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User currently offlineAdministrator From Sweden, joined May 1999, 3251 posts.
Posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 23893 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
SITE ADMIN

Dear Members,

There's been a lot of rumors in here lately about Charles J. Bishop, the teen who flew his Cessna into a skyscraper in Tampa Florida, having been a user in this discussion forum. To put an end to the speculations I would like to confirm that he most probably did not only have one username, but several. The detective who handles this case for the Tampa Police has been in contact with me and all information I have about Charles J. Bishop has been sent to him. I fear however that there's a lot missing and if you have any additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me and I will forward the info to the detective in Tampa.

Here's what we know:

Some guy signed one of his emails to me (4 Oct 2001 - wanting to sign up for forum moderator) with "Charles J. Bishop".

Searching the discussion forum for the email address he used, I find two users, Tropical Flyer and Jetway. Both use a rather distinct password. When searching for other users with that password, I find several other usernames: sexypilot, USAir737, B757-223 and ERJpilot. The profiles of the users does show that he's been playing someone he's not ("I finally have my CPL!", "US Airways 737 First Officer" etc) but most show his name as Charles Bishop and one profile says he's from Florida.

The IP addresses used points to *.Tampa1.Level3.net, in other words, an Internet service provider in Tampa, Florida.

I assume therefore that the probability that we're dealing with "The" Charles J. Bishop is rather high.

A "Charles Bishop" using another email address (which is not used in any of the usernames in the forum) also sent in an article for our article section called "How People Bring Travel Problems On Themselves and How to Improve." (that was never published). The fact that the email was sent from the host *.tampa1.level3.net makes it very probable that this is also the same "Charles J. Bishop". When searching deleted posts for this email address, three new usernames come up (these three have been deleted at some stage for some reason): FlyerC_B757, AAL777-223 and Jet Joc. Finally, when searching for users with real name "Charles Bishop", the username -20XX pilot also shows up. The IP address used when posting messages under that username points to *.Tampa1.Level3.net making it very probable that this too is Charles J. Bishop.

The total number of usernames used by Charles Bishop: 10 (!). And I'm rather sure there's more of them that I have not been able to find. I've got a blurry memory of a user in the forum named Charles Bishop or something along those lines that caused some problems and were therefore removed. As the user is removed however, I have no additional info on that. Maybe you guys have additional information?

If you think you know something that could be of value to the investigation, please let me know. This is a very tragic even considering the young age of the victim and the fact that he seems to have been a frequent visitor of Airliners.net. I can't help thinking if things would have been different if his application for forum moderator or article were accepted, possibly giving him something to cling on to. No one will be able to convince me that this 15 year old were somehow connected to Bin Laden and the al-Qaida organization. That note he left were surly a note of desperation, a sort of revenge on the word and seemingly treated him so badly. A very troubled boy indeed.

With Regards,
Johan Lundgren
Editor Airliners.net
johan@airliners.net


Working on the site from morning 'till night that's livin' alright (1997-2007)
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User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 21501 times:

Sad, it is amazing how someone can get from from reality without people around him doing anything.


I can drive faster than you
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 21359 times:

It is a sad story.

Would it be thoughtful if the article that he did write was posted in some way? Either in the forums or in the Articles section of airliners.net?

Just a suggestion. I dunno how it'll go down though..

Singapore_Air



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 21230 times:

Thus the tragedy of mental illness. The only one responsible for this young man's death and actions is himself. Short of physically taking him and putting him into an institution where he could not hurt himself or others there is nothing anyone, and certainly not anyone here on Airliners.net, could have done to help him.

User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 21048 times:



With all respect but tell that US-Mr. Detective very clear that he was a victim of the foolish US Government policy and propaganda. What a stupid country.

Oh please, a detective on a local police force could care less about US foreign policy. This kid was just a nut with some problems. Shame on you for using him to prop up your opinions about the US. I tend to agree with Johan that the mention of Bin Laden in his suicide note was a "sort of revenge on the word". The only other possibility is the kid holding some strong fundamentalist beliefs about the immorality of the US and/or its actions.



Would it be thoughtful if the article that he did write was posted in some way? Either in the forums or in the Articles section of airliners.net?

