VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1286 times:
What I remember is that TW flew out of JFK to LHR, CDG, FCO, CAI, RID, TLV, SFO, LAX, MIA, FRA, ORD, ATH, MILAN, ZRH, AMS, Istanbul among others. This was during their heyday. TW also flew to BOM via CAI If TW was still around and idiot Icahn didn't sell off LHR for a low price then TW would still fy to all these destinations with the exception of BOM and the Mid east. i'm not sure if they'd fly to FCO considering that so many airlines are pulling out and going for Milan. Istanbul, MAD, LIS, BCN, AMS and ATH would be another question. I do beleive that TW could've made JFK a strong domesticand Carribean base. I don't know if they'd be strong enough to combat AA and CO in South America. Anyone care to take a guess?
TW would still have a strong presenc at LHR and CDG if Ichan didn't sell of LHR and the airline was better runned.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 14 Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1244 times:
At its peak, TWA operated between 100 and 150 daily flights out of JFK, which was TWA's second hub after St. Louis-Lambert International. JFK was TWA's gateway to Europe and the Middle East. During the late 1980's, TWA was the leading US carrier across the Atlantic with flights from JFK to:
Kuwait City, Bombay, Cairo, and Riyadh as well....Some of the above were offered as one stop flights via a European city, like CDG or LHR.
TWA had extensive LAX/SFO operations from JFK and a number of domestic routes. The airline operated from Terminals 5 and 6. Terminal 5 (Saarinen) was the official International terminal. Terminal 6 was used for domestic and TW Express flights.
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1192 times:
AA will not start AMS LIS or Spain. Atleast that is what I was told. AA is the only big 6 carrier not to fly there. STL is pretty much a domestic hub like DFW with the exception of Gatwick, CDG and maybe FRA. The mideast is a big no no at this point and time. FCO is dying off. milan is more business than FCO is. Even Milan is a pipedream. I won't be surprised if AA doesn't restart even a thrid of these routes. They might do something with HKG as AA wants to do more Trans pac.
Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31714 posts, RR: 72 Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1190 times:
Ummmm....AA flies to Spain daily. Miami-Madrid (in addition to daily JFK-MAD and ORD-MAD codeshares with IB and double-daily MIA-MAD codeshare with IB), a huge money-maker. In the future? I could see Miami-Barcelona and Miami-Lisbon. AA has the DOT route authority for both routes secured.
Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31714 posts, RR: 72 Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1190 times:
This is what I could envision for AA over the Atlantic and Pacific in the next 4-5 years (* are current routes), assuming that everything goes back to normal growth levels, which I think will be the case:
MIA-HEL (if not, an AY codeshare)
ORD-HEL (if not, an AY codeshare)
AA's future goals are clear: Become even stronger in Latin America, make STL a strong mid-sized domestic hub, make DFW a strong domestic hub, make ORD a strong global hub, make JFK and SJC strong focus cities, and make MIA thier "Gateway to the World" hub (which is what they are calling thier new terminal). The best oppurtunities for trans-Atlantic growth for AA are out of ORD and MIA.
Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31714 posts, RR: 72 Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1187 times:
Not sure how many people remember this, but in 1999, AA announced six new long-hauls:
But AA canceled all but JFK-FRA (which lasted like a few months) due to "weak economic conditions". MIA-ASU eventually did start and is still running daily, but via GRU. AA still has the route authority for all six of the routes, in addition to Chicago-Budapest, aforementioned Miami-Lisbon and Miami-Barcelona, along with Miami-Malaga (Spain).
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 14 Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1178 times:
American won't be adding much in the way of international service anytime soon. Don't expect those JFK-Europe frequencies that TWA operated to be restarted either. AA code shares with IB to Madrid and service to Italy from JFK is well covered by AZ and DL and CO and AZ from EWR. You may see a JFK-BRU flight resume (AA operated one from 1987 to 1996) since SN has failed, but that is also a pipe dream. Even when SN operated, BRU was overserved.
Tan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1877 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1173 times:
If AA does not have long-term (4-5 or more yrs) plans to build JFK into an international hub/fortress, why are they spending the millions on the new Terminal?
I would expect them to re-start select routes when economic conditions warrant. Code-shares are fine, to a point, but eventually they will want more of those dollars for themselves. And what if IB drops out of one-world, or someone else? Bet that AA would schedule flights into those cities ASAP.
Fleet service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1164 times:
Once the new terminal is completed it's a fairly safe bet that you'll see JFK utilized as a major international gateway.That was the rationale behind this massive undertaking in the first place.
JFK flying has been reduced due to the construction as well as the post Sept 11 capacity reductions.We've lost 7 gates to construction, that is a big chunk of space.
We are currently operating with twenty gates, when the new terminal is completed, there will be 37 mainline gates and twenty RJ gates.Those 17 additional gates will bring about an increase in service from JFK.
From informal conversations I've had with various supervisors at work,you'll probably see all of the Oneworld carriers (With the exception of BA) operating from the new terminal on completion.From a passenger stand point,it will simplify connections to the other Oneworld carriers.Going outside the Terminal and getting a bus to connect to EI for example,is shoddy and also increases the risk of misconnecting the passengers.
Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
Ryanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1148 times:
At the end of the TWA name the only trans atlantic route was STL-LGW with everything else shut down. Just before Chapter 11 they only had two or three routes across the atlantic left at JFK, I think Paris, Tel Aviv and Cairo-Riyadh left, flown with 767's.
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1121 times:
The swtch of international routes from JFK to ORD and MIA is quite perminant. Alot of AA employees at JFK have said it is due to lack of O & D. Even with the new Terminal you won't see anything past LHR, CDG and ZRH on the international front. Maybe a JFK-AMS but I doubt that. I did think of a JFK-Milan but that is too well covered by AZ and DL. FCO is too much of a leausure destiantion so that is dying off. Too bad because I loved FCO rather than mialn. There are way better and more sights to see than in Milan which is more realted to the fashion industry.
25 TOMASKEMPNER: I doubt a MAD-DFW will be profitable, but everything could happen, maybe 3 or 5 x week on 767-200ER. BOS-NRT would be an extremely important route and
26 Mah4546: MAD-DFW was operated in the early 1990s. The flight was not popular, and it was moved to MIA (were it has been a huge hit, of course). However, that w
27 AirafriqueDKR: AA began MIA-GRU-MVD service in 1995 (or maybe 96).