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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1401 posts, RR: 3
Posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1527 times:

If there is one route that isnt served that u think is crying out for some airline attention, what is it? a/c type, frequency, carrier? There are so many, but, what needs instant attention!?

Regards

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User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1270 times:

I would like to see a FRA-SEA route introduced by LH or UA but I´m not sure whether there would be such a high demand (quite a lot european tourists who visit Washington and Oregon but what about Business and First Class ???).
Maybe some day.


User currently offlineKWSea From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1252 times:

UA has looked at a SEA-FRA, but the belief is it would take away from the SK SEA-CPH flights. Plus there are lots of connecting flights via SFO/LAX/DEN/ORD/IAD/JFK
A remote possibility it seems


User currently offlineCleCo From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

I don't know that it is crying out for attention, but I believe it could be a profitable route. If KLM were to transfer one of their 747s into DTW from AMS into a DC10 into CLE, and have the passengers connect on Continental rather than NW. I think they would see some success. This would be mainly people looking to connect to other cities.

I say this would work, based on the fact that KLM is allied with NW which is allied with CO. It would be much easier to transfer through Cleveland than through DTW, as it is smaller, with less distance to go from gate to gate.

Jake



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1234 times:

NCL-FRA by LH CRJ/RJ85
NCL-CPH by BA ERJ145/DH8
NCL-OSL Wideroe DH8
Some of those maybe...



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User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

not only UA looked into SEA-FRA, also LH was studying SEA, in addition to PDX and SAN, however, PHX and DEN got the nod.
so it may be that some of these destinations will be served by LH in the next couple of years.

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

Columbus-Kansas City with Vanguard 737-200's or MD-80's or Southwest 737-300's or America West Express ERJ-145's

Columbus-Miami/Ft. Lauderdale with American Eagle ERJ-145's or America West Express ERJ-145's

Columbus-San Francisco/Oakland with America West A319's or United A319's


User currently offlineSPIRIT MD-80 From Puerto Rico, joined May 1999, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1206 times:

ALITALIA Airlines
Philadelphia-Rome or Milan
B.767-300
Daily



User currently offlineTwa902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

Alaska seasonal ORD-FAI 737-700
Alaska SEA-ORD 737-700 or MD-80 or 737-400
Delta ORD-DFW 737-300 or MD-90 or something
United ORD-JAC A319 or so
UA/AA ORD-JAN CRJ, ERJ140?
UA/AA ORD-Cheyenne CRJ ERJ140?

twa902 chicago






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User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1191 times:

Let's get serious here...

How about linking the #1 & #4 busiest airports in the world....ATL & LHR.

The lack of route authorities between these two mega airports is to the detriment of hundreds of thousands of travellers every year.

You want to see a new route with big time economic impacts & competitive enhancements....watch what happens if ever DL & BA start running their 777s between ATL & LHR.

Far from benefiting Atlantans & Londoners only, this route would benefit droves of connecting travellers on both sides of the Atlantic. Not to toot my own horn too loud, but routes mentioned so far on this thread are pretty small potatos....


User currently offlineDavid Viking From Sweden, joined Jun 2002, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

How about a once or twice weekly nonstop flight ARN (Stockholm Arlanda) to NRT (Tokyo Narita)?

The flight would probably be exclusively for me and why not ask JAL to use one of their beautiful MD-11s.

Nice topic!

Best regards, David.


User currently offline777d From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1177 times:

SEA-FRA would workbut I would rather have DELTA or US Airways run this route. I see NW having success with this route since they have a large presence at SEA.

If I am correct, would passengers fly from SEA-YVR-FRA on LH. Code Share with Air Canada/Air BC SEA-YVR?

Personally I would like to see another carrier fly SEA-LHR and fight off BA. Virgin where are you??



User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1178 times:
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Doubt you'll get many people in MAN's catchment area wanting to connect onto a LHR-ATL service if only for the reason there is an alternative: MAN-ATL by Delta which is doing exceedingly well...I wish they'd start a 2nd daily service soon!