If the article were to be published, it should be only because it's of exceptional quality, not to meet anyone's morbid curiousity. The Unibomber's manifesto didn't get published so easily.


mls515


User currently offlineFly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20980 times:

well said norbert.

now if any thing happend in aviation, it does not mean that its related to bin ladin.. thank you!!!

things happens all time. whether bin ladin existed or not. true that the 911 is related to him, but, not every thing else is!!!!


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20904 times:

" I can't help thinking if things would have been different if his application for forum moderator or article were accepted, possibly giving him something to cling on to. "

dear Johan,
I also recently was left in doubt about a suicide case in my acquaintance-circle and I recognize your thoughts. Could we have done more? Been nicer? Gave more attention?
But in the end I don't think it would have helped. He apperently didn't have the moral authority to act as a moderator, for instance, and only giving him that role out of pityness wouldn't help his self esteem and give others a hard time instead.
Airliners.net only was a small part of his surroundings, not nearly a reason for his frustration.
But imagine the pain and frustration of the people who really knew him...
Servaas



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3153 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20874 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

What was the username of the guy who asked this summer (BEFORE 9-11) if the WTC could sustain a plane impact? This was discussed after 9-11, maybe someone remembers.

Konstantin



Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been...
User currently offlineSUDDEN From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20874 times:

It looks like you are blaming yourself for not making him a moderator, Johan!?
If that's the case, don't!!!!

I want to think that this boy really were screaming for attention. He was lonely, and didn't have very much friends. This was his way of getting attention.
I don't defend his action in any way, so don't get me wrong here.
Is the detective looking at "our" site? I think he chould.

Who was the guy that posted something about flying in to the WTC for about a year ago? That topic really blowed up after 9/11.
Anyone remember what topic I meen?
Could that have been the same user, Johan?
Just a tought.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineSUDDEN From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20849 times:

To not cause any missunderstandings.
I ment the same guy as Fly-K!!



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 492 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20810 times:

Hmmm... has there been ANY user who got a moderator job yet? Last I checked, there were no new moderators here...

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20759 times:

Do you mean that Topic?
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/336291/

This one was started by a User called "MD-90".

Out of his profile:
Real Name: Never again...
E-mail: crybick@yahoo.com
Gender: Male
Age: 16-20
Country: United States
Location: The Bible Belt

Regards
Gerardo





dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment
User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2000 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20683 times:

Why does this not surprise me? Was Mohammed Atta a member of this forum too?

User currently offlineEWR757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 360 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20670 times:



This brings up an interesting point. You really don't know who is lurking behind these handles.

With that in mind, I never devulge answers about any security issues and procedures. Nor will I talk about aircraft specific items I feel are asked that can be used as a threat to an airline or aircraft.



User currently offlineSchreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20659 times:

This really opens your eyes. Johan, don't blame yourself... it was just an other moron... a very dangerous one.
Cheers,
Schreiner



Soaring the internet...
User currently offlineSUDDEN From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20651 times:

Gerardo posted the topic I was thinking about. MD90 was the user.
He came forward after the 9/11 when the topic were discussed and said that he had nothing to do with it.
That he was just speculated. If my memory serves me correct, Johan were in that discussion to.
Can that also have been Charles J Bishops?



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineBluewhite From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20632 times:

Well, there's probably no need to be paranoid!
There's probably just as many "strange" people lurking behind the friendly faces at work or on the street!

A very sad and strange incident, in the case of Bishop.

BW


User currently offlineSUDDEN From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20601 times:

Paranoid has nothing to do with it!
Johan asked if we had any info.
And that topic came to my mind.
But it can be as you wrote, just another "strange" human.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineLautir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20602 times:

2912n and Ceilidh.... Sure, he maybe was an asshole, and yes he´s dead.

But he was still a human...

But maybe people like you are to greedy and spiritually profanic to understand...?


User currently offlineCaptain.MD-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20602 times:

Reading that linked post by 'MD-90' turns my stomach in a big way! It was just simply too close to the truth! He could have said a Jumbo or any other airliner but he specifically mentioned the 767 series. It is tragic however for someone to take ones life at such a young age, but there are NO excuses for the way he did it!


Twins,twins, everywhere.... but where are the three holers?
User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20588 times:

Lautir - that was uncalled for. My point is that rather than being reactive to something that has already happened - when it's impossible to do anything about it - we should be proactive and try to ensure that something similar doesn't happen again.

