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Shame For The Most Modern European Airport  
User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Athens was hit by a snow blizzard after 10 years. Roads were closed and many flights cancelled. Was the new Athens airport ready for this??
The new and 'modern' airport faced a huge problem when the german management found out that the airport has no de-icing equipment. Many large jets had severe icing and the airport couln't do anything. As a solution, the fire department started spraying the aircraft with hot water (!) that caused the formation of more ice on the metal surfaces! Greek and foreign pilots were laughing at the situation that was so shameful for a new airport. Finally, the fire department filled the spray tanks with anti-ice fluid that still could not meet the demands.
I don't know what you all think but I believe that the situation was very shameful for a new airport in the 21st century.


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User currently offlineSchreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

What the f*ck has that to do with europe? Mistakes can happen.


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User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

What the f*ck has that to do with europe?
What do you mean??? Athens is in Europe....

Mistakes can happen.
This is NOT a mistake. I felt really embarassed as a Greek while seeing this on the news. It is a bad reputation for a country that will host the Olympic Games in 2 years...



User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Athens' first blizzard in ten years?
So obviously it's not a normal occurance there and as such, and rightfully so, it wasn't planned for!!

So I don't think it's shameful at all; just an "out of the ordinary" situation.
I mean, does Dubai or Riyadh plan for snow blizzards??



User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

In Dubai and Riyadh the temperature is always hot and not humid. In Athens it can get enough cold for ice to form and a new international airport should always be prepared with at least the minimal equipment. It smows in Greece every winter, it is just downtown Athens that had a surprise.

User currently offlineSchreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

Athenes is Greece... not Europe... Have u heard about such problems at Schiphol, of other great airports in Europe? So, it's NOT an European problem...


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User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Oh now I get it Schreiner. So Greece is not in Europe. Better take all my Euros back to the bank, there must have been some kind of a mistake.

BTW, don't forget that germans are running the airport and will be running it for many years to come, not greeks.


User currently offlineGaruda From Indonesia, joined Nov 2000, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Guys, calm down.... I'm sure there's a misunderstanding here......

Schreiner:
Please read the topic carefully. It's about "Shame for The Most Modern European Airport", not "Shame for the European Airports". Athens' new airport is indeed Europe's most modern (newest) airport.

Lewis:
Please don't take it too personal. I'm sure what Schreiner has said has nothing to do to insult Greeks, Germans or any other nationality.



User currently offlineKonstantinos From Greece, joined Jun 2001, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

ONLY IN GREECE !!!

The airport was not ready to open, but they went ahead with it. Serves them right !


User currently offlineHB-IQF From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

It is not important in which country an airport is, but they all should have a minimum equipment for winter/snow operation ! Here in Germany on many airports they still have problems every year with the first snow-days ! Like this year at ...(it is better to leave it open !) after serveral hours of snowfall and cold conditions, the airport-authorities couldn´t get it done to remove the snow from one of the two runways ! The hole Tamark was covered with nearly 30cm(!!!) of snow even the Taxiways !!! But thats not all, later in the afternoon they closed the airport until
10pm ! Why ? Deicing fluid for the runways and for the aircrafts was out of stock !!! Remember: "it never snows in Germany!!"
Just a small story.... Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

I am not insulted. I feel that there is so much ignorance; it seems that Schreiner believes that Greece is not good enough to be European. Either you want it or not we are European. I stated a problem of my home airport and you just had to critisize on wether Greece is a european country or not.

User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

So obviously it's not a normal occurance there and as such, and rightfully so, it wasn't planned for!!

Good thing aircraft designers do not use this philosophy. Fortunately for travelers, we do plan for failures and abnormal events.

Cheers,
Pete


User currently offlineHB-IQF From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

@Lewis,

it is correct Greece is deffinitly European ! And it makes
no diffrent to Germany, France, Netherlands Great Britain or other countries ! We are all on the same continent ! Greece is just a little south of us but nothing more !!! Think about it Schreiner !!!
I was there1.5 years ago and believe me they are European and even more friendlier than some others called european !!!
Thats all.....


User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Hey guys do you remember what happened the Christmas day of 2000 in Milan MXP??

5 cm of snow and for 36 hours there were the caos. 70% of flights cancelled and all the others with more than 3 hours of delay.

