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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5923 times:

Can anyone please describe the cabin interiors on Pan Am's 747-100 and A310-300 fleet from the late 1980's to 1991 when the airline folded?

Did the A310-300's have three class service (First, Business, and Economy) as the 747's?

What were the names of Pan Am's premium cabins? Clipper Class? First Class?

ContinentalEWR

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User currently offlineILS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

Photo Requests Forum.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5851 times:

No, not photo requests forum. I am asking for written descriptions not photographs. Thanks for the useless reply. What do you do, own this site?



User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

I was never inside one of the A300's, but the 747's for the most part (and this was in the late 80's) had First, Clipper, and Economy. Clipper was equivalent to Business, I assume as I only rode in coach. I am not sure what you are looking for, but I can remember that some seats were blue, some red, and some were sort of violet. They all had this bar pattern, I guess you would say, throughout in a darker shade then the actual seat. So the blue seats were like a royal blue with slightly darker bars, same with the red and violet. If you looked at them from a distance they looked like solid colors. Only up close did you notice the pattern. The bulkheads seperating each cabin had a brightly colored tweed fabric on them. I believe one of them was a balloon scene. Now on some of the other 747's, I remember them having solid navy blue coach seats with a grey pattern throughout. It looked like this..." " " " " " " " " "
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Is this what you wanted to know? If it was something else let me know and I will do my best.


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5789 times:

The seatbelts had the PAN AM meatball painted on the belt buckles. I did recall that one PA 747 had all red seats. I beleive that was the lastest interior by the airline. The seats were packed in and quite cramped. Clipper Class was way more luxurious. I wasn't too thrilled by Y as it looked like "any other airline getting stingy" Put the Clipper Class was the greatest thing in pax comfort and anemities.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineCF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 1144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

I rode on a couple of 747s, A310-200s and A300s during the period 1985 to 1991. It was right around 1985, I believe, that Pan Am revamped its cabins, getting rid of the brighter colors (red, medium blue and gold) that had been used since the late 70s and going to a more conservative appearance in all classes.

The 747s and transatlantic A310s featured three-class service: 'First', 'Clipper' class (business), and 'Cabin' class (economy). In these aircraft, First was in a dark blue leather with special lamb's fleece inserts in the seatbacks. The front bulkhead of the 747s had a tapestry of a stylized clipper ship. The A310s had more standard non-descript bulkheads, some sort of gray laminate as I recall. Clipper class was 6-abreast on both aircraft and featured cloth seats in a tweed (brown/beige) subtle herringbone pattern. I recall it being very soothing to the eye. Also, those headrest towels draped on the seat tops were a dark brown leather. Classy. Economy class went to a navy blue cloth with little stylized beige geometric disks about an inch in diameter, spaced evenly across the blue. The overall appearance was definitely dark blue, with the beige designs apparent at closer range.

BTW, the transatlantic A310 fleet included some -200s as well as -300s. They had less range of course, and according to DL staff, would often stop to refuel if bad headwinds were encountered westbound. All told, Pan Am had 7 series -200s and I'm not sure if all of them eventually made it into transatlantic service. I know that early on, they were used on the German internal segments and would appear on NYC- Florida in the winter. These ships, fleet numbers 801-804, had a more traditional two-class arrangement in a cabin design unique to the Airbus (including the A300): rust and blue cloth diamond pattern in First, and coach in pink and light blue cloth. The bulkheads in both F and coach were dramatic prints of galaxies, basically dark blue, almost black, with big patches of star clusters. Cosmic, unique and dramatic.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5650 times:
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Great descriptions form CF-CPI (and very accurate too) - few additional comments:
The 7 A310-200s were all reconfigured for transatlantic service as well (i.e., 3 cabin a/c, just like the -300s) although they did start out in a 2-class layout for the IGS operation; they had tail numbers starting from N801PA thru N807PA.

Both the 747 and A310 F seats were "Sleeperette" seats which stretched three windows long and were quite luxurious at that time...Clipper was already only 6-abreast, which was quite a revolution considering that almost all carriers today still do 7 abreast on their 747s.

Interesting fact is that Pan Am acquired some 747-212s from Singapore Airlines (N723PA - N730PA except N725PA) and those still had the Singapore Sir Stamford Raffles and some Singapore scenery carvings on the back wall of the upper deck Clipper Class section...


User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1992 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

A couple of corrections to CF-CPI's good post......

1) When DL received the A-310's from PA, the clipper class seats were a grey tweed with blue leather headrest covers. We received some of the brown/beige covers that he described, they were labeled as A300 F/C covers. These seats had very firm cushions and no leg rests. Pitch was about 38-40", or regular domestic F/C pitch.

