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Final Order Tally 2001  
User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1254 times:


Does anyone have the final, complete order tally for the two manufacturers for 2001?



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User currently offlineWidebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1152 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

No one will ever know what the real tally is, including cancellations.....manufacturers tend to be protective of their cancellations, you'll never get a full run-down.....



User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1149 times:

The tally is the number of announced orders minus the number of announced cancellations. AFAIK so far the number of cancallations is small.

On Marc Schaeffer's site the numbers are:

Airbus firm net orders 310 (59.9 %)
Boeing firm net orders 207 (40%)

By family:

A300 61 planes
A320 121
A330 58
A340 0
A380 70
TOTAL 310


B717 -14
B737 148
B747 6
B757 21
B767 28
B777 18
TOTAL 207.

Total narrowbodies: Airbus 121, Boeing 155
Total widebodies: Airbus 189, Boeing 52.

Total net sales were 517 aircraft.




User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

So Airbus is the worlds number ONE now for big passenger Jets! Big thumbs up


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User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

Boeing has said that they will publish its order summary in early January, perhaps their will be some more orders not yet announced.

User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5037 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

I think the number for A380 is 85, not 70, as Lufthansa has signed its contract in December.

User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1100 times:

The number of confirmes orders for the A380 is 97!


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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5037 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

Manni,

FedEx and Qatar Airways have not yet signed the final contracts, so their orders don't count yet.


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1068 times:


Indeed MS:s page only has orders through November, so those are short of December's sales - this explains why Lufthansa's jets weren't in the list yet.


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1043 times:

No orders for the A340? Ouch!!!

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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1030 times:


VirginFlyer,

IIRC there were 3 orders and 3 cancellations, for a net of zero orders. Not a good year for the A340!



User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4166 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1021 times:

Not enitrely true as far as I know. China Eastern has placed the long awaited order for 5 or 6 A340-600 this year if I´m informed correct. Let´s wait until we know more.

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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5037 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1018 times:

Flying-Tiger,

The China Eastern order has been on the books as 'Unidentified' since 2000. Only in 2001 it was confirmed the planes were for China Eastern.


User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1016 times:

Airbus is not the Number 1 in PAX widebodies and at least 70 of the will be used for freight.

User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1014 times:

Neither manufacturer has published their year-end numbers yet, so the answer is no, no one has them. It is difficult to publish the net orders, as Airbus does not publically announce their cancellations. However, as you mentioned, Marc Schaefer has an excellent website that covers most of this information.

At the end of November, the gross order tally stood as follows:

Airbus: 352
Boeing: 294

The year-end totals should look fairly similar.


Joni,

It was actually only 1 for 1. Indeed, the order wasn't even cancelled, it was converted from Sabena to ILFC. However, on the books, it was necessary to show it as 1 cancellation plus 1 new order.


It is interesting to note that in the past three years, the manufacturer who has had the higher order total is also the one who has introduced a new model. In 1999, Airbus rode the launch sales of the A318 (120) to best Boeing by approximately 80 total orders before cancellations. In 2000, the 777LR (49 orders) program allowed Boeing to regain the lead and beat Airbus by nearly 100 orders (again, minus cancellations). Now in 2001, the A380, capturing 70 launch orders (85 w/ Lufthansa) has Airbus out in from by about 50, if December follows the rest of the year. It is also interesting to see that in the following years, the new programs have done little for their respective manufacturers. The 777LR program failed to garner a single order in 2001, while the A318 only scored 16 orders (after American cancelled TWA's order) in 2000 and none in '01.

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