop, but don't you think a city with the world's second largest Jewish population should have a non-stop?)
MIA-BCN (AA 763 or IB 762)
MIA-BRU (AA 763)
MIA-COR (this is coming early next year, finally!)
MIA-IQT (LanPeru A320)
MIA-GDL (IB 319)
MIA-MTY (IB 319)
Frostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 394 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 787 times:
Mah4546, thanks for the info....it suprises me AA is suspending the route. I take it they carried a lot of NRT-bound people on their SEA nonstop. Still, it seems like O & D alone would fill a flight or two per day, though perhaps not on 763s.
Definitely agree MIA-SLC ought to happen on DL. However DL has virtually halted east-west flying that does not involve an eastern hub city.
Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 774 times:
Frostbite, IMO, we will non-stop see service between Miami and SLC in 2002, though from FLL, where DL has a major presence. DL's current two daily Miami-SLC flights, one each from MIA and FLL, both 764s, have stops in ATL. I still don't get why DL flies FLL-DFW three times a day, two of those with 767s, and no FLL-SLC. DL is huge in the Miami area, and they are basiclly giving all those skiers up to American (DEN and EGE) and UA (DEN). The SEA-NRT flight was actually a continuation of MIA-SEA. The flights were both started at around the same time, and the SEA-NRT sometimes got more than half of it's loads from MIA and another 20-25% from BOS. There are some rumours that when the economy picks up again, though, we will see non-stop MIA/BOS-NRT service. I would definitley like to see that. There is demand. My opinion? Daily 738 on Miami-Seattle on AA (and it was also an AS codeshare) by next June. No way they are going to give all those cruise passengers up to AC's MIA-YVR flights.
FlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2260 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 743 times:
America_West: I believe that some of the routes you mentioned could work. Flights between Columbus and London, as well as Frankfurt, have been a goal for the Columbus Metropolitan Airport Authority for several years. The closest Columbus has ever seen to nonstop service to London was a short-lived codeshare between America West and British Airways, where CMH passengers would travel to PHL on America West, and then connect onto a British Airways flight to London. I believe America West and British Airways still have a codeshare partnership, so if America West were to expand their Columbus hub to a point where a sufficient amount of connecting passengers would be traveling across the Atlantic, I could see daily service to London with British Airways, as the combined O&D demand in addition to connecting traffic would most likely be able to support the route. Though surprisingly enough, the most popular international destination from CMH is Tokyo, Japan. The main reason is because many Honda executive in Marysville travel to Japan from CMH throughout the year.
Flights between Columbus and Mexico City would be nice, however as with London, more connecting passengers would probably be needed to make the route profitable. Columbus' Mexican population is growing, and I'm under the impression that there is a healthy amount of business conducted between Ohio's capital and Mexico's, however it probably isn't enough demand to warrant nonstop flights. Both Delta's hub in Cincinnati and Continental's hub in Cleveland, which are both much larger than America West's hub in Columbus, don't even have nonstop service to MEX.
Service to the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area is a definite necessity from CMH. With the two cities combined, over 500 people fly daily between Columbus and Southwestern Florida. Miami is also the country's top airport for flights to Latin America. Governor Taft has strongly encouraged increased trade between Ohio and South America, and nonstop service to the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area would help immensely. If an airline were to start flights to MIA, FLL, or both, it more than likely would not be with jetBlue. As of now, their main focal point is feeding passenger traffic into their JFK hub. I could only see jetBlue flying nonstop CMH-FLL flights if they were to start a Delta Express-type operation in Florida, where flights would mostly connect the Midwest to Florida. To Ft. Lauderdale, service would probably be flown by either Southwest, Delta Express, or America West. If Miami service were started, it would probably be with either American Airlines or America West.
I think CMH-JFK service with jetBlue isn't a matter of if it will happen, but when. Columbus is on the airline's list of possible cities, and Columbus currently does not have nonstop flights to JFK. Currently, however, there isn't any room at CMH for a new airline. Once the Concourse C expansion is completed, seeing jetBlue's A320's in Columbus is definitely possible.
I too would like to see some more tropical seasonal destinations from CMH. A definite way to get more flights between Columbus and the Carribean would be with charter operators. Currently, CMH's charter traffic is severely lacking, with only one Sunday nonstop to Cancun. I would like to see charter traffic to Punta Cana and Puerto Vallarta.
25 Mah4546: FlyCMH, I would not rule out jetBlue for FLL-CMH. I don't think it will happen, but jetBlue does plan to start many new routes out of FLL. They alread