User currently offlineBluewhite From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20547 times:

I also found the WTC post quite chilling. It seems that MD90 hasn't been posting for awhile, so maybe under another "handle" hmm......

BW


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20514 times:

ERJpilot´s answer to the question "What Do You Want To Do In Life?":

"I want to become incredibly wealthy, retire to some Caribbean island and sip Margarita's all day. Ahhh, isn't that the life?"

Rather tragic, isn´t it?

Daniel


User currently offlineLautir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20491 times:

Ceilidh - thanks for the answer, and I´m also terrible sorry that I didn´t spot your smiley. When I included it in your post, it came out in a other way...
I´m pretty new on the thing called internet, and maybe more confused about the "social habitus" of the IT-world (for example: the use of smilies, word abbreviations etc.)

I´m maybe to emotional to be discussing this kind of subjects.

Regards Lautir


User currently offlineDee-see-eit From Spain, joined Jan 2000, 435 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20441 times:

A.net has become so popular, that there's nothing specially strange about that guy called Bishop participating in this forum. The only ones who might be really interested in his posts might be the police or his family, in order to get more clues to what he did.

We can not start thinking that everyone of us may be a potential terrorist, or other insane person capable of such tremendous actions.

Regards
DC8



25 VC-10 : It makes you think - I was only "talking" to ERJpilot a couple of weeks ago re taxi speeds.
26 Airbus Lover : I wouldnt be surprised if there were a few individuals among the >10000 users in a.net used same password and have the exact same name and even from T
27 Skihigh2002 : How come ERJpilot has no posts on these forums. Was he the guy who said he flew ERJ's for Continental Express out of IAH? Chris
28 Carmy : Anyway, it's quite a sad affair, and my heart really goes out to the boy's family. Hopefully we'll all learn something around here and offer each anot
29 Lautir : Carmy! I agree with you. Regards Lautir
30 Post contains images PerthGloryFan : In my view there's two issues here: Firstly, remember that the technology, whether it's a plane, a computer, a gun, a car, etc, is neutral. It's up to
31 Post contains links VC-10 : Skihigh2002 Try this link http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/684851/6/ I assume Johan was talking about ERJPLT
32 Airsicknessbag : No, the one in question is (or was, I should say) "ERJpilot" while the one you "talked" to is (IS!) "ERJPLT". Daniel
33 VC-10 : I stand corrected
34 HB-IQF : Hi, I just read the topic wich Gerado put a link ! I read that and really get afraid what was dicussed here a year ago ! I am new here in this forum a
35 Pilot1113 : >>I also found the WTC post quite chilling. It seems that MD90 hasn't been posting for awhile, so maybe under another "handle" hmm...... I believe tha
36 Heavymetal : The merits of the perils of the Internet, the horror of mental illness and loneliness and current US Middle East policy are best left for other thread
37 ERJPLT : "It makes you think - I was only "talking" to ERJpilot a couple of weeks ago re taxi speeds" NO,NO,NO.........Dont you confuse me with this scumbag th
38 TWAneedsNOhelp : so, does anyone remember talking to this Bishop and any one of his handles, Tropical Flyer, Jetway, sexypilot, USAir737, B757-223, ERJpilot, FlyerC_B7
39 Alaskaairlines : Thats very sad indeed. -Dmitry
40 Planespotterx : wow, thats a real shock, to think someone who ive preobobally talked to did something like this, wow im stunned, i mean he must have been really screw
41 LGW : Unbelievable LGW
42 Post contains images EGGD : Jeez, that is frightenening, i actually replied to one of his posts, and also he wrote this: Topic: RE: Really Simple Pleasures... 1. Having a woman t
43 SUDDEN : Johan...... Have this topic been to any help so far?
44 Jean Leloup : PLease Everyone, don't drag up the MD-90 fiasco again. that was very clearly solved! We caused that poor guy enough trouble before, prudently calling
45 ILS : I can also remember someone named 777-200ER or something like that, that was mentioned as being Charles. I am not sure if this is him, but he posed as
46 Alessandro : He emailed CK on airdisaster offering himself as a moderator, but was turn down there as well....
47 Milemaster : Let's not forget this guy killed himself in a way that essentially gave tribute to the WTC attack. He may have been troubled, sad & lonely.. But sick
