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Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?  
User currently offlineJocke08 From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 83 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

Hi, I will later this year fly to Sydney from Europe in Business Class. On the way TO Sydney I will stop in the "stop-over-city" for a few days. Which airline should I choose considering service in business class, and also the city that I will stay for a few days on the way over etc...

Stockholm, Sweden

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User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3222 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

BA, SQ, EK. Any of those are good.

I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

I recommend either CX, BA or SQ.

For SQ take a flight to Copenhagen (I assume you are starting from Stockholm so CPH is the nearest) then take a flight to Singapore and Sydney. You will get the new B772ER on the CPH-SIN leg with AVOD and the seats are "Ultimo Plus" Seats. From SIN-SYD you will get a B747-400, the standard long haul aircraft with "Ultimo" Seats. The ordinary one has a 52" seat pitch and the plus, I think the pitch is around 55". Be Careful on the SIN-SYD leg because they sometimes deploy an old aircraft on 1 of the 3 flights on that route. (Old means the ones with No Ultimo Seats, regs are: 9V-SMA, 9V-SMB, 9V-SMC, 9V-SMD, 9V-SME, 9V-SMF, 9V-SMG, and 9V-SMH. From what I've heard, theh old seats are quite bad.)

For CX take a flight to London or closer destinations from Stockhom. You will get the B747-400 from LHR-HKG and either the B744 or the A333 on the HKG-SYD leg. I'm not a CX expert so I don't now what they have. If you are lucky, you will get a plane with the new J class. But that is quite unlikely.

For BA, hop on a flight to London. Your plane will be a B747-400 on both legs from LHR-SIN and SIN-SYD. You will get flat J class seats. The most unique thing about them is that some of them face backwords.

You might give Swissair a try on the ZRH-BKK-SIN route.

User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

Forgot To add, I've heard that EK's F and J class are not as good as other carriers'. If you are a real cheapy, take EK bacause I think It is the cheapest of the four.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Singapore Airlines are Australia's most frequent visitor.
In addition, why not take advantage of Singapore Airlines' Singapore Splendour offer. You can stop over in Singapore for $1 a day.

Singapore Airlines offers a luxurious business class product called Raffles Class. The seat has a 52" seat pitch which is one of the largest in the sky and according to trip reports are very very comfortable, and are even more comfortable than certain airline's fully flat 180 degree beds.

In addition, you will be able to experience WiseMen, which is an Audio and Video On Demand service which lets you play, pause, fast-forward and rewind any movie or audio offering, of which there are many.

Also experience World Gourmet Cuisine with 9 signiture dishes from world-renowned chefs, including Australia's very own Gordon Ramsey. Dishes include Famous Singapore chiken rice and Chinese braised duck with yam rice.

Finally, experience the thing SIA is most world-renowned for, in-flight service even other airlines talk about.

Also Hemingway's favourite table
Le Dôme Boulevard Du Montparnasse
Metro to Vavin
SQ to Paris

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User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Getting a little off topic here but..........

Hong Kong-Theres not really much stuff to do here except Shopping. Theres a ton of nightlife. Since shopping is not my cup of tea, I don't really recommend it. But however, I do like their Space Museum and Victoria Hill. In my opinion, too 'modern' city.

Singapore-I'm getting a little baised here Big grin Theres some stuff to do like going to Sentosa, the Zoo, the Night Safari, and stuff like that. It's nightlife is quite good, but not as good as HK. There is more culture than HK.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

That chick is a munter.

User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

Well, depends. Which aircraft do you want to take or stopover? SQ offers B744 and B772ER (refer to 9V-SVE's post). I would recommend CX, SQ, EK, QF, BA.


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User currently offlineMD-87ER From Austria, joined Aug 2001, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

You might try Austrian/Lauda. Vienna is an easy transfer point and the Lauda flight stops at Kuala Lumpur, a very nice city for a stopover.
Though I never tried the Amadeus Class on Lauda's 777, I heard the seats are very comfortable and Lauda is known for their very good meal service (they advertised once with chefs on board).

User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5095 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

BA or Qantas

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User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

If you want a stop-over in Kuala Lumpur, take either Malaysia Airlines or Lauda Air. You can get really cheap stuff in Kuala Lumpur such as DVDs and CDs, though most of them are pirated! Plus you get cheap accommodation as well! 100 AUD could get you somewhere really nice!