The reason: it was the Christmas day and the number of workers were reduced so there weren't enought people to keep clean the two runways and the parking area. Also two of the de-iceing machine were broken.
And the resturants ended the food.
A terrible christmas for thousands of travellers.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6477 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

Schreiner,

Very close to the worst comments I have read on this board. You obviously didn't read his header before you took off on a no sense tirade!


User currently offlineT-Bird From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Well, I think the head-line is a bit misguiding, Athens is
not the "the most modern european airport", I would go
Schipol, Heathrow or some other major airport in Central Europe. But sure
Athens airport need improvement just like Atlanta does....


User currently offlineUnderminer From Greece, joined Aug 2001, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2247 times:

It's about time for Hochtief to start apologizing for the new Athens International Airport. After the leaking ceiling, now another problem!!! And this time it was not OA's problem. Greek media just reported that from the 3 ground-handling companies (Olympic, Swissport and Goldair Handling) only Olypmic has one de-icing machine for aircrafts, despite the fact that each company should have one! (No Hochtief doesn't have to apologize for Swissport, but for the fact that the airport was not ready for this weather conditions=closed runways)
If AIA is the most modern european airport or no is something I don't know. But if someone thinks what it has costed until today, and what it costs each time someone flies to it, IT SHOULD BE THE MOST MODERN AIRPORT IN EUROPE  Angry


User currently offlineCharliecossie From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 479 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

Allessandro:
Athens airport is brand spanking new. It is the most modern airport in Europe. Whether it actually works is open to speculation........


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Lewis,

When Atlanta was hit by only a few inches of snow a few days ago, it caused about 400 flights to be either canceled or delayed.

Not all airports are equiped with de-icing equipment.

Occasionally, a warm climate city will be hit by a slight snow storm. However, its not worth spending millions on de-icing equipment for such rare occurences. The same goes for Athens.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

Europeans are funny.

User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

"Occasionally, a warm climate city will be hit by a slight snow storm. However, its not worth spending millions on de-icing equipment for such rare occurences. The same goes for Athens."

I agree; this was my point too.
Original post said first blizzard in TEN years!

Mike  Smile


User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

It's not only that. I just heard that the de-icing fluid has finished and most flights are cancelled. There is a chaos in the airport and the passengers of Air 2000 flight to London were kept on the aircraft for 6 hours with no water. No one from Hochtief helps for the situation and a relative of a passenger of Air 2000 accused the airline of abducton of his son because they wouldn't let him off the aircraft.

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

On a sidenote to HB-IQF:
you didn't reveal the name of the german airport you were talking about, but you gave an important clue  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.

And BTW, in Swiss news I only heard of one german airport, where that happened.

But that was only a sidenote. Where there are people, there will be errors made. Athen was blocked by the snow. So what? happens all the time in other airports, and much worser things happen as well. I wouldn't exagerate only because of the snow at ATH.

Gerardo




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User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

The same could have really happened anywhere....all in all, inconvenient for many travellers, embarrassing to some Greeks-but mostly quite funny!

Lewis, I can understand your disappointment, but look at what happened during the first few days of Hong Kong's new airport, Chek Lap Kok opening.....computer systems failed, and the whole place was utter chaos....

When I arrived at Heathrow Terminal 3 a few days ago, from a longhaul flight, all pax on the Virgin flight had to carry their luggage out of the airport by hand.....not a single trolley was available for us.....and we were the last flight of the day! How hard is it to provide trolleys for pax at arrivals?

It's not just Athens, beleive me!

Regards


25 Alessandro : Dear BA! Yes, I think its worth to spend a lot of money into safety (in other words de-icing). Imagine the revenue loss when a major airport is closed
26 BA : Alessandro, Go to every major warm-climate airport. You will find that NONE of them are prepared for a snow storm. You know why? Because these type of
27 Lewis : It is not only that. I visited the airport today because a relative was supposed to leave for LHR. The road outside the airport was full of snow and i
28 BA : Lewis, Denver (DEN) had LOTS of problems when it first opened. Such as the baggage claim system failing, the train that connects the concourses and te
29 Ovelix : The last time Athens had such snowfall was in 1963 and before that was 1941. So, if ATH closes every 40 years due to bad weather where is the problem?
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