1stClassFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2191 times:
of course it is! bigger seats, better food, better atmosphere, better seats, just plane old more luxurious! i definatly would on international flights! i have never flown coach before, so i wouldn't know HOW much better it is.
FEDERICO From Belgium, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2165 times:
Well...this is my opinion...I think it is. Especially if you're going on a long flight. A 2 hour flight or (sorry) within the US...I wouldn't.
The way I see it: when I go on vacation it is to relax, spoil and enjoy myself. So if i'm going to be in a tube for 12+ hours with 300 other people...I want space and I want to be comfortable.
On all of my long hauls I've always been on first.
The shortest one was on Air France between Buenos Aires and Santiago. Excellent service...great breakfast!
Next year...I will be going to Buenos Aires again to visit family and first class it is, and I will be flying Aerolineas Argentinas, once again on the A340. If they're still around.
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2142 times:
It seems like in today's world, too many people live beyond their means. If you can afford it, then fly first class. But if it's a lot of money for you don't do it....you'll arrive only nano-seconds after the first class section. Save the money and enjoy your destination. Bring a good book and a neck rest and you'll survive in coach just fine.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2129 times:
Amidst all of these lofty discussions about the merits of first class, one must ask the following two questions:
1. How many of you have PAID (with your own money) for said first class service?
2. First class typically can cost up to 15 times more than a coach seat on the same flight, if you shop around and book early. Granted, first class IS better than coach, but is it 15 (FIFTEEN) times better than coach?
BryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2112 times:
When you sit in coach it's all a matter of luck. There might be sitting next to you, and you'll have plenty of room to stretch out and relax. Then again, the flight might be packed and you'll be cramped in the middle seat between the two fat guys.
First class basically just guarantees you the comfort that you MIGHT get in coach. There is also the $200 airline dinner that you might not get in coach.
AC_A340 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 2251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2104 times:
I've never paid for first class, neither have my parents for that matter. We always use ff points. Its not that much more for much better service and stuff. Although, when i go to France in 2001, Ithink I'll PAY for First Class for me and my girlfriend.
FEDERICO From Belgium, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2109 times:
I have. At least since I turned 18. I am now 26.
Sorry...but I don't see it as -is it 15 times better than coach? For me it's: do I want to be comfortable? Like AC_340, I'm not a big person...but I like the big seats...I want to be abel toss and turn when I sleep if I want. Especially on long flights...I can't stress that enough. On a short flight I won't pay for 1st.
JmhLUV2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2084 times:
Well, Ive only flown first class once, and that was because we were delayed five hours in Memphis and Northwest gave us the seats for the inconvenience.
I would definitly say that for long hall flights, across the
pond, first class is a must. However, I think the best way to sit in first class is to fly a lot, get those frequent
flyer miles and get upgraded....other wise, for the domestic flights, I tend to be a little conservative and fly coach.
Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2082 times:
First class is wort the money if you have it. If you can not afford first class I would max the credit card to fly it. I suppose if it works with your way of life do it.
I enjoy first class more room, better food, and a tiolet to fewer of you!
Amir From Syria, joined Dec 1999, 1254 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2078 times:
It's interessting to read through your comments about first class. Living outside the US and flying mostly to the middle east and Asia i have a different point of view. For me the question is if F/CL is worth it compared to Business not F compared to Coach!!!!!
With the exception of the US (Domestic) the airlines who still run a F/CL. a targetting different Potentials. For Airlines like CX, SQ, BA, AF, LH, JL, the F/CL. something they run by tradition, they don't expect to get a PAx to fly F/CL. because of the fare they charge. It's more to say, some VIP pax will simply fly the best, so if they deceid on KL it will be C/CL. (KL doesn'thave F/CL.) however if they deceide on BA it mstbe F/CL. because it's the higest on that flight.
The main problem for some carriers is the ever better getting C/CL. which turned the biggest rival of their own F/Cl. Especially corporates who are paying for some executives to fly F/Cl. may opt for C/Cl. instead! (KE had many trobules during 1997-1998 because the managers of the Chaebols were downgrading to C/CL. )
to make a long story short, F/CL. on some routes is worth the money if seen from a prestigous point of view, but if compared to C/CL. it will hardly pay off!