As for instant attention for a route, perhaps from 14th January 2002, a weekly MAN-MRU service by Air Mauritius using an A340 (or perhaps make it 2 weekly given the route performance during the past summer?).

Next "new route" ought to be MAN-YYZ by bmi operating a minimim of 5 weekly services using their A330s.

Other MAN routes that should be okay:
JNB - South African 747? Though it's more likely to be bmi A330 (2 weekly)
MIA/LAX/JFK/DFW all by AA (all daily 767)
BOM/DEL by Air India or Indian Airlines (at least 3 weekly using A310s)
BAH by Gulf Air (2 or 3 weekly 767)
BGI/POS by BWIA International (2 weekly L1011 or whatever they pick)

David/MAN


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

I think London and Atlanta are already adequately served. For many, LGW is the airport of choice--particularly if London is your final destination.

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1164 times:
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Greg

If what you say is correct, why are airlines wishing to move from LGW into LHR?

David/MAN


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1147 times:

New Orleans to London/Gatwick
* BA or VS, using B767-300 or A340 equipment
* Thrice-weekly seasonal nonstop service

New Orleans to Paris/CDG
*AF, utilizing B767-300 aircraft
*Thrice-weekly, year-round nonstop service

New Orleans to Frankfurt
* LH, utilizing A340 aircraft
* Twice-weekly seasonal nonstop service


Any of the routes listed above would make me very happy indeed. There is a market for direct Europe service from New Orleans. I hope some airline starts it one day.



Next trip: MSY-SEA-GEG-SEA-LWS-BOI-PDX-SEA-LAS on AS
User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

If I'm not mistaken, AA suspended MIA-SEA....if that's so, well, that's a big time gap in service at two corners of the continental US.
I simply can't believe one flight a day on this route would lose money. But I guess AA would never have suspended it if it was a cash cow.

Either way, SOMEBODY ought to fly it. Does require a carrier that flies a/c with pretty long legs though....




User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1124 times:

Ok, like so many before on this forum, I put the horse in front of the cart, and said something before confirming the facts to back it up.

MIA-SEA is alive, though not burgeoning with flights. AA still flies 763s n/s once a day MIA-SEA.


ATL-LHR. That's my final answer


User currently offlineAmerica West From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

I don't know how much demand there is for any of these routes right now, but in the future, I would definately love to see:

-CMH-LHR on a British Airways 767 (a few times a week)
-CMH-MEX on an America West 757 or A320 (seasonal)
-CMH-JFK on a JetBlue A320 (daily)
-CMH-FLL on a JetBlue A320 (daily)

I would also like to see some (seasonal) flights from CMH to some warm tropical destinations such as Cancun, Nassau, Honolulu or maybe even Aruba.

FlyCMH: Do you think that there might be some demand for any of theses?


User currently onlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32191 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1106 times:

AA is suspending MIA-SEA and BOS-SEA in January because they are suspending SEA-NRT. I really do not think the suspensions will last long, in fact I think BOS-SEA is back this summer. Miami has non-stop service to YVR, SEA can easily fill up a daily 752 or 738. Other gaps, IMO...

Miami domestic:
We serverely lack intra-state flights! We need Sarasota (FLL does have Sarasota though), Naples, Gainsville, Pensacola, and Daytona Beach!
CMH, daily on AA or HP
SLC, daily on DL
SAN, daily on AA

International...
MIA-TLV non-stop (LY does have one-stop, but don't you think a city with the world's second largest Jewish population should have a non-stop?)
MIA-BCN (AA 763 or IB 762)
MIA-BRU (AA 763)
MIA-COR (this is coming early next year, finally!)
MIA-IQT (LanPeru A320)
MIA-GDL (IB 319)
MIA-MTY (IB 319)



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User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

Mah4546, thanks for the info....it suprises me AA is suspending the route. I take it they carried a lot of NRT-bound people on their SEA nonstop. Still, it seems like O & D alone would fill a flight or two per day, though perhaps not on 763s.
Definitely agree MIA-SLC ought to happen on DL. However DL has virtually halted east-west flying that does not involve an eastern hub city.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1079 times:

i think alitalia should fly to phl as well, along with other new international airlines flying to phl too.

