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Pilot's And Guns  
User currently offlineBA747-100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 955 times:

Do you think pilot's should carry gun's for the safety of the people on board? please tell me what you think.

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User currently offlineUS AIRWAYS From United States of America, joined May 1999, 432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 815 times:

It might be a good idea for pilots to carry guns. It should be locked away in the aircraft somewhere for safety. You never know. It might have helped prevent the Indian Airlines incident. On the other hand, if the pilot had suicidal thoughts or just went crazy, it would be a massacre in the skies. It is safe in some ways, and dangerous in others.

Jonathan
Philadelphia, PA



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User currently offline1stClassFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 800 times:

NO WAY!!! i believe there was a post a few days back about flight attenants being able to have acess to guns, and the majority of the responses were NO! and i feel this is the same! if someone is goign to hijack a plane, they aren't going to do it alone! there would be at least probably three or four! and if the pilot was confronted by a hijacker in the cockpit, he couldn't get to the gun fast enough, and if he tried, he would get blow away!! putting all of the lives on board at risk! and if the hijackers got hold of that gun, just more fire power for them!! so as you can see, i say NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!(i would suggest you check out the topic about flight attenants and wepons!)any one elce agree?

User currently offlineBuff From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 791 times:

My answer as a pilot: absolutely not. If it's known you are carrying a weapon, then the stakes are already escalated.

User currently offlineAmir From Syria, joined Dec 1999, 1254 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 785 times:

it might help in some cases, but frankly, a pilot is supposed to fly and not to play a police officer!
After all, Aeroflot Pilots- among others- were carrying guns (at time of the USSR) and even this didn't prevent so many hijakings from taking place.
I think that this issue should be resolved at a point before passengers get to the aircrafts > and by having tough laws/punishments for those smuggling guns on board of aircrafts.




User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5066 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 786 times:

Absolutely Not! It will only lead to more trouble. it will not prevent a hijacking. Hijackers tend to carry sophisticated weapons. Your little pistol is no match for two guys with AK47s and grenades!


Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 765 times:

This subject (with respect to FAs) was covered within the last couple of weeks, and the same reasons apply. As Buff and Bruce correctly point out, having a couple of 9mm's aboard doesn't equal the firepower from multiple hijackers with automatic weapons and explosives. Plus, you're setting the stage for the higher probability (not *possibility*) of an in-flight shoot-out. Can you imagine the scenario of *both* pilots being wounded/killed, with nobody left to land the aircraft. Even if the aircraft doesn't crash, there are undoubtly going to be some innocent folks hurt/killed in the crossfire.

Another major problem with this sort of idea (not discussed in the previous thread) is that it serves to negate airport security in a sense. For years, we've been working hard to catch guns at security, keeping them from getting onboard. Under a plan where either pilots/FAs have access to onboard weapons, it's then no longer necessary for a potential hijacker (even a solo nut) to have to worry about getting a gun past security. They merely overpower the crewmwmbwe and get *theirs*. This alone would inspire many more solo acts of craziness.


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6639 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 763 times:

Normally the right thing to do is to do whatever the hijacker tells you to do. There's no room for heroes on the flight deck. Dead bodies slumped over the controls are rather bad for the flight characteristics, as are windshieldless aircraft.

Surely if people do exactly as they are told, any death or injury can be limited.


User currently offlineBryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 760 times:

On many international flights, Sky Marshals will be aboard. Looking like any other passengers, they are both armed and undercover.

User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 761 times:

I think so only if it took two keys to open the box it is held in. there would be two different keys to each box 1) all flight attendents would have, & the 2nd kind the pilot would have so it would take two of them to get the gun. This would work in some cases but not in others(depends on what happens)

I know some think if passengers new there was a gun on board they would feel unsafe but the airlines shouldn't have to tell people that the plane will hold a gun

thanks
flying_727



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 753 times:

Flying_727 wrote:
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I know some think if passengers new there was a gun on board they would feel unsafe but the airlines shouldn't have to tell people that the plane will hold a gun
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The passengers' feelings notwistanding, the larger concern would be letting potential malcontents/hijackers know that weapons were standard equipement (keys or no keys) on the aircraft. Once the word got out, it'd be out.

Still think the best way is screening and keeping weapons off to begin with. In the rare event (here in US) a hijack happens, one's better off following instructions and not playing some Hollywood hero. Every airline crew manual I've seen says just that.

Cheers...


User currently offlineLonnie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 752 times:

if you don't have one, you don't think about using it, if you do have one the thought is usually there as well. safety is important in all fields of everyday living, but I don't think packing a pistol is the answer to promote safety, a little bit of common sense and respect for others I think would go alot further?

User currently offlineCALPilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 758 times:

Never......

User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 740 times:

everybody has a good point on the subject. And you say no, but what would you say when the plane you are on is hijaked. That might be the time you would wan't it and you could save someones life or your own.

flying_727



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 741 times:

Flying_727 wrote:
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everybody has a good point on the subject. And you say no, but what would you say when the plane you are on is hijaked.
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What would I say? Very easy.

"Our Father, Who Art in Heaven...."



User currently offlineSpaceman Spiff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 736 times:

Flare Guns. They will leave a nasty welt from close range!! They work really well too as long as you don't mind setting the aircraft on fire! So how about this: Let the pilots decide if they want to pack heat or not on any particular flight. There are already many things on an airplane that can be used as weapons. Rope, crash ax, flashlights, etc. Bullets can lead to explosive depressurization and that is not all that fun. It sucks. Anyway if the pilots decide they want to fight which is normally a bad idea, there are already things on board that could be used for that purpose.

User currently offlineBuff From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 737 times:

There are no flare guns on most commercial jetliners. As far as all the arguments "for" guns: why not just read what the Indian Airlines Captain had to say.

The attitude of "superior firepower" on board a jetliner is pure lunacy.

Best Regards,

Buff


User currently offlineBA747-100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 739 times:

By the way I think if the USA would stop acting like a hero sticking their nose into other countries problems we wouldent have to worry about this and please don't deny this my dad travels all over the world and he knows how people feel about the U.S.

User currently offline1stClassFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 736 times:

well, jeez, sorry that we try to help solve wars, fights, and dissagrements!!! if us americans didn't "stick our noes' in other people bussiness" their would be so many wars STILL going on, that it wouldn't even be funny! and the american government give OUR money to help rebuild places demolished by wars, bombs, ect. because we feel like it. we DONT have to do it would do it because we feel it is right!!! so i think you non-americans should STOP saying that we stick our noes' in other people business, because we only do it when it necessary, or we are asked to!!! and if so many forgin people dont like us americans, they should stop comming to our contry!! we obiously are doing SOMTHING right, people keep on comming to our country!!!

User currently offlineBuff From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 731 times:

Please folks - we aviation enthusiasts are a community. A community that could be the first truly international, non-nationalistic community in modern times. As not should this become a "cowboys" or "wild wild west" issue, should our collective attitudes not sink to name calling. Call me Johan or call me Yellow! I just wish we could discuss this hot issue rationally!!

Sorry for being patronizing...

Please don't shoot me.

Best Regards,

Buff


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