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User currently offlineDelta777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 658 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1754 times:

Whats northwests fleet plan now? I know they ordered 757-300s to replace domestic DC-10s. What else are they doing?

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User currently offlinePilotallen From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

NW also has ordered A330's to replace the dc-10's as of 2003 i belive?


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User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4030 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

here we go again... do a search my friend and you will find TONS and TONS of info on this subject.

But to recap with factual and not speculative information.

DC10-40 domestic planes are to be replaced with the 757-300 starting next year some time.

DC10-30 Atlantic planes are to be replaced with the A330-300 starting in 2003 with about 12 to be retained for higher density domestic and Hawaii flying (this is pre 9/11 don't know if this is still in the plans).

The 727 is being replaced with 320/319 aircraft with several to be retained for the NHL and NBA charters

DC9s - no news on what is to replace this workhorse

747-200 - no news as to what will replace these - many of them are newer birds.

747-400 adding 2 next year to make a fleet of 16

319/320 - they continue to build this fleet with new ones arriving throughout next year

757-200 - more are arriving throughout 2002 and the 757-300 will complement this fleet

CRJs continue to arrive for the airlink affiliate Express Airlines I. It is yet to be determined as to who will fly the most recent order of 75 with 75 options for the CL-440 (CRJ-200 with 44 seats). Express is converting 50 seaters of their original award to 44 seat planes due to the scope clause with NW and the poportion of narrowbodies to RJs.

RJ85 fleet that is operated by Mesaba is capped at 36 for the scope clause with NW.

Saabs operated by Express and Mesaba continue to operate with the oldest ones (the A models) to be continued to be phased out of service with both companies. The Mesaba Saabs are the newest ones on the market of only a few years old. Soon, Mesaba will operate all the saabs in the NW Airlink system.

Any ?? let me know.

AZJ


User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

I hear January 7th is going to be a anoucment date for the DC-9 replacement. BUt thats just a rumor. Id bet well see either the 717 (md-95) or A318 or even a mix
Ands for the 742's. Well, id put money on it either a 744 total immerson or maybe a mmix of 744 and A340. NW is turing out to be a huge Aibus contract. That would be so sweet to have a A340-600 in NW colors. THeyll never get a 777 or 767 though.
ANy thoughts?


User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

I hope that they will announce a huge 717 order.....
717fan


User currently offlineDelta777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

I hope they would place an order for the 717s to replace the DC-9s. Thanks for all the help.

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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5522 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Will we see the NWA A330 here in MSP!!??

Continental


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Oh here goes the 717/A318 rumors again. I'm surprised the Do928 wasn't dropped in there too.

I can't remember what site it was, I just spent 20 minutes trying to locate this fleet order site, but about 2 years back it showed that Northwest had an interest in a possible 100 A318s, but keep in mind that is an interest.

I believe Northwest will replace the DC-9s soon, because in a couple years Stage 4 noise goes into effect and I don't know if it is possible to retrofit a DC-9 again any furthur and had they known, they would have retrofitted them a few years back when they did Stage III.

I don't know what will replace the DC-9, but I could probably put my money on that we will know for sure in 2002 some time.

As for replacements for 742s, I'm not going to start any rumors as to what will replace them whether it is a 772, 773, A340 or 744. Some of those 742s are newer than some of Northwest's earliest 757s


User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

Continental, I think we will see the A330 here. It should replace the AMS route and LGW route as well as probably fly a MSP-DTW or MSP MEM one day. I hear there going to use a few for domestic. Id bet we might see some 767 orders to.
Hlydwcraft, your right. People rag on their 742's, but many of them are less than 15 years old. And they way NW takes care of their planes, they might be here a while. But instead of replacement, Id bet we may see some expansion. We already have wiht the 744 orders. Id doubt NW ever gets any 777 though. Theyve got to good of a deal with Airbus I hear. But we can hope.


User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4229 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

Alot of the NW pilots think that the 9's will just be phased out and replaced with A319's..... no 318's or 717's.




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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

I'm trying to think of some of the routes that Northwest currently uses a DC-9 on out of Detroit.

Detroit uses a DC-9 from DTW to Flint which is about 50 miles away, they also use the CRJ and Saab 340 on that route. I don't know if they would want to use an A319 on a route that short. They may however add another CRJ in its place once they get rid of the DC-9s.

Detroit does use the DC-9 a lot on other relatively short hops DTW to Flint, Lansing, Grand Rapids, Traverse City, Tri Cities, and Cleveland. Do you think they would use an A319 on those routes in the future, or would they get an aircraft that size that would be good for short runs like a 717, or would they add a couple of CRJ's in its place?


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4030 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

You people are dreaming if you think there will be an announcement on Jan 7 for a DC9 replacement. HELLO??? Does it look like a good time to be spending additional money when it isn't necessary? Those 9s are paid for, the most reliable plane in the fleet and can go on flying for another several years. It makes no sense to replace them now. So it is just that.... it was "heard" that Jan 7th will be an announcement for the 9 replacements. Perhaps Favre can comment on this?

AZJ


User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1234 times:

I forget the exact number but as of december 2001 Northwest had about 160 DC-9s.

It is staggering how many are 1966 1967 and 68' 69 vintage. These are the money makers for NW. They owe the company nothing!

NW has wisely not gone down the (Replace them for the hell of it) scenario.

I think if the 717 is half as good as the DC-9 then they should replace their fleet with 717s, otherwise NW will risk going down the not necessary road of new airbusses but don't really need them or can afford them like Air canada, UAL and US Airways have.

