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Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?  
User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Africa was not a very good place for MDC with its DC-9/MD-80/90 series in the past. Will the 717 have a better chance there?
717fan

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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

I don´t think any airline in Africa will buy the 717, if its
not leased to competitive price. Russian/Ukrainan brands still have a big market share in Africa, SAA
is not content with their 737 and trying to down size,
but I don´t think they will go for the 717....


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

I don't think the 717 has a good chance on the EARTH, much less Africa.

I am a huge 717 fan, and am distressed at American's decision to can TWA's 717-231s. That makes me dissappointed. BUT- maybe they will go to MidEX, and then we will have something to talk about...

But seriously, Boeing has orders for 110 of them, and 30 of them are being returned over the next year due to the agreement. That's... 27% of all 717s ordered being returned. What are they going to do with them? Give them away free? Start "Boeing 717 Airlines"??? There's an idea... they could replace Legend airlines here at Dallas...

 Insane

Randy


User currently offlineBestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7113 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

African airlines need the most fuel efficient aircraft possible to protect themselves against dollar fluctuations. Ask any South African how little their currency is worth compared to 12 months ago.

On short sectors where the 717 operates I can see more Turbo-props, such as the Dash-8, ATR and D328 in the African markets. These are far more fuel efficient than even the 717, have lower capacities, and are cheaper to purchase and operate.

On longer sectors the 727 and 732 will reign. Any replacement will cost way too much.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

Dear Bestwestern!
Countries like Nigeria produce their fuel, but of course
fuel cost is important. Leasing price is also important,
also paid in Greenbucks....


User currently offlineBestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7113 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

forgot to mention that IATA has highlighted Nigeria as a country that will see major aviation growth in the next ten years.


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Alessandro - Nigeria produces crude oil but has no refineries. There have been severe jet fuel and petrol shortages recently, which have resulted in the cancellation of many flights.

International flights get priority on the fuel that is available.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Dear Ceilidh!
They have refiniries but non work? Heard that the petrol/diesel prize has hiked 18-35% to 0,23US$ a liter.
Source: www.allafrica.com



User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

I have an article from flightinternationl dating summer 01, that Intensive Air of South Africa is interested in the 717. They were in talks with Boeing...but since then I've never heard something about.
717fan


User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

absolutely not


thank goodness for TCAS !
User currently offlineSunAir From India, joined Jun 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Bestwestern

Yep our currency has gone to the dogs. When I went to the UK in August 2001 it was R13 to the pound. Today it's almost R18. Too hectic.

I think if Sun Air was still around, they would have got 717's.


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Otherwise, I don't think the 717 will ever come to Africa, at least for a long time. I think if you're lucky, you might find some airlines in North Africa (Nouvelair Tunisie) getting a few.

SAA I think are going to end up keeping their 737's. I doubt they'd go for the A320 family or the 717.

SunAir  Wink/being sarcastic



User currently offlineLahaina From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Can you please elaborate on why SAA isn't happy with their B737s???
Thanks.


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Novelair Tunesia for sure not, they are building up an A320 fleet since sometime.

Regards
Flying-Tiger
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User currently offlineSunAir From India, joined Jun 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Oh OK i didn't realise they were getting A320's. I've seen them with an MD-80 so that's what I based my opinion on.
thanks for clearing that up.

SunAir  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Check out http://allafrica.com/stories/20011190139.html
and they seem to make money in Nigeria.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200111300529.html


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