Widebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1150 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 864 times:
No one will ever know what the real tally is, including cancellations.....manufacturers tend to be protective of their cancellations, you'll never get a full run-down.....
Joni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 746 times:
Indeed MS:s page only has orders through November, so those are short of December's sales - this explains why Lufthansa's jets weren't in the list yet.
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 699 times:
Not enitrely true as far as I know. China Eastern has placed the long awaited order for 5 or 6 A340-600 this year if I´m informed correct. Let´s wait until we know more.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2657 posts, RR: 59 Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 692 times:
Neither manufacturer has published their year-end numbers yet, so the answer is no, no one has them. It is difficult to publish the net orders, as Airbus does not publically announce their cancellations. However, as you mentioned, Marc Schaefer has an excellent website that covers most of this information.
At the end of November, the gross order tally stood as follows:
Airbus: 352
Boeing: 294
The year-end totals should look fairly similar.
Joni,
It was actually only 1 for 1. Indeed, the order wasn't even cancelled, it was converted from Sabena to ILFC. However, on the books, it was necessary to show it as 1 cancellation plus 1 new order.
It is interesting to note that in the past three years, the manufacturer who has had the higher order total is also the one who has introduced a new model. In 1999, Airbus rode the launch sales of the A318 (120) to best Boeing by approximately 80 total orders before cancellations. In 2000, the 777LR (49 orders) program allowed Boeing to regain the lead and beat Airbus by nearly 100 orders (again, minus cancellations). Now in 2001, the A380, capturing 70 launch orders (85 w/ Lufthansa) has Airbus out in from by about 50, if December follows the rest of the year. It is also interesting to see that in the following years, the new programs have done little for their respective manufacturers. The 777LR program failed to garner a single order in 2001, while the A318 only scored 16 orders (after American cancelled TWA's order) in 2000 and none in '01.
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