User currently onlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32191 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1070 times:

Frostbite, IMO, we will non-stop see service between Miami and SLC in 2002, though from FLL, where DL has a major presence. DL's current two daily Miami-SLC flights, one each from MIA and FLL, both 764s, have stops in ATL. I still don't get why DL flies FLL-DFW three times a day, two of those with 767s, and no FLL-SLC. DL is huge in the Miami area, and they are basiclly giving all those skiers up to American (DEN and EGE) and UA (DEN). The SEA-NRT flight was actually a continuation of MIA-SEA. The flights were both started at around the same time, and the SEA-NRT sometimes got more than half of it's loads from MIA and another 20-25% from BOS. There are some rumours that when the economy picks up again, though, we will see non-stop MIA/BOS-NRT service. I would definitley like to see that. There is demand. My opinion? Daily 738 on Miami-Seattle on AA (and it was also an AS codeshare) by next June. No way they are going to give all those cruise passengers up to AC's MIA-YVR flights.


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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1062 times:
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Surprised no-one's come up with these lucrative (?) routes seeing that the proposed airline has postponed their plans:

Prestwick-Portsmouth
Prestwick-Baltimore
Prestwick-Hamilton

After all, why would someone decide to fly these routes unless there was some enormous demand for them!

David/MAN


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1039 times:

America_West: I believe that some of the routes you mentioned could work. Flights between Columbus and London, as well as Frankfurt, have been a goal for the Columbus Metropolitan Airport Authority for several years. The closest Columbus has ever seen to nonstop service to London was a short-lived codeshare between America West and British Airways, where CMH passengers would travel to PHL on America West, and then connect onto a British Airways flight to London. I believe America West and British Airways still have a codeshare partnership, so if America West were to expand their Columbus hub to a point where a sufficient amount of connecting passengers would be traveling across the Atlantic, I could see daily service to London with British Airways, as the combined O&D demand in addition to connecting traffic would most likely be able to support the route. Though surprisingly enough, the most popular international destination from CMH is Tokyo, Japan. The main reason is because many Honda executive in Marysville travel to Japan from CMH throughout the year.

Flights between Columbus and Mexico City would be nice, however as with London, more connecting passengers would probably be needed to make the route profitable. Columbus' Mexican population is growing, and I'm under the impression that there is a healthy amount of business conducted between Ohio's capital and Mexico's, however it probably isn't enough demand to warrant nonstop flights. Both Delta's hub in Cincinnati and Continental's hub in Cleveland, which are both much larger than America West's hub in Columbus, don't even have nonstop service to MEX.

Service to the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area is a definite necessity from CMH. With the two cities combined, over 500 people fly daily between Columbus and Southwestern Florida. Miami is also the country's top airport for flights to Latin America. Governor Taft has strongly encouraged increased trade between Ohio and South America, and nonstop service to the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area would help immensely. If an airline were to start flights to MIA, FLL, or both, it more than likely would not be with jetBlue. As of now, their main focal point is feeding passenger traffic into their JFK hub. I could only see jetBlue flying nonstop CMH-FLL flights if they were to start a Delta Express-type operation in Florida, where flights would mostly connect the Midwest to Florida. To Ft. Lauderdale, service would probably be flown by either Southwest, Delta Express, or America West. If Miami service were started, it would probably be with either American Airlines or America West.

I think CMH-JFK service with jetBlue isn't a matter of if it will happen, but when. Columbus is on the airline's list of possible cities, and Columbus currently does not have nonstop flights to JFK. Currently, however, there isn't any room at CMH for a new airline. Once the Concourse C expansion is completed, seeing jetBlue's A320's in Columbus is definitely possible.

I too would like to see some more tropical seasonal destinations from CMH. A definite way to get more flights between Columbus and the Carribean would be with charter operators. Currently, CMH's charter traffic is severely lacking, with only one Sunday nonstop to Cancun. I would like to see charter traffic to Punta Cana and Puerto Vallarta.


