US A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1600 times:
When did Continental begin flying this route nonstop, and how has it performed. Do they make money off of this route or was it just implemented to award frequent fliers. Was it always flown with the DC-10 before it was recently replaced by the 764? Thanks for any input.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16560 posts, RR: 52 Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1390 times:
The fact that it's still operating on a full schedule indicates the flight has a positive impact on CAL's bottom line, whether as a direct result of the flight itself or the connecting passengers it provides to the Micronesian system.
It was launched in '98 ( I think) and was a Dc-10 until they were phased out in favor of the 767-400s.
A little piece of trivia for ya,
Did you know United operated a daily nonstop EWR-HNL 747 flight back in the Eighties, and that CAL operated a thrice weekly nonstop DC-10 flight from JFK-HNL (which continued on to Sydney) in the late Eighties. The Flight operated from the old Eastern Airlines terminal.
777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 19 Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1373 times:
The JFK and EWR-HNL flights back in the 80s used to be very popular, especially the JFK flight. Believe it or not, a surprisingly high percentage of the JFK passengers were only making an intermediate stop at HNL- most continued with the aircraft to SYD as it offered the chance to avoid LAX/SFO, and actually saved passengers an hour or two in total. I believe at one point, in our advertising programs, we billed it as "The fastest way from NY to Australia" or something to that effect.
EWR handled more leisure traffic, but again, quite a few people took advantage of our services to SYD/MEL/AKL/BNE and connected in Honolulu.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1320 times:
Continental launched the present EWR-HNL service in 1998 with a DC10-30. It has proven to be extremely popular and not a OnePass (Frequent Flyer reward vehicle). The flight is often booked solid and is unique in that it is the only other nonstop from the East Coast of the US to Hawaii (Delta had an Atlanta-Honolulu nonstop but now operates it ATL-LAX-HNL with a 764). Continental retired its DC10 fleet following 9/11 and now flies the route with a 767-400.
762er From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 542 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1305 times:
I'm just curious as to whether there have been any AWABS restrictions with this route since the 764 took over. I'd have to think that when headwinds are strong and the plane is packed, it might have some difficulty without dropping cargo/luggage on the west bound leg. I gues there have been no problems thus far. Just seems like on some days the ole 764 will really have to stretch her legs.
777d From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1241 times:
That is incredible that the 767-400 burns half the fuel of the DC-10 on the EWR-HNL route.......absolutely amazing.....reducing that much cost on a route must be a money maker for the carriers.........
Wonder if there is a comparison regarding the 747-100 and 200 vs. the 747-400 and 777 of today
Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3828 posts, RR: 18 Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1166 times:
You'd be surprised what advances in tecnology can do for performance 762er, I'll get some more precise fuel numbers of the next flight plan I use on these flights for comparison, but for now here's some rough figures.
Flight 14, last time I operated as First Officer Hnl-Ewr.
Take off weight 432000lbs, flt time appx 8hrs, departed with 116000lbs fuel arrived with 26000lbs burn off 90000
The last time I operated Rio-Ewr on the -400 I compared
fuel burns with the 10 that we deadheaded back on there was an 80000lb difference.
Consider that you have a two engine aircraft that weighs far less, Max GTOW 450000lbs versus 572000
that was designed with fuel economy in mind and it starts to make sense.
On the 10 they were lucky to get the total fuel flow down to 15000 lbs per hour towards the end of the flight
when they were light, the most we burn is 12000 lbs per hour and its usually closer to 10000. While half is a bit much 40% is realistic and thats pretty impressive.
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
Timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6634 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1126 times:
You're right about CO JFK-HNL-- looks like they started it in 1986 or '87 and then shifted to EWR; EWR-HNL discontinued in 1988. But I sure can't find any UA EWR-HNL nonstops; when do you think that was?
Clipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1084 times:
I flew JFK-HNL in Bizz. class back in 1986. It was one of the best flights I have ever flown. Great service. Ex-Garuda DC-10. We departed from the Eastern Terminal at JFK and the next thing I knew I was smelling plumerias and feeling that warm rush of Hawaiian tradewinds thru the now open cabin door. No feeling like that!