Administrator From Sweden, joined May 1999, 3251 posts. Posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 23965 times:
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There's been a lot of rumors in here lately about Charles J. Bishop, the teen who flew his Cessna into a skyscraper in Tampa Florida, having been a user in this discussion forum. To put an end to the speculations I would like to confirm that he most probably did not only have one username, but several. The detective who handles this case for the Tampa Police has been in contact with me and all information I have about Charles J. Bishop has been sent to him. I fear however that there's a lot missing and if you have any additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me and I will forward the info to the detective in Tampa.
Here's what we know:
Some guy signed one of his emails to me (4 Oct 2001 - wanting to sign up for forum moderator) with "Charles J. Bishop".
Searching the discussion forum for the email address he used, I find two users, Tropical Flyer and Jetway. Both use a rather distinct password. When searching for other users with that password, I find several other usernames: sexypilot, USAir737, B757-223 and ERJpilot. The profiles of the users does show that he's been playing someone he's not ("I finally have my CPL!", "US Airways 737 First Officer" etc) but most show his name as Charles Bishop and one profile says he's from Florida.
The IP addresses used points to *.Tampa1.Level3.net, in other words, an Internet service provider in Tampa, Florida.
I assume therefore that the probability that we're dealing with "The" Charles J. Bishop is rather high.
A "Charles Bishop" using another email address (which is not used in any of the usernames in the forum) also sent in an article for our article section called "How People Bring Travel Problems On Themselves and How to Improve." (that was never published). The fact that the email was sent from the host *.tampa1.level3.net makes it very probable that this is also the same "Charles J. Bishop". When searching deleted posts for this email address, three new usernames come up (these three have been deleted at some stage for some reason): FlyerC_B757, AAL777-223 and Jet Joc. Finally, when searching for users with real name "Charles Bishop", the username -20XX pilot also shows up. The IP address used when posting messages under that username points to *.Tampa1.Level3.net making it very probable that this too is Charles J. Bishop.
The total number of usernames used by Charles Bishop: 10 (!). And I'm rather sure there's more of them that I have not been able to find. I've got a blurry memory of a user in the forum named Charles Bishop or something along those lines that caused some problems and were therefore removed. As the user is removed however, I have no additional info on that. Maybe you guys have additional information?
If you think you know something that could be of value to the investigation, please let me know. This is a very tragic even considering the young age of the victim and the fact that he seems to have been a frequent visitor of Airliners.net. I can't help thinking if things would have been different if his application for forum moderator or article were accepted, possibly giving him something to cling on to. No one will be able to convince me that this 15 year old were somehow connected to Bin Laden and the al-Qaida organization. That note he left were surly a note of desperation, a sort of revenge on the word and seemingly treated him so badly. A very troubled boy indeed.
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2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 21302 times:
Thus the tragedy of mental illness. The only one responsible for this young man's death and actions is himself. Short of physically taking him and putting him into an institution where he could not hurt himself or others there is nothing anyone, and certainly not anyone here on Airliners.net, could have done to help him.
Mls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 21120 times:
With all respect but tell that US-Mr. Detective very clear that he was a victim of the foolish US Government policy and propaganda. What a stupid country.
Oh please, a detective on a local police force could care less about US foreign policy. This kid was just a nut with some problems. Shame on you for using him to prop up your opinions about the US. I tend to agree with Johan that the mention of Bin Laden in his suicide note was a "sort of revenge on the word". The only other possibility is the kid holding some strong fundamentalist beliefs about the immorality of the US and/or its actions.
Would it be thoughtful if the article that he did write was posted in some way? Either in the forums or in the Articles section of airliners.net?
If the article were to be published, it should be only because it's of exceptional quality, not to meet anyone's morbid curiousity. The Unibomber's manifesto didn't get published so easily.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4331 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 20976 times:
" I can't help thinking if things would have been different if his application for forum moderator or article were accepted, possibly giving him something to cling on to. "
I also recently was left in doubt about a suicide case in my acquaintance-circle and I recognize your thoughts. Could we have done more? Been nicer? Gave more attention?
But in the end I don't think it would have helped. He apperently didn't have the moral authority to act as a moderator, for instance, and only giving him that role out of pityness wouldn't help his self esteem and give others a hard time instead.
Airliners.net only was a small part of his surroundings, not nearly a reason for his frustration.
But imagine the pain and frustration of the people who really knew him...
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
SUDDEN From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20946 times:
It looks like you are blaming yourself for not making him a moderator, Johan!?
If that's the case, don't!!!!
I want to think that this boy really were screaming for attention. He was lonely, and didn't have very much friends. This was his way of getting attention.
I don't defend his action in any way, so don't get me wrong here.
Is the detective looking at "our" site? I think he chould.
Who was the guy that posted something about flying in to the WTC for about a year ago? That topic really blowed up after 9/11.
Anyone remember what topic I meen?
Could that have been the same user, Johan?
Just a tought.
EWR757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 360 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20742 times:
This brings up an interesting point. You really don't know who is lurking behind these handles.
With that in mind, I never devulge answers about any security issues and procedures. Nor will I talk about aircraft specific items I feel are asked that can be used as a threat to an airline or aircraft.
SUDDEN From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20723 times:
Gerardo posted the topic I was thinking about. MD90 was the user.
He came forward after the 9/11 when the topic were discussed and said that he had nothing to do with it.
That he was just speculated. If my memory serves me correct, Johan were in that discussion to.
Can that also have been Charles J Bishops?
Captain.MD-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20674 times:
Reading that linked post by 'MD-90' turns my stomach in a big way! It was just simply too close to the truth! He could have said a Jumbo or any other airliner but he specifically mentioned the 767 series. It is tragic however for someone to take ones life at such a young age, but there are NO excuses for the way he did it!
Twins,twins, everywhere.... but where are the three holers?
Ceilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20660 times:
Lautir - that was uncalled for. My point is that rather than being reactive to something that has already happened - when it's impossible to do anything about it - we should be proactive and try to ensure that something similar doesn't happen again.
Lautir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20563 times:
Ceilidh - thanks for the answer, and I´m also terrible sorry that I didn´t spot your smiley. When I included it in your post, it came out in a other way...
I´m pretty new on the thing called internet, and maybe more confused about the "social habitus" of the IT-world (for example: the use of smilies, word abbreviations etc.)
I´m maybe to emotional to be discussing this kind of subjects.
Dee-see-eit From Spain, joined Jan 2000, 435 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20513 times:
A.net has become so popular, that there's nothing specially strange about that guy called Bishop participating in this forum. The only ones who might be really interested in his posts might be the police or his family, in order to get more clues to what he did.
We can not start thinking that everyone of us may be a potential terrorist, or other insane person capable of such tremendous actions.
: It makes you think - I was only "talking" to ERJpilot a couple of weeks ago re taxi speeds.
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: I wouldnt be surprised if there were a few individuals among the >10000 users in a.net used same password and have the exact same name and even from T
: How come ERJpilot has no posts on these forums. Was he the guy who said he flew ERJ's for Continental Express out of IAH? Chris
: Anyway, it's quite a sad affair, and my heart really goes out to the boy's family. Hopefully we'll all learn something around here and offer each anot
: Carmy! I agree with you. Regards Lautir
: In my view there's two issues here: Firstly, remember that the technology, whether it's a plane, a computer, a gun, a car, etc, is neutral. It's up to
: Skihigh2002 Try this link http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/684851/6/ I assume Johan was talking about ERJPLT
: No, the one in question is (or was, I should say) "ERJpilot" while the one you "talked" to is (IS!) "ERJPLT". Daniel