What do you think?
one last word, out of experience, i can assure you that most of the european airlines who still run a F/Cl. are operating same at or below break even! this is due to the overall quite low seat load factor of F/CL. and if you start upgrading people be offering specials like, buy C/CL. and pay a lumbsum you will ruin your first, so it*s an never ending story!
ATA757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2053 times:
I just checked my tickets for LAS in March, on ual.com, and it's $220RT in coach, and $1846RT in 1st class! That has to be a difference not worth paying for, eh? IND has the 2nd lowest outbound fares in the nation, anytime you could fly to SEA for under $200, LAX around $180, STL for $68, ORD for $84, and on P9 to DET $50; all of these are round-trip (RT).
If I can ever get a descent deal on 1st Class, then I guess I'll have to go!!!
Lax2000 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2051 times:
typical price difference is
lax to lhr coach $530.00
lax to lhr business class $6,355
anyone who would pay for this out of their own pocket is nuts!! or very rich... once the flights was over i would quickly forget the food & comfort and wish i had the $5,825 to fly around the world a couple times..and a row to yourself in coach (what i call a skybunk), can rival first class any day, especially if you bring wine, brie & baguettes!!
cheers!! happy new year from LA!!! adam
Charles802 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2045 times:
It is only worth the "money" to me, if you can upgrade, or you are traveling on an award (and don't pay for it at all). First Class is simply a poor value. Whether First, Business, or Coach, it is still transportation. Since the inception of frequent flyer programs in the 80s, I have never once paid for a First Class ticket.
Recently I upgraded to First Class for $40 between PHX and SEA. In that case, the wider leather seat and excellent dinner was well worth the cost.
ATA757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2038 times:
Just this spring I enrolled in Delta's SkyMiles program, and a couple of months ago I enrolled in United's FF program. I'm only 15, so I don't fly like every month, but it will still pay-off in the near future when I go off to college!
Seat 1a From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (15 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2046 times:
Good afternoon and Happy New Year to everyone.
Well, I never gave myself "Seat 1a" due to its ease of rememberance....
I have been there and done it.... but with responsible budgeting rules.
First, I have flown numerous times in Qantas First Class in the early nineties when they still had the Weber seats and the old Canadian First Class service, both over the pacific naturally.
I have only paid a full P-Class fare once, it was my innaugural Qantas flight from AKL-SYD-AKL aboard 747-SP "AB". The flight and experiance was magical as I had wanted to travel to Australia for years and this was the only way to properly introduce my time there. If you are curious, it cost me $1300.00 AUD.
Since that "born again" experiance, I have sat in a F/P seat about 25 times..... I cannot recall ever paying for a full fare ticket but rather a discounted ticket for what ever the reason was.
First reason, this allowed me to stretch MY dollar and take more trips rather than a lessor number and still get First class service. (great for FF points too!)
Second reason, (this comes from experiance) First Class really is not worth the premium fare considering other options. Let me say that again... OTHER OPTIONS!
Do you know where that fare goes... it goes towards million dollar executive bonuses, ivory tower head offices and airline self-congratulation. (I have lots I can discuss on this but will hold back)
Now, large seats and free booze and decent well catered meals are fine, but everyone of us in the forum, I think should look at only one enhanced product!
Can you guess? Of course you can....!
Business Class! (try and get a deal as well) always remember... THIS IS YOUR MONEY! Similar to what was said earlier on.... "you arrive a nano-second later than First Class". And you know what, you do... and that's it. Where are you going to go now that you blew your money on the flight... are you going to go to a hostel and budget inn?
Not me.... I am going to take my savings and stay at a Four Seasons, Ritz, or something similar and enjoy my holiday.
I am taking my fiancee to Honolulu in Feb./00
We are going in the back so we can have a bang up time at the best hotel and drink/eat the best.... rather than spend 4 times more per ticket which will last about 7 1/2 hours each way.... guess what.... that will give me ten times the savings that would put us in a first class hotel for 6 nights with all the trimmings.