I'm a Boieng man.. no question, but those NW DC-9s they're an Honest Reliable dependable long living workhorse like no other(732s included)

My 2 cents worth


User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

Azjubliee: Once again we meet to but heads. ANyway, it wouldd make sense if NW anouced a plan soon do to the fact it will take years to get a order processed. Remeber, NW isn't doing that bad, comparibly. Besides they well have to be replaced due to thje Stage 4 noise reduction act. According to boeing, the can't be fitted anyfurther. THose DC'9s are maxed out with upgrades.
I agree with boeing767-300, those DC-9's are great. I really respect NW for not wasting money and replacing aircraft just for the heck of it. THat one reason there doing do well right now. I stil think we will see a A318 and 717 mixed fleet.But that my opinion.

Anyone think there will ever be a 767 order?


User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

Correct me if Im wrong but this inflight magazine says 173 DC-9 10, 30, 40, 50

User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1209 times:

160 / 173 who cares... 160 was a guess from the screeds of DC-9s (from memory) in Bill Harms Census list.
It is the principle not the Exact number.


User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

NW used to be held up as an example of the benefits of retrofitting versus buying a new fleet, but those 9's are still the loudest, smokiest things in the air. Their partner Continental, with its shiny new 737's, must be embarrassed for them. The continued presence of DC-9's in NW's fleet is an example of their willingness to pinch every last penny. They can't get those new A319's soon enough.

User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1182 times:
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They seem to use A319/320's on all sorts of short hops as well as on longer hops already. They are used on runs like MSP-DLH, MSP-ORD and MSP-MDW. I doubt that NW is going to go any other direction than the A318, since it already falls in quite well with their fleet of 319's and 320's. Soon, with the exception of the 747 and 757 (which Airbus does not, at least at the moment have EXACT equivalents of, and the A321 is not exactly the size of a 757), NW is going to have a mostly Airbus fleet.

So what is the big deal about some people in India hijacking a bus to the airport?
Mom, they hijacked a large airplane.
But they are talking about an airbus.
Mom, Airbus makes airplanes. Big airplanes. They compete with Boeing.



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User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1177 times:

Well good luck to North West but they owe nothing on the DC-9s and when they start replacing them with Airbuses then they'll need good luck.

With the exception of Jetblue(No one knows the financial results) and frontier(still too many 737s yet to be replaced) everybody else buying large amounts of A319/A320s in North America is not doing so good.
Air canada, UAL, Canada 3000, US Airways, America west.

If I were NW I would replace the DC-9 fleet with the 717. They'll probably last 35 years sturdy service as well.... longer than anything else. (This is a Boeing Man praising DC Jets!!!!)


User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

I would love to see those DC-10's stay, at least a couple of them.

Also I wish they would keep the good old 727's. I flew in one of those from PHL-DTW a month ago and it was great. They have great performance. They can cruise up to .87 m.

-Dmitry


User currently offlineRhino4ever From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 146 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Don't hold your breath for a nwa order for A-318/B717's. Old news the A318 isn't attractive. Engine proximity to jetway (already dinged two A-319's) and cargo door hard to access due to close and awkward angle to it. Count on the 44 seat crj and A-319/320's to fill the narrowbody flying. They are picking up a new airbus every two weeks for the next few years. A conservative and sound fleet plan that is benefiting them during this time. With the A-319/320/ training cost vs the old DC-9/M-80/B-727 fleet, short/long haul options/cargo capacity/passenger preference, fuel efficiency, AND technical support. (many airlines getting tired of working with Boeing, their arrogance and cost of doing every little thing) NWA has a very sound fleet plan.

User currently offlineDelta777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1139 times:

How many northwest DC-9s have the new 717 interior in them?

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User currently offlineMilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1074 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1130 times:

I feel that simply because the majority of airlines have dumped their DC9's to Tier 2 airlines, doesn't mean they're not suitable for a major to operate. Lots of things to consider when updating a fleet.

The DC9 is a great, stable & simple aircraft.

I sure would like to see new NW 717's however!


User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1115 times:

"We don't know the Jet Blue's result..."

Is it true? I seriously doubt that!

Regards


User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

For the person who asked about a 767 order:

There have been rumors floating around on this site that NWA might try to pick up a new, medium sized, longer range craft to overfly Amsterdam to reach Eastern European destinations from DTW and MSP, such as Warsaw. Speculation has fallen on the 762 and even on NWA launching a new 751, a longer range 757. Both aircraft fit into their current fleet in terms of the common 767/757 type rating, so it doesn't seem too outrageous, though spending any money these days on new planes does!

Does anyone else have any info or ideas?



It is not enough to be rude; one must also be incorrect.
25 HlywdCatft : Was the A330-100 proposal dropped. Wasn't that the A330 that was supposed to be a successor to the A300 in terms of size?
26 Zeus01 : I see what your saying travellin man. ITs true right now about NW's fleet, it is pretty sound. BUt here;s my logic with a mixed 717 and A318 fleet. A3
27 TEDSKI : NW will go for the A340-500/600 if Airbus offers them a PW4000 series engine as an option. If they can't get a PW4000 series engine on the A340 they w
28 ContinentalFan : HlywdCatft, The A330-100 (or later called the -500) was proposed by Airbus to replace A300s, but it turned out that such a shrink was too heavy. LH an
29 Azjubilee : More butting head eh? I just see it as a difference in opinion. NW might be in a great financial position compared to other US majors, but they certai
30 717fan : I think for NW fleet comonality is not as important as for smaller carriers, because they operate such a large fleet of every single type. The future
31 Lowfareair : While the 9s are paid for, there are other costs to remember, such as fuel and maintenance. AirTran said that even after the additional costs to buy t
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