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User currently offlineUS A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

When did Continental begin flying this route nonstop, and how has it performed. Do they make money off of this route or was it just implemented to award frequent fliers. Was it always flown with the DC-10 before it was recently replaced by the 764? Thanks for any input.

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User currently offlineUS A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

Anybody?

User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

Im guessing they are making money on this route, it was always a dc-10 they might of flown the 747 they had there, but i dont know about that.. majority of the time it was a dc-10


Go big or go home
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

The fact that it's still operating on a full schedule indicates the flight has a positive impact on CAL's bottom line, whether as a direct result of the flight itself or the connecting passengers it provides to the Micronesian system.

It was launched in '98 ( I think) and was a Dc-10 until they were phased out in favor of the 767-400s.

A little piece of trivia for ya,

Did you know United operated a daily nonstop EWR-HNL 747 flight back in the Eighties, and that CAL operated a thrice weekly nonstop DC-10 flight from JFK-HNL (which continued on to Sydney) in the late Eighties. The Flight operated from the old Eastern Airlines terminal.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

The JFK and EWR-HNL flights back in the 80s used to be very popular, especially the JFK flight. Believe it or not, a surprisingly high percentage of the JFK passengers were only making an intermediate stop at HNL- most continued with the aircraft to SYD as it offered the chance to avoid LAX/SFO, and actually saved passengers an hour or two in total. I believe at one point, in our advertising programs, we billed it as "The fastest way from NY to Australia" or something to that effect.

EWR handled more leisure traffic, but again, quite a few people took advantage of our services to SYD/MEL/AKL/BNE and connected in Honolulu.


User currently offlineUS A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

Isn't that ironic that Continental operated that flight out of JFK while United operated it out of EWR. How things have changed in this industry.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Continental launched the present EWR-HNL service in 1998 with a DC10-30. It has proven to be extremely popular and not a OnePass (Frequent Flyer reward vehicle). The flight is often booked solid and is unique in that it is the only other nonstop from the East Coast of the US to Hawaii (Delta had an Atlanta-Honolulu nonstop but now operates it ATL-LAX-HNL with a 764). Continental retired its DC10 fleet following 9/11 and now flies the route with a 767-400.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offline762er From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 542 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

I'm just curious as to whether there have been any AWABS restrictions with this route since the 764 took over. I'd have to think that when headwinds are strong and the plane is packed, it might have some difficulty without dropping cargo/luggage on the west bound leg. I gues there have been no problems thus far. Just seems like on some days the ole 764 will really have to stretch her legs.

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4369 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

I fly this route quite regularly.We are always full and are able to carry between 20-40,000 lbs of cargo depending on flight time.

That varies between 10-11 hours depending on winds.This is now a 764 seven days a week.
We never leave luggage behind and are still able to
arrive with 2hrs+ of fuel.

It is close to the limits of the aircraft but it does it very well and burns roughly HALF what a DC10 did.Its an outstanding aircraft.



The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
User currently offlineUS A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

Are you a pilot Max Q?

User currently offline777d From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

That is incredible that the 767-400 burns half the fuel of the DC-10 on the EWR-HNL route.......absolutely amazing.....reducing that much cost on a route must be a money maker for the carriers.........

Wonder if there is a comparison regarding the 747-100 and 200 vs. the 747-400 and 777 of today


User currently offline762er From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 542 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

I highly doubt that the 764 burns half the fuel the DC-10 did on that route. I know the 764 is much more fuel efficient, but let's be reasonable here--half? No way.

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6785 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

Maybe CO resumed EWR-HNL in 1998, but they certainly flew it before that, in the late 80s or early 90s. I'm guessing just with the DC-10.

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4369 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

You'd be surprised what advances in tecnology can do for performance 762er, I'll get some more precise fuel numbers of the next flight plan I use on these flights for comparison, but for now here's some rough figures.

Flight 14, last time I operated as First Officer Hnl-Ewr.
Take off weight 432000lbs, flt time appx 8hrs, departed with 116000lbs fuel arrived with 26000lbs burn off 90000
lbs.

The last time I operated Rio-Ewr on the -400 I compared
fuel burns with the 10 that we deadheaded back on there was an 80000lb difference.

Consider that you have a two engine aircraft that weighs far less, Max GTOW 450000lbs versus 572000
that was designed with fuel economy in mind and it starts to make sense.

On the 10 they were lucky to get the total fuel flow down to 15000 lbs per hour towards the end of the flight
when they were light, the most we burn is 12000 lbs per hour and its usually closer to 10000. While half is a bit much 40% is realistic and thats pretty impressive.



The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
User currently offlineILS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1403 times:

Hi Max Q. Did you used to fly the DC-10 before you became a 764 FO? I frequented the EWR-HNL route and IAH-HNL on the DC-10 and I wonder if I might have met you.

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6785 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

You're right about CO JFK-HNL-- looks like they started it in 1986 or '87 and then shifted to EWR; EWR-HNL discontinued in 1988. But I sure can't find any UA EWR-HNL nonstops; when do you think that was?

User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1328 times:

I flew JFK-HNL in Bizz. class back in 1986. It was one of the best flights I have ever flown. Great service. Ex-Garuda DC-10. We departed from the Eastern Terminal at JFK and the next thing I knew I was smelling plumerias and feeling that warm rush of Hawaiian tradewinds thru the now open cabin door. No feeling like that!
Aloha



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

My bit of mindless trivia:
United flew (as did I) JFK-HNL nonstop with DC8-62's in the very early 1970's.
Route then switched to a 747-122 JFK-ORD-HNL.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Air Canada has flown a daily YYZ-HNL 763 for about 10 years (started with Canadian).

Ironically, until CO restarted EWR-HNL, only YYZ and ATL had n/stop to HNL.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

...from the east coast that is.


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
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