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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Posted (12 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1849 times:
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Ofcourse TWA doesn't exist anymore since AA took over, but before this over the last few years, what international and domestic routes did TWA operate from JFK and with what aircraft?

Any info appreciated

Regards
Arsenal@LHR









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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33010 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Up until the end they had MIA, SJU, LAX, SFO, CDG, CAI-RUH, and TLV. In the not so distant pass they also had LGW, MXP, FCO, MAD, BCN, FRA, and LIS, among others.


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User currently offlineEI133 From Ireland, joined Jan 2000, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

I remember up to about three years ago a TWA 747 used to fuel stop and crew change in Shannon at about 3am in the morning on its westbound service from Tel Aviv.

User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

In its latest years TW flights out of JFK were operated by MD-80s, 767-200s, and 767-300ERs.

Prior to that L1011s, 727-200s, and 747-100s were prevalent also.

TWConnection service at JFK was operated by TSA with J-41s and J-32s.

Cities served include those mentioned by Mah4546 and PBI, FLL, TPA, MCO, MSY, STL, SNA, SEA, ANU, AUA, SXM, PUJ, NAS, FPO.


User currently offlineFleet service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Trans States never operated J32's at JFK for TWE.J41's only.


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User currently offlineThomacf From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Up until I believe 1998 they flew CLE-JFK with MD-80's and 727's.

User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

In February 1998, my wife and I flew RT in "TransWorld One" from JFK to Rome/FCO. It was a pleasant experience. I was a bit sad to see the old TWA go away.


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User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

What I remember is that TW flew out of JFK to LHR, CDG, FCO, CAI, RID, TLV, SFO, LAX, MIA, FRA, ORD, ATH, MILAN, ZRH, AMS, Istanbul among others. This was during their heyday. TW also flew to BOM via CAI If TW was still around and idiot Icahn didn't sell off LHR for a low price then TW would still fy to all these destinations with the exception of BOM and the Mid east. i'm not sure if they'd fly to FCO considering that so many airlines are pulling out and going for Milan. Istanbul, MAD, LIS, BCN, AMS and ATH would be another question. I do beleive that TW could've made JFK a strong domesticand Carribean base. I don't know if they'd be strong enough to combat AA and CO in South America. Anyone care to take a guess?

TW would still have a strong presenc at LHR and CDG if Ichan didn't sell of LHR and the airline was better runned.



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User currently offlineAmerica West From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1570 times:

TWExpress operated JFK-CMH. I flew that route twice, but I have no clue which aircraft it was.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

At its peak, TWA operated between 100 and 150 daily flights out of JFK, which was TWA's second hub after St. Louis-Lambert International. JFK was TWA's gateway to Europe and the Middle East. During the late 1980's, TWA was the leading US carrier across the Atlantic with flights from JFK to:

Amsterdam
Athens
Barcelona
Berlin
Brussels
Copenhagen
Frankfurt
Geneva
Istanbul
Lisbon
London/Heathrow
Madrid
Milan
Moscow
Munich
Nice
Oslo
Paris
Rome
Stuttgart
Stockholm
Tel Aviv
Zurich

Kuwait City, Bombay, Cairo, and Riyadh as well....Some of the above were offered as one stop flights via a European city, like CDG or LHR.

TWA had extensive LAX/SFO operations from JFK and a number of domestic routes. The airline operated from Terminals 5 and 6. Terminal 5 (Saarinen) was the official International terminal. Terminal 6 was used for domestic and TW Express flights.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

TWA's premier North Atlantic routes were flown with the 747-100/200. These included JFK to:

London/Heathrow
Paris
Rome
Milan
Athens
Madrid
Tel Aviv

Secondary European destinations (Amsterdam, Brussels, Lisbon, Zurich) were flown with L1011's.

Thinner routes (Oslo, Copenhagen, Stockholm) were flown with 767-200's.

Most short and medium-haul domestic flights operated with B727-200's, MD80's, and some DC9's.

Transcontinental flights operated with L1011's with one 747 doing an LAX or SFO rotation.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1556 times:
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Looks as if TWA was a massive airline in its days. Sad that its all gone now.

Anyway thanks for all the info

Regards
Arsenal@LHR



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User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

So here comes the multi-million dollar question...

Does anyone think American will restart service to any of these destinations? I don't mean from JFK, but from MIA,DFW,ORD and possibly STL?

I'd say Amsterdam and Zurich and Madrid have chances, but I wouldn't expect any new services untill at the earliest, spring 2002.

rgds,
blink182



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User currently offlineFleet service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

I wouldn't expect to see AA aircraft flying into Spain,we codeshare with Oneworld partner Iberia.


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User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

AA will not start AMS LIS or Spain. Atleast that is what I was told. AA is the only big 6 carrier not to fly there. STL is pretty much a domestic hub like DFW with the exception of Gatwick, CDG and maybe FRA. The mideast is a big no no at this point and time. FCO is dying off. milan is more business than FCO is. Even Milan is a pipedream. I won't be surprised if AA doesn't restart even a thrid of these routes. They might do something with HKG as AA wants to do more Trans pac.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineTwa902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

in 1997 i flew

ORD-JFK-BCN-JFK-ORD on TWA

it was a

727-200 (now gone) ORD-JFK (now gone)
747-100 (now gone) JFK-BCN (now gone)
767-200 BCN-JFK (now gone)
MD-83 JFK-ORD (now gone)

out 747 was a weird flight because they combined a 762 and 741 onto 1 741 and our flight was JFK-BCN-CDG, but we got off at BCN.

twa902 chicago

i will ALWAYS remember taking off on that TWA 727 into a crisp blue sky, my first memory of a flight when i was into aviation



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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33010 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

Ummmm....AA flies to Spain daily. Miami-Madrid (in addition to daily JFK-MAD and ORD-MAD codeshares with IB and double-daily MIA-MAD codeshare with IB), a huge money-maker. In the future? I could see Miami-Barcelona and Miami-Lisbon. AA has the DOT route authority for both routes secured.