2) The bulkheads were a light grey laminate (as described) with thin white horizontal lines every inch or so. The movie screens had a large PA globe with all of the continents superimposed on it (removed very quickly by DL, as were the engraved seatbelts).






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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5605 times:

Thank you all. These are terrific detailed posts and I appreciate your insight and time.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2344 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5597 times:

Here's another useless post but one you might find interesting. Two years ago I was on a Vietnam Airlines 320 flight from Bangkok to Saigon and much to my amazement I rode the entire way protected by a Pan Am seatbelt manufactured by some outfit in Long Island. Just goes to show that when an airline goes tits up, EVERYTHING gets recycled.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

Pan Am had 14 A310-300's and 7 A310-200's. Delta quickly disposed of the -200's, probably due to the fact that they had trouble making it across the Atlantic with strong headwinds. The A310-300's did operate in Delta livery (full) for a brief time (until 1993-4) when the rest of the A310 fleet went to FedEx. I remember seeing a DL A310-300 at ZRH on its way to JFK all white with the small Delta logo above the door and the widget on the tail. Eventually, the A310's did receive the full DL livery.

While the A310's operated primarily on the North Atlantic (when Pan Am was flying them), I saw one at SXM in 1990 and Pan Am operated a JFK-FRA-Nairobi flight with one.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2005 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5587 times:

I flew on two Pan Am jumbos:

The first was in 1971; all I remember is that some of the wall panels had a dark paneling motif, which at the time looked very modern. The window cutouts were of bright white contrasting plastic.

I also flew on "China Clipper II," a -212B purchased from Singapore. Coach seats were dark blue; the carpeting around the spiral staircase was maroon. Beautiful plane!



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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

Does anyone know all the names of Pan Am's 747 clippers? The only one I recall is Clipper Maid of the Seas, which was the 747-100 that was brought down over Lockerbie Scotland by terrorists in 1988 killing all aboard and a substantial number on the ground. It was operating as PA 103, FRA-LHR-JFK.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

go to www.panam.org for a full list dating back from the 30s-1991

My favs are

Clipper Star of Hope
Clipper New York
Clipper Intrepid
Clipper America
Clipper Challenger

Another gret name woul've been
Clipper American Challenger



"FUIMUS"
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5529 times:
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Since we're doing favorites, here are a few other interesting ones:

N4703U - Clipper Nautilus 747-122 (from UA)
N4711U - Clipper Witch of The Waves 747-122 (from UA)
N723PA - China Clipper II 747-212B (from SQ)
N726PA - Clipper Cathay 747-212B (from SQ)
N728PA - Clipper Water Witch 747-212B (from SQ)
N655PA - Clipper Sea Serpent 747-121 (original PA)
N659PA - Clipper Voyager 747-121 (original PA)
N742PA - Clipper Neptune's Car 747-121 (original PA)
N743PA - Clipper Black Sea 747-121 (original PA)
N747PA - Clipper Juan T. Trippe 747-121 (original PA)
N750PA - Clipper Neptune's Favorite 747-121 (original PA)
N9670 - Clipper Empress of The Skies
N9674 - Clipper Beacon Light
N902PA - Clipper Seamen's Bride

The 747SPs followed an American Patriotic theme with Clipper names like:
Constitution, Mayflower, Freedom, Lindbergh, Great Republic, Liberty Bell, Plymouth Rock


User currently offlineGanymed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5530 times:

Clipper Victor was involved in the Tenerifa-crash 1977 if memory serves me well.Don´t have the reg.number though.

User currently offlineFleet service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5512 times:

Take a look at www.PanAm.org,they have a listing of clipper names as well as a lot of other Pan Am information.


Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5478 times:

ContinentalEWR - a slight correction to your post; the B747 operated ex LHR and a 727 was used to feed pax from FRA-LHR.

User currently offlineCF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 1144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5461 times:

As for the name game: the 747s were given nautical names, the DC-10s named after celestial objects, and the L-1011s named after birds, mostly birds of prey. Speaking of which, before the L10s were delivered I recall seeing a list of the intended monikers. As I recall, ship 513 or 514 was to be called "Clipper Gamecock". By the time it was delivered, this had changed. I wonder why.

I believe many of the names were taken from actual clipper ships. By the time the Airbus came along, they were named after cities served by Pan Am, and a few had taken on names of American heroes such as Kit Carson. The also changed the Airbus names around quite frequently and if you've got an archive of old JP Airline fleets, you can trace the changes from year-to-year.


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