Here is a hint for everyone.... pick one global partnership (i.e. Star Alliance) Then stay with them in the back and maybe a little bit up front with consious financial planning, work up the miles and qualify for Gold or Presidential membership.
You know how great a feeling it is to hold an economy boarding pass and be a member of the airline lounge and all the partnership associated lounges along with the numerous perks that one gets... INCLUDING FREE UPGRADE CERTIFICATES!
I am an Air Canada Elite Gold member.... I have qualified once again for 2000 and not once in 1999 did I pay a full fare J or F ticket... AND I WILL NOT.... BEEN THERE, DONE IT! I have sat up front in 1999, but on my upgrades and using points... that's what they are there for!
Here is good planning if you want service up front and a warm holiday...
Air Canada from edmonton to Bermuda via. Toronto
Special Business class fare with Sat, night stay is about $1100.00 CDN ($750.00 USD)
Flight is 3 1/2 - 4 hours to Toronto and 2 1/2 - 3 hours to Bermuda, same return... all in business class.
Now... here is you... sitting next to me!
Edmonton to Toronto with Sat. night stay will be about $2600.00 CDN... keeping in mind you just want to do some flying and a little bit of plane spotting.
Says everything doesn't it! You just have to look for them.... I have booked the above flight less than three weeks before going... so it is not one of these "1 seat in the inventory scenarios".... simply put, "it's the market"!
Anyway.... I am getting long in the tooth....
If you have a sugar daddy out there or just won the lottery.... darn right.... sit in First.... but before that, use common sence first and research every angle!
CSA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (15 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2025 times:
Well if you are flying international it's not worth the money! I would advise you to purchase a Business Class ticket instead, it's very good service on most airlines and at a much lower price. Try Business Class on some airline and you'll be SURPRISED I PROMISE YOU!
Purdue Cadet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (15 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2010 times:
I have had many opportunities to fly all four classes (P, C, F, and Y), and I can say that, to me, P, C, and F would not be worth the marginal cost of flying up there. The fare is just not worth what you get if it's coming out of your pocket. Don't get me wrong - I think that the premium cabins are great, and I go up there as often as possible, but if I were paying full fare, I simply wouldn't.
B737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 891 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (15 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2005 times:
I have a different side of this discussion, I was once on a Delta B727-247A (N2813W) LAS-LAX, unhushkitted and an absolute beauty! I purposely sat in seat 35F to be as close to the JT8D noise as I possibly could. After starting up a conversation with a really nice F/A who said that "it gets awfully loud back here" then offered to move me to first class, which I refused to leave the best seat in the plane besides the cockpit!-Ryan
Authority From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (15 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2029 times:
I've flown 1st Class many times, but have never paid for it. It's a great perk for a frequent flyer. If you we're to pay the $ difference, you would have to drink every alcoholic beverage on the plane, get a back rub, and maybe sit in the captains seat half the flight to get your money's worth. It's nice to recline a couple of degrees farther to help you sleep (I usually do before take off), but other than that, I'll just hang out with the common folk.
Thanks for the insight into your life. I've been reading your blah blah for about a month now and I finally understand where it comes from. I think that I should point out that to me you are a spoiled and misinformed child that need to learn to spell and punctuate in order to be taken seriously. Take care, loser.
Thai747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 1999, 814 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (15 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2004 times:
I've only flown firstclass once in my life on Lufthansa on BKK-MNL route. Apperently that time my dad , who booked the ticket last from my mom+me+my brother couldn't get a seat on YC or BC ( it was a day before x'mas eve last year ) so his company paid for a first class ticket since he need to be there for the x'mas eve ( which they did not have any flight on the 24th ) My dad knew that I was an enthusiast so he let me go for the FC seat on the BKK - MNL route.. The service , seats and food were excellent. But to let me choose, I would go for YC .. its better to save money for another plane ride than just bang it all down for the FC seats. I mean.. afterall I would enjoy the plane ride regardless of the airline , aircraft or class I travel in