GARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1480 posts, RR: 1 Posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 632 times:
Can anybody update the financial status of
MARTINAIR HOLLAND? Have heard for a few months
now that they having serious cash problems, but heard
recently that the situation may be reaching critical
level and may result in shut down of airline?? or
shutdown of all pax service with operations to
be Cargo only. Anybody know any further updates?
One possible scenario of MARTINAIR shutting down
would be a Double Daily MIA/AMS NWA/KLM trip to be started.
I know that NWA is running nearly full on a daily
basis on this trip.
Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31157 posts, RR: 76 Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 593 times:
I have heard nothing about Martinair shutting down. I do know loads on thier MIA flights have been very well as of late (they recently re-started the 5th weekly MIA-AMS which was pulled after 9/11; they have 10 flights a week out of MIA; five to AMS plus 5th freedom to AUA 3x a week and SJC 2x a week). I did hear some rumours a while back about them moving thier MIA-AMS service to FLL-AMS when KLM/NW, but Martinair realesed a statement stating they would remain at MIA, were they are popular. Your right about the NW57/58, though. That plane is going out packed, though, for the winter, it is not running on Tuesday and Wednesday. It goes back to daily April 4th. I have wondered, other than MIA and MCO, do they serve other US/Canadian destinations? Are they still at OAK? YVR? YYC?
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 21 Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 520 times:
AFAIK they're hanging in there. Being a smaller airline they're obviously closer to the margin than the larger boys in pure numbers, but a 10% loss in revenue for them is less in USD than it is for the big boys also.
They're also very strong in cargo, which has probably increased some now that US cargo aircraft have been federalised for transporting cargo in support of the operations in Afghanistan.
They don't have many US destinations either, and that is the hardest hit market.
Given that it is winter right now the charter market is down as a whole, but that is a seasonal thing and quite normal for them (it happens every year, and they count on that).
Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31157 posts, RR: 76 Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 520 times:
What are there US destinations? MCO, MIA, and what else? Like I said before, the MIA-AMS flights are going out packed this winter. Don't know about MCO-AMS. Also, does MP have premium class cabins on thier 763s?
Lj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4169 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 516 times:
Martinair is slightly loss making (not much) However, they decided to cut costs drastically (even before September 11th). Unfortunately the intergration into the KLM Group is still blocked by the EU Commission.
For info on destinations please go to their website http://www.martinair.com/. Note that most US destinations are only served by cargo flights.
KL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 765 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 496 times:
MP suspended their flights to OAK,LAX and EWR long time ago, YVR,YYC and YYZ only operates in summer season
MCO and MIA are the only US (pax) destinations of MP today. with flt nrs MP 631/632 AMS-MCO-AMS, MP 635 AMS-MCO-SJO-AMS, MP 645 AMS-MIA-SJO-AMS and MP 647 AMS-MIA-AUA-MIA-AMS.
MP has already stopped flying pax with their 747's, they are only been used for cargo today
What about their Charter activities in the Meditirranian?? And the scheduled flights to the Caribbean?? Do they have problems there??
I have some idea, why does MP convert their cargo routes to SYD into a pax-route to SYD (or maybe MEL too)?? Via SIN or KUL?? Since KLM suspended their SYD flights, there are no airlines operating from Holland to Australia, and that's a real pity. And that for Schiphol, Europe's forth largest Airport. Maybe MP can get some cash out of that
A340-313X From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 482 times:
I know they still fly 3 times a week to San Jose Costa Rica with a 763, and come Saturdays with a cargo run on a 742 (mostly to pick up flowers)... From what I hear they are nothing special but good prices... The 763 stops in Miami on it's way and comes down here (02:45hr flight) with an average of 50-60 pax. Don't know how profitable that is. Condor used to come here too via Miami, but they dropped us =(....
Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31157 posts, RR: 76 Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 464 times:
A340-313X, do you mean LTU instead of Condor? LTU flew DUS-MIA-SJC until about a year or so ago. They dropped the MIA-SJC sector apparently because they lost thier rights to fly to Costa Rica and were unable to get them back.
A340-313X From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 456 times:
Nope, I mean Condor... They left after high season last year and won't come back no more... They tried different stops on this route such as Cancun, Orlando, Santo Domingo and eventually packed up their stuff and left. British Airways also came for a while with a 772, not quite sure via what but they also ceased that flight a short while after. LTU used to come with an A330 but like you said somehow lost their rights... Iberia and Martinair are the only regular European airlines visiting us now..
KL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 765 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 440 times:
the traffic rights OK...that's true.....for the horrible seats also...(been there done that a few years ago...) All they have to do is improve their seats a little bit more, before they losing more pax.....