25 Mah4546 : FlyCMH, I would not rule out jetBlue for FLL-CMH. I don't think it will happen, but jetBlue does plan to start many new routes out of FLL. They alread
26 Usairways85 : jetblue planning any routes to phl?
27 Kwbl : PDX-NRT PDX-SEO PDX-FRA PDX-JFK PDX-BOS These are very realistic in my opinion-all ecept FRA have been served in the past and with the right marketing
28 Air Taiwan : TPE-PEK 3x daily TPE-SHA 4x daily KHH-PEK daily KHH-SHA daily jimmy
29 IndianicWorld : MEL-Johannasburg, South Africa MEL- Port Moresby , PNG MEL- Tokyo , Japan MEL - South America Just my opinion ciao
30 Jiml1126 : PDX-NRT PDX-SEO PDX-FRA PDX-JFK PDX-BOS SEO should be ICN (Seoul) There are no long-haul flights out of PDX is because these racist PDX customs.
31 Kwbl : That problem has been taken care of-plus, that problem would not affect domestic flights
32 America West : Usairways85: Philidelphia is not currently on their list of future cities however, Pittsburgh is. FlyCMH: Thanks for the reply. I never would have tho
33 Usairways85 : what airline is not curently on the future list to surve phl, alitalia. they want to surve pit. does pit even have any international flights besides u
34 Mah4546 : USairways, jetBlue, not Alitalia. I would not expect AZ in PHL any time soon. PHL already has US service to FCO, and AZ is not that big in the US anyw
35 MSPman : MSP-LGW BA 777-200 MSP-CDG NW A330-300 or AF A340-300 MSP-FRA NW A330-300 oe LH A340-300 MSP-LAX-SYD NW 747-400 DTW-LAX-AKL NW 747-400 CMH-NRT NW 747-
36 Usairways85 : oh ok now i understand. i wish jetblue would fly to phl but since it is so close to its hub at jfk i doubt phl will see jetblue too.
37 Post contains images Pgh234 : USAirways85: The only PIT international flights are of course the US A-330 PIT-LGW, PIT-FRA, and, even thought this route was canceled after 9/11, the
38 Thomacf : United CLE-SFO United CLE-LAX KLM CLE-AMS CO CLE-MEX CO CLE-NRT CO CLE-SAN JetBLue CLE-JFK
39 Ts-ior : I wonder why there is no flights between Tunis and New York,Montreal,Johannesburg,Hong Kong and Osaka. TunisAir would pionner these routes with some
40 Tripple7 : I will have to agree with some others. A daily Amsterdam - Cleveland service is very well possible. It would not be too hard to fill a daily AMS-CLE v
41 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : MAN-LCY a.s.a.p. MAN-BUC Mon-Fri Tarom 737s MAN-BOS, perhaps DL should transfer their LGW-BOS which I am told is doing appallingly. It could continue
42 Usairways85 : man-phl, bmi lax-phl, aa mco-phl, delta dfw-phl, delta bos-phl, airtran zrh-phl, anyone many more
43 KL713 : 2 routes: 1) KL/PY 713/714 AMS-PBM-AMS (KLM/Surinam Airways joint-venture operated with KL 743) have to be a DAILY service!!! there are now 4 flights
44 DeltAirlines : MHT-LGA/JFK. With only 4 flights a day to EWR on 735s and the occasional ERJ-145, some service to the other two major New York airports would be appre
45 KL713 : some more.... not only Qantas, but also Varig, South African and Thai should come back to AMS!! and airlines like Air Mauritius, Royal Brunei and Viet
46 777-200 : CVG-Munich Delta 767-300ER CVG-DUB DL 767-300ER or 757-200 CVG-Moscow DL 777-200 or 767-400ER CVG-HNL DL 757-300 or 767-300ER I think those would be
47 Pgh234 : Two routes from PIT that I am surprised have not been started are: PIT-DEN on United (UAL has discussed starting this route for years with PIT and I w
48 Boeing 747-311 : I think here in phx, we need some trans-pacific routes, bc we now have2 trans-atlantic, but no trans-pacific and i think thats what we need here in ph
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