48 GRZ-AIR : This is really kind of scary.. Something was definetaley wrong with the stupid kid. And how the heck was he able to take of w/ the plane without anyb
49 GOT : GRZ-AIR: He was noticed when he took off. Therefore a helicopter was sent up and followed him. They made signs to make him land and flew after him all
50 2912n : Pleasee don't attack me for something I did not say. I did NOT say he was an ass****. I said this was the tragedy of mental illness. Suicide is one of
51 Ericmetallica : wow thats some scary crap.Cant belive it. When i first herd it i thought it was Arron Bishop who is OlympicA-340 on this site and hes from florida,but
52 OO-VEG : Wow quite frightening he was a member here. This post starts me thinking about all these usernames he had. Johan tells us this boy has (had) 10 userna
53 TWAmerican : you could vote for your own posts giving them a higher rate OH MY GOD! THAT WOULD BE SO EVIL! WHERE IS THIS WORLD GOING? DESPAIR.
54 Teahan : Hello, When I first read that, it rendered me speachless. Honestly sent chills down my spine. I definitely recall the user "Tropical Flyer" OO-VEG, wh
55 CPDC10-30 : First of all, hats off to Johan for being so open with all of the inofrmation, it was a bit odd having N400QX break the news with his own twisted opin
56 Lautir : "At least he didn't pull another Columbine massacre.. he clearly was equally screwed up as those idiots who killed all those innocent students." "I'm
57 H. Simpson : i'm wondering if FBI is sneaking though this website now.
58 Post contains images EGGD : You can't remember Tropical Flyer, he never posted under that nickname in the forum . There was another Tropical ...something. Man, i remember talking
59 Hoffa : But, have you ever thought of the fact that idiots probably are a product of various circumstances? Considering that neither you or anybody else on th
60 RoyalDutch : H. Simpson - I hope the FBI IS "sneaking" through this site right now. While I agree with Johan that there was probably no connection between this kid
61 Redngold : Unfortunately I remember this kid well. He picked a fight with me under the username "B757-223." He ended up getting the entire thread, which I though
62 Lautir : I have the same perspective as you on this subject! Yes, you are right about the uncertainty considering this specific and very tragic incident. But,
63 Airlinelover : I do agree it was tragic, but IMO, and you can flame me for this if you want, but I think it is better he did it NOW, ALONE, with a CESSNA, rather tha
64 Airlinelover : BTW- This is one case where I would have RATHER seen one of those "I hate my life/parents/dog/whatever" stories in the Non-av forum. THen maybe we cou
65 Post contains images Serge : Wow... I was thinking about this (him being a.net member) and now its a reality. I'll try and dig up some stuff too.. from memory and this board ...Se
66 Post contains images LY744 : What about the kid that claimed to have attempted to commit suicide and got deleted shortly after? He also said something about being an Arab-American
67 ILS : "What about the kid that claimed to have attempted to commit suicide and got deleted shortly after? " When?
68 Post contains images LY744 : Ahem, I was just looking at the B757-223 profile, for the 2nd time within a few hours, and I've noticed that he is on a certain user's respected list.
69 FlightSimFreak : Look at this... under FlyerC_B757 in the topic Medicals-Priv. Pilot Hey, I'm 15 and was wondering when I should get a medical to get my private pilots
70 LY744 : Non-av a few months ago, he was of course made fun of, because no one believes that you can attempt suicide (he claimed to have tried to slit his wris
71 CPDC10-30 : I believe that was someone else who regularly participates on the forums still.
72 ILS : EGGD made the famous "I Started Cutting Myself" thread.
73 Iainhol : FlightSimFreak - I think he had 16 hours! Iain
74 LY744 : "EGGD made the famous "I Started Cutting Myself" thread" No, I wasn't talking about EGGD. That guy deffinetely said he was from the States (for what i
75 FlightSimFreak : Ah... I can't spell the french retort (I'll sound it out) Oh contrair, my friend. Quothe the CNN... "The teen-ager had flown about six hours over a 10
76 Iainhol : I must of mis-heard it, that is pretty strange. However that was said in March, which is before Sept. 11th, and quite a long time ago. Iain
77 Post contains images Kdca4life : Au contraire...
78 J_hallgren : Dateline NBC and TPA news reporting tonite that a prescription for acne drug Accutane was found at his house...that drug has been on news before as ha
