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FAA's Beef With New Stadium In Tempe?  
User currently offlineHeederA380 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 165 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

I'm interested in hearing anything any of you may know about this issue ... the Arizona Cardinals were to have a new stadium in Tempe, but apparently the project has been nixed by the FAA, because the site was (is -- they actually have already begun construction) on one of the main flight paths for approach/landings at Sky Harbor Airport.

For several reasons, I am very curious as to why this new stadium would pose such a problem. I had heard that one of the "problems" with the new site was something about the pilots not being able to adjust their pitch safely, or, rather, it being dangerous to adjust their pitch in time to have a safe enough (by FAA standards) clearing of the new stadium. This seems extremely odd to me, that this would pose a problem, because planes take off and land on this path as I write this, and there is already a football stadium right on this very path, maybe even more-so, that being Arizona State University's stadium.

And, on top of that (so to speak) there is the very prominent "A Mountain" which juts up from the landscape, and it is hundreds of feet taller than either of the stadiums, and which actually seems to be used as a sort of "lane divider" for incoming aircraft at peak times of arrival.

So my question is, why would the FAA be able to halt the construction of the new stadium (or is my info just outdated?), given the existing landmarks? Any info would be appreciated, and thanks.  Smile

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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

Maybe they are worried that the Goodyear Blimp will interfere somehow during football games

User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6709 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

You'll get pretty good information if you plug "stadium tempe faa" into the Google search engine (leave out the quotes). Basically it's a 200-foot-high stadium in a direct line with Sky Harbor's north runway, 2 miles away. It's not ordinarily a problem unless a pilot were to lose an engine on take-off; Phoenix poses some operational problems during the summer months since temperatures can easily exceed 110 degrees (and aircraft don't perform as well in hot conditions).

User currently offlineHeederA380 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

Thanks Scottb.  Smile I figured that the only real problem it could pose would be one of those bad "what if ___ happens" scenarios. I mostly thought it was a political thing, though.

Here's a link I found, per Scottb's suggestion of a search, for anyone else who might be interested.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/0714stadium14.html


User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1401 times:

We also thought "what if" to may things, and some of them did come true.

-Peace In-
174thfwff


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6278 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

The Tempe site is dead. Downtown Phoenix looks to be the leader in the quest for a new site. The "mountain" (very small hill really) that you refer to is a mile south of the airport, therefore no threat.


Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineHeederA380 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

uuhhhhh..... with respect, IMissPiedmont, but the "A Mountain" (as it is called -- I didn't name it) IS right on the flight path, and as I said, it even splits the runway approach/takeoff "lanes" right down the middle, literally. And it is East of Sky Harbor, right beside ASU's football stadium, not South. If you've ever seen any aircraft, particularly heavies, take off toward the east, you would understand my pointing this landmark out as being as much of a threat as anything (or even more).

User currently offlineCV990A From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1377 times:

I was living in Tempe this summer and what I got from the news there was that a big part of the issue was a regional fight between Tempe and Phoenix. Phoenix wanted the stadium and the protests were an easy way for Phoenix to get the stadium moved from Tempe to Phoenix proper. I think the America West Pilot's union also weighed in on Phoenix's side- but they were more concerned with the light pollution resulting from night games I think.


Kittens Give Morbo Gas
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

In the end it ultimately boils down to a long-standing rivalary between Phoenix and Tempe.

But the FAA has legitamate issues over the new stadium. I think there were navigation concerns with possible EMF interference with instrument landing systems on the east end of the airport, plus any possible operational issues when games are in progress. Fans complain of noise and eastbound departures or westbound arrivals onto the north runway get nixed, etc etc...

"A" Mountain (I am sure it has a real name) and Sun Devil Stadium are already a decent bit to the south of the traffic flow in and out of SKy Harbor. Arrivals and departures still flow pretty much out over the Salt River till about Country Club Dr.. I don't think I have ever seen aircraft flying much to the south of Rio Salado Blvd. at all. Also the proposed stadium was a good mile further to the west than Sun Devil stadium, and the mountain.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

Living in Tempe, and on the approach to Sky Harbor, I can claim that there is much more traffic on the south 2 runways than on the north. The most southern runway, I think it is 7? doesnt have as much traffic as the older south runway, but from living in the area (University and McClintock) I can say that a good amount of traffic is on these 2 runways.



Eric



User currently offlineCannedSpam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

DesertJets,

As a pround ASU Alumni, I can tell you that "A" mountain does indeed have a name. It's real name is Tempe Butte.

Although I haven't been out to PHX in about a year, I can still remember flying directly over Sun Devil Stadium parrallel to University Blvd many times. Just my 2 cents...


User currently offlineDelta737 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 516 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1303 times:

I'm currently a resident of Scottsdale and I thought the whole Tempe Stadium idea was nuts.

First, it it's i nthe approach path of an extremely busy airport. Secondly, the area that they were planning on building it is already swamped with traffic.

Besides, I'm not sure if the Card's threw their games at a local high school stadium that they'd even have a chance of filling 1/2 of the seats.

Go D'Backs!  Smile))

Doug Taylor
jetcareers.com


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6278 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

OOPS! HeederA380, you are correct. I must have been thinking of the hill on the I-10 curve with the water tank. Is that still there? I haven't been up to PHX in 3 years and my mind is fogged. Time for a road trip. Anything new at PHX?


Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
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