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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33010 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

This is what I could envision for AA over the Atlantic and Pacific in the next 4-5 years (* are current routes), assuming that everything goes back to normal growth levels, which I think will be the case:

BOS-CDG*
BOS-LHR*
BOS-NRT

DFW-CDG*
DFW-FRA*
DFW-LGW*
DFW-MAD
DFW-NRT*
DFW-ZRH*

JFK-BRU
JFK-CDG*
JFK-LHR*
JFK-ZRH*

LAX-LHR*

MIA-BCN
MIA-BRU
MIA-CDG*
MIA-FRA
MIA-HEL (if not, an AY codeshare)
MIA-LIS
MIA-LHR*
MIA-MAD*
MIA-MAN
MIA-NRT
MIA-ZRH

ORD-AMS
ORD-ARN
ORD-BHX*
ORD-BRU*
ORD-CDG*
ORD-FRA*
ORD-FCO*
ORD-GLA*
ORD-HEL (if not, an AY codeshare)
ORD-HKG
ORD-KIX
ORD-LHR*
ORD-MAN*
ORD-NRT*
ORD-TPE

SJC-LGW
SJC-NRT*

STL-LGW*
STL-CDG

AA's future goals are clear: Become even stronger in Latin America, make STL a strong mid-sized domestic hub, make DFW a strong domestic hub, make ORD a strong global hub, make JFK and SJC strong focus cities, and make MIA thier "Gateway to the World" hub (which is what they are calling thier new terminal). The best oppurtunities for trans-Atlantic growth for AA are out of ORD and MIA.



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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33010 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Not sure how many people remember this, but in 1999, AA announced six new long-hauls:

BOS-NRT

JFK-FRA
JFK-NRT

MIA-ASU

ORD-AMS
ORD-SVO

But AA canceled all but JFK-FRA (which lasted like a few months) due to "weak economic conditions". MIA-ASU eventually did start and is still running daily, but via GRU. AA still has the route authority for all six of the routes, in addition to Chicago-Budapest, aforementioned Miami-Lisbon and Miami-Barcelona, along with Miami-Malaga (Spain).



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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

American won't be adding much in the way of international service anytime soon. Don't expect those JFK-Europe frequencies that TWA operated to be restarted either. AA code shares with IB to Madrid and service to Italy from JFK is well covered by AZ and DL and CO and AZ from EWR. You may see a JFK-BRU flight resume (AA operated one from 1987 to 1996) since SN has failed, but that is also a pipe dream. Even when SN operated, BRU was overserved.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineTan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

If AA does not have long-term (4-5 or more yrs) plans to build JFK into an international hub/fortress, why are they spending the millions on the new Terminal?

I would expect them to re-start select routes when economic conditions warrant. Code-shares are fine, to a point, but eventually they will want more of those dollars for themselves. And what if IB drops out of one-world, or someone else? Bet that AA would schedule flights into those cities ASAP.


User currently offlineFleet service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

Once the new terminal is completed it's a fairly safe bet that you'll see JFK utilized as a major international gateway.That was the rationale behind this massive undertaking in the first place.

JFK flying has been reduced due to the construction as well as the post Sept 11 capacity reductions.We've lost 7 gates to construction, that is a big chunk of space.

We are currently operating with twenty gates, when the new terminal is completed, there will be 37 mainline gates and twenty RJ gates.Those 17 additional gates will bring about an increase in service from JFK.

From informal conversations I've had with various supervisors at work,you'll probably see all of the Oneworld carriers (With the exception of BA) operating from the new terminal on completion.From a passenger stand point,it will simplify connections to the other Oneworld carriers.Going outside the Terminal and getting a bus to connect to EI for example,is shoddy and also increases the risk of misconnecting the passengers.






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User currently offlineRyanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

At the end of the TWA name the only trans atlantic route was STL-LGW with everything else shut down. Just before Chapter 11 they only had two or three routes across the atlantic left at JFK, I think Paris, Tel Aviv and Cairo-Riyadh left, flown with 767's.

User currently offlineAirafriqueDKR From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

Mah4546-

AA has began operating MIA-GRU-ASU in the early 90's.


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

The swtch of international routes from JFK to ORD and MIA is quite perminant. Alot of AA employees at JFK have said it is due to lack of O & D. Even with the new Terminal you won't see anything past LHR, CDG and ZRH on the international front. Maybe a JFK-AMS but I doubt that. I did think of a JFK-Milan but that is too well covered by AZ and DL. FCO is too much of a leausure destiantion so that is dying off. Too bad because I loved FCO rather than mialn. There are way better and more sights to see than in Milan which is more realted to the fashion industry.


"FUIMUS"
25 TOMASKEMPNER : I doubt a MAD-DFW will be profitable, but everything could happen, maybe 3 or 5 x week on 767-200ER. BOS-NRT would be an extremely important route and
26 Mah4546 : MAD-DFW was operated in the early 1990s. The flight was not popular, and it was moved to MIA (were it has been a huge hit, of course). However, that w
27 AirafriqueDKR : AA began MIA-GRU-MVD service in 1995 (or maybe 96).
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