Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?  
User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Africa was not a very good place for MDC with its DC-9/MD-80/90 series in the past. Will the 717 have a better chance there?
717fan

14 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

I don´t think any airline in Africa will buy the 717, if its
not leased to competitive price. Russian/Ukrainan brands still have a big market share in Africa, SAA
is not content with their 737 and trying to down size,
but I don´t think they will go for the 717....


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5721 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2291 times:

I don't think the 717 has a good chance on the EARTH, much less Africa.

I am a huge 717 fan, and am distressed at American's decision to can TWA's 717-231s. That makes me dissappointed. BUT- maybe they will go to MidEX, and then we will have something to talk about...

But seriously, Boeing has orders for 110 of them, and 30 of them are being returned over the next year due to the agreement. That's... 27% of all 717s ordered being returned. What are they going to do with them? Give them away free? Start "Boeing 717 Airlines"??? There's an idea... they could replace Legend airlines here at Dallas...

 Insane

Randy


User currently offlineBestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7062 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

African airlines need the most fuel efficient aircraft possible to protect themselves against dollar fluctuations. Ask any South African how little their currency is worth compared to 12 months ago.

On short sectors where the 717 operates I can see more Turbo-props, such as the Dash-8, ATR and D328 in the African markets. These are far more fuel efficient than even the 717, have lower capacities, and are cheaper to purchase and operate.

On longer sectors the 727 and 732 will reign. Any replacement will cost way too much.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Dear Bestwestern!
Countries like Nigeria produce their fuel, but of course
fuel cost is important. Leasing price is also important,
also paid in Greenbucks....


User currently offlineBestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7062 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

forgot to mention that IATA has highlighted Nigeria as a country that will see major aviation growth in the next ten years.


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Alessandro - Nigeria produces crude oil but has no refineries. There have been severe jet fuel and petrol shortages recently, which have resulted in the cancellation of many flights.

International flights get priority on the fuel that is available.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Dear Ceilidh!
They have refiniries but non work? Heard that the petrol/diesel prize has hiked 18-35% to 0,23US$ a liter.
Source: www.allafrica.com



User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

I have an article from flightinternationl dating summer 01, that Intensive Air of South Africa is interested in the 717. They were in talks with Boeing...but since then I've never heard something about.
717fan


User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1449 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

absolutely not


thank goodness for TCAS !
User currently offlineSunAir From India, joined Jun 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Bestwestern

Yep our currency has gone to the dogs. When I went to the UK in August 2001 it was R13 to the pound. Today it's almost R18. Too hectic.

I think if Sun Air was still around, they would have got 717's.


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Jaap Van Der Velden



Otherwise, I don't think the 717 will ever come to Africa, at least for a long time. I think if you're lucky, you might find some airlines in North Africa (Nouvelair Tunisie) getting a few.

SAA I think are going to end up keeping their 737's. I doubt they'd go for the A320 family or the 717.

SunAir  Wink/being sarcastic



User currently offlineLahaina From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Can you please elaborate on why SAA isn't happy with their B737s???
Thanks.


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Novelair Tunesia for sure not, they are building up an A320 fleet since sometime.

Regards
Flying-Tiger
http://fly.to/rorders



Flown: A319/320/321,A332/3,A380,AT4,AT7,B732/3/4/5/7/8,B742/4,B762/763,B772,CR2,CR7,ER4,E70,E75,F50/70,M11,L15,S20
User currently offlineSunAir From India, joined Jun 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Oh OK i didn't realise they were getting A320's. I've seen them with an MD-80 so that's what I based my opinion on.
thanks for clearing that up.

SunAir  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Check out http://allafrica.com/stories/20011190139.html
and they seem to make money in Nigeria.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200111300529.html


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Any Chance For Airtran Expansion In CLT? posted Tue Aug 23 2005 17:51:31 by Quickmover
Future For The 717 In Latin America? posted Fri Sep 13 2002 19:31:57 by 717fan
Any Chance For The B 767-400LR? posted Tue May 8 2001 06:25:25 by United Airline
Any Chance For The B 747X Or The Nla? posted Sun May 6 2001 05:35:33 by United Airline
Any Chance For The 744? posted Sun Dec 17 2000 13:50:06 by United Airline
Any Chance For Spirit In Buffalo? posted Fri Jul 18 2003 16:58:34 by Danny
Any Room For An LCC In Alaska? posted Wed Jul 19 2006 23:28:14 by EmSeeEye
Any Chance Of A Jumpseat Ride In Brazil? posted Fri Mar 31 2006 18:19:51 by Shane
The End Is Near For The 717 posted Sun Mar 5 2006 19:13:26 by Bruce
Future Of The 717 In Bangkok Air's Fleet? posted Sun Jan 22 2006 08:00:03 by 717fan