Omegous From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 293 posts, RR: 2 Posted (14 years 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2623 times:
I know that LAS is going to be getting SQ next year (obviously since it is in a recent post) and currently serves Virgin Atlantic, and a few other carriers (JAL suspended).
As I was sitting on my balcony, I watched an Airtours A330 land (I am only about 1 mile from the flight path into 25R/L at McCarran) and Aviacsa (I believe), and the other day a Virgin 744 land, but why on earth doesn't BA, KLM, or other Airlines serve Vegas? BA flies to Tampa, yet I would think the market is bigger in Vegas than to Tampa (for example), and from what I hear the Virgin flights to Vegas are pretty full. You'd think BA would want to compete on the route. I know we are "close to LA" (300 miles) but you'd think more would fly to Vegas. Perhaps after SQ starts flights and JAL resumes flights, we will start to get more?
I am getting sick of a million Southwest/National/America West airplanes all day.
So, why is it that more major carriers don't serve Vegas?
9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2528 times:
Meechy36 is probably right.
For example, Lufthansa won´t serve LAS because the german tourists´ demand is covered by Condor (i guess they have a twice weekly FRA-LAS service) which concentrates more on leisure travellers.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2479 times:
LAS is primarily a leisure market, without as strong a business base as other traditional gateway airports like, LAX, SFO, etc.
Operationally speaking, operating long-distance flights into LAS is straightfoward--the problem is getting them back out. The combination of LAS's elevation above mean sea level, the 1% uphill slope of runway 25R, and the hot temperatures often make it difficult for domestic long-distance flights to make it non-stop, let alone international ones. So close to sea level, LAX and SFO don't have that problem.
Obviously, it's not impossible to operate LAS to overseas, as evidenced by the LAS-FRA service mentioned above. You can bet, however, that the "lid" for passenger bookings is either carefully monitored and/or controlled, or they're making tech stops somewhere along the way.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6908 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2457 times:
Believe me, if any International carrier thought they could make money flying to LAS they would be there.
As the head marketing guy at one airline once said " the trouble with destinations like Hawaii and LAS, is that the more passengers you carry the more money you lose."
Omegous From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2434 times:
Thanks for the info!
But it still makes me wonder why Virgin can and is willing to fly here, and now Singapore? Are they really making the money they thought they would? Just thought (and was hoping!! hehe) that more would want to capitalize on the city's growth.
What about conventions like Comdex, CES, etc. Do any of the airlines bring in special flights to Vegas as I know those conventions are HUGE.
N521NA From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2386 times:
I live in LAS also and would also like to see more Intl traffic but I think since it is so close to LAX that international airlines could just codeshare with America West, National or United on flights to LAS.
CV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2365 times:
It is easier and cheaper for international carriers to just code share with US carriers to get them there. Use a US hub to spoke out to cities that don't provide enough yield for direct service to work
Soku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2364 times:
Then how do Carribean islands support daily 747s plus all the flights between islands and A300s, 737s and ATR flights surely there can't be more people going to these islands than visiting Las Vegas and the sourrounding area. I realize all of these are international in the islands but still once you account for domestic flights to Vegas there still has to be some more people that use international airlines, and I'm sure its enough people to compete over.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34577 posts, RR: 70
Reply 14, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2324 times:
Soku, yes, there are more Europeans visiting the Caribbean than Las Vegas. Fact is, LAS is very small on international visitors, as one man find out on the TV show Greed (I am diverging a little here), in which he was asked which four US cities (out of 8) attract the most international vistors. He chose Los Angeles, NYC, Orlando, and Las Vegas. His fourth choice should have been Miami. Las Vegas was wrong and he lost $2,000,000.
Jessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2299 times:
Indeed, las vegas is big in the us, but only because it's type of gambling and debauchery is not tolerated in most metropolitan areas in the united states. it has it's rivals in Monte Carlo, and amsterdam, among others around the world which are easier for the international traveler to access.
UALDUDE From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2238 times:
I work at LAS. The main reason for lack of international service is poor facilities. Customs, gates, etc. When the other part of the D gates opens around 2004, this will improve greatly and we may see more service. Virgin was very hesitant to serve here because of these issues, but there was a demand for the flights and $$ talk. I wish there was more too. SQ is coming is September and JL will be back in March, at least it is a start.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8346 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2232 times:
I think because LAS is already well-served by AA, HP, N7, UA and WN, most international travellers visiting Las Vegas, NV will likely change planes using code-share or alliance carriers to fly from international gateways such as JFK, ORD, MIA, DFW, LAX and SFO to LAS.
Cbqfan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2219 times:
For the most part, I think it is determined by what nationality the Las Vegas Convention and Visitor Authority wants to woo. A few years ago it was Asian countries (the source of most of our 'Hi-Rollers'), then Mexico. We currently are served by Aviasca, Mexicana, and Aero Mexico.
Virgin Atlantic has been trying to get into Vegas for a number of years. Guess it has a lot to do with the flambouyant Branson. He arrived on the maiden flight dressed in an Elvis style jumpsuit.
Canada does have a large presence with daily Air Canada flights and bi-weekly Skyservice flights.
Most of our international traffic is covered by seasonal charter service. Condor was mentioned. I have seen Airtours, ANA, Korean Air, Sabena, Varig, CityBird, Transglobal, and I think it was Novair (but I'm not sure). Did see a KLM jet only once.
Not to mention the no longer existant lines of Canada 3000, Rich International, and Royal.
When Northwest was flying the daily non-stop to Tokyo, the custom folks expressed concern about being able to handle two 747's of passengers at once.
Correct about the plane changing. Check out the flight information on the McCarran website and you'll see flights from Paris and Tokyo retaining the same flight number, but changing planes at a large hub.
If you're coming to Vegas, show up in spring on a Thursday or Sunday. that's when all the international flights arrive and depart.