User currently offlineRichcandy From France, joined Aug 2001, 850 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1557 times:


If it was me and I wanted to have a stop on the way. I would fly BA or QF. BA business class is better than QF, but the QF crew and food are much better. With
British Airways/Qantas you can normaly stop any were that the 2 airlines connect. So you could have a stop


User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

I would recommend Kuala Lumpur as a stopover city as it offers variety, good food and cheap prices. Malaysia Airlines offers passengers a free side-trip to any Malaysian resort/city or Singapore as well if you travel long-haul with them.

With MAS code-sharing with KLM out of Scandinavia - you also have the option of flying on KLMs 747-400 Combis or MAS 777s. Alternatively, Lauda Air also code-shares out of Vienna and if you travel with an MAS flight code - you may be eligible for that free side-trip in addition to KL as a stopover.

See my trip report of MAS' service in the trip report forum.

User currently offlineAndie007 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 884 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1542 times:


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1767 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

I would vote for Austrian/Lauda. Inflight service out of this world, a stop in KUL which is an interesting city. I cannot recommend them more highly.

If you fly business class, you get your onboard chef to cook to your specifications...

User currently offlineKonstantinos From Greece, joined Jun 2001, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

The best route for you to take and with very good prices would be with Olympic Airways.
Fly down to Athens and catch the direct flight to Sydney on the Airbus A340-300.

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User currently offlineJohn Walton From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

I thought BA/Qantas/CX code shared to Sydney, if thats the case then all you have to do is find a reason not to fly SQ!


User currently offlineShortfinals From Malaysia, joined Jul 2000, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1512 times:

I would try MH/SQ

MH has some stopover packages, as does SQ for USD 1. But you gotta read the fine print. KUL and SIN make for interesting stopovers.

BA's flat bed would be my next choice too, but (I don't know if this applies for tickets ex Europe) from Malaysia, they have a 450 USD "flat bed" surcharge they apply to C class tickets. So it would end up costing quite a fair bit more to fly BA. On this you could stop at SIN also since BA doesn't fly to KUL anymore.

You would end up flying 744's all the way, which ever airline you chose.

User currently offlineParisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1503 times:

No one seems to mention Garuda Indonesie ?

User currently offlineJsmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

perhaps there is a good reason for that Parisien?

User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2549 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

kroean Air All the way!! The best way to fly!!

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User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1280 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

In this circumstance, I would NOT recommend flying Qantas.
If you would insist on Qantas, I would strongly urge you to take Qantas on the shorter route. Qantas business class will be below your expectations, and with little of the aircrafts done with the new PTV's, I say your chances are slight if not zero.

Take Singapore Airlines - Now more than ever a great way to fly!


Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

If you fly CX, getting a 333 aircraft (NB - NOT 330 aircraft) will get you NEW business class.

From a lot of trip reports, the SQ Ultimo seats are NOT comfortable, I've read more unfavourable reports than not.

Also beware that SQ has some B777-300 flights from SIN-SYD and these do not have the Ultimo seats apparently (could be a good thing)  Smile

QF business is not a great product, BA is far superior, even SQ is better. The seat is QF's biggest let-down, and on a 23 hour flight, that must be a factor.

You could try JL. Their business class is supposed to be alright. ANA is also worth a try, though it has less room than all of the competitors.

NG (OS) has a good business class, they're worth a try as well.

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User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Lauda Air?
Malaysia Airlines?
Thai Airways?

User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (14 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

I heard that the Ultimo is quite Comfy. The people who said it include B-HXB who is doesn't really like SQ. I think the biggest let down is it's seat pitch, only 52" compared to airlines like Delta which have 60"

25 B747-4U3 : I reccommend Garuda Indonesia. You can stop off at CGK. I flew Garuda last year and I thought they were fairly good. They give a lot more leg room tha
26 Garuda : Garuda flies to SYD nonstop from either CGK or DPS (using A330-300); to AMS direct from CGK via SIN; to FRA nonstop from SIN and to LGW direct via FRA
27 Japanguy : I would definately recommend JAL for this. First, you get to stop in Tokyo, which is an amazing city. Second, the JAL service is top notch. But you ca
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