79 CVG777 : I'm speechless. I really don't know how to respond. I feel sorry for him and especially his family. It must be very hard on them. This is especially c
80 SJC-Alien : Just a few thoughts, and these aren't meant to be mean at all - just for thought: If he put the suicide note in his pocket, what would have happened i
81 Philaman : It looks like someone used a password program to add people to respected users. BTW: I'm using my older username as I don't want someone hacking my cu
82 Geotrash : Something I see quite often on this forum are words like: "Hey, you're 16 years old, what do you know", or: "At least I'm old enough to get a driver's
83 Post contains images Aloha 737-200 : TWAneedsNOhelp, You don't have to worry about him being the uername "TropicalSkies", because I know that's not him. "TropicalSkies" was one of my prev
84 Fanofjets : Any death is a sad, sad tragedy. It is even more poignant when the person involved is so young. I laud CPDC-10-30 and others for their compassion; men
85 NBC News1 : Wow
86 VirginFlyer : This raises something related I had been thinking about for a while. Accidents happen, and people do die. With 10,000 forum members here, I think we h
87 AviationIvi : Just found out that this guy signed my guestbook in April: Entry #: 24 Date: Sun Apr 8 11:40:49 2001 Name: Charles Bishop c.bishop@netzero.net Web Sit
88 Superfly : This is terrible! And to think that we enjoyed chatting here in the forums together.
89 VH-BZF : Hey Gerardo, that is freeky buddy, wow! Who could have imagined (9-11) Rgds - BZF
90 9v-sve : Hey ILS, that guy, B777-200ER, I know him. He's really from Singapore. He left because he started a "I'm Tired Of WTC Topics" topic and everyone got m
91 Ceilidh : From today's Telegraph: Acne drug link to boy suicide pilot By Philip Delves Broughton in New York (Filed: 10/01/2002) THE 15-year-old boy who crashed
92 Donder10 : I saw a picture of him and he didn't appear to have any Acne whatsoever
93 Ceilidh : Well, perhaps that stuff works then!
94 FlightSimFreak : It does... my friend uses it, and his face cleard up
95 LY744 : What's up with the "suicide pact" his folks supposedely made in 84'? What the hell is that? LY744.
96 Psa188 : Johan writes: "This is a very tragic even considering the young age of the victim and the fact that he seems to have been a frequent visitor of Airlin
97 MD-90 : I doubt the FBI contacted Johan, although it is possible, but I can assure you that they don't read the posts on this forum (unless they draw attentio
98 MD-90 : 17 in Alabama, thank you very much. And yes, it was a shameful waste of a perfectly good NEW 172SP. There aren't all that many of those to go around!
99 AviationIvi : Psa188: I agree! Regards from snowy FRA, Ivi
100 Cabal : I´m taking Roaccutane myself and let me tell you guys it´s really a powerful drug and really depressing as well but I didn´t EVER think on suicide.
101 Psa188 : Whose fault was it, Donder10? Osama's? Adolf's? "Society's"? The low-life twerp's actions can't be defended by blaming someone else.
102 Covert : really?
103 Funny : Sad. Really sad. Its scary to feel how close you are to a fellow member of the forum, yet being so far away. R.I.P Jase
104 777236ER : No Covert. We're all lying. Just for you.
105 Funny : Thank you, Geotrash. Excellently said. Jase
106 OD-BWH : I'd like to thank the editor for noting these things. Actually there are some points that i would like to mention: -Having such a member doesn't mean
107 Post contains links CPDC10-30 : Some might find that bin Laden was an addicted user to A.net!!! Its not all that far fetched to some here...a few members promised to leave this boar
108 L-188 : I have a feeling that if Binnie is usuing this site as a source he is posting it..... There is this guy on the non-aviation forum that goes by the nam
109 B747ca : I took Acutane as well about 15 years ago, but i never experienced depression or suicidal thoughts. Just my $0.02
110 Post contains images Usairdc9 : "I have no sympathy for this dirtbag. The world is full of troubled teens, yet most of them refrain from expressing sympathy for mass murderers or kil
111 Sdntpilot : Well I just want to start off bye saying, how can any of you call this kid an asswhole, a dirtbag, or whatever people have calling him. You have no ri
112 Mark_D. : The whole thing is very sad indeed. Good of Johan though, I think, to air the issue a bit and so invite everyone to discuss and reflect upon it furthe
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