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Why Doesn't LAS Have More Int'l Traffic?  
User currently offlineOmegous From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 293 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

I know that LAS is going to be getting SQ next year (obviously since it is in a recent post) and currently serves Virgin Atlantic, and a few other carriers (JAL suspended).

As I was sitting on my balcony, I watched an Airtours A330 land (I am only about 1 mile from the flight path into 25R/L at McCarran) and Aviacsa (I believe), and the other day a Virgin 744 land, but why on earth doesn't BA, KLM, or other Airlines serve Vegas? BA flies to Tampa, yet I would think the market is bigger in Vegas than to Tampa (for example), and from what I hear the Virgin flights to Vegas are pretty full. You'd think BA would want to compete on the route. I know we are "close to LA" (300 miles) but you'd think more would fly to Vegas. Perhaps after SQ starts flights and JAL resumes flights, we will start to get more?

I am getting sick of a million Southwest/National/America West airplanes all day.

So, why is it that more major carriers don't serve Vegas?

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User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Worry not, Singapore Airlines is coming soon!

User currently offlineMeechy36 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

As a tourist destination the yeild is very low, that is why you see all the WN planes there.

Cheers,
Mike-BOS


User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

Meechy36 is probably right.
For example, Lufthansa won´t serve LAS because the german tourists´ demand is covered by Condor (i guess they have a twice weekly FRA-LAS service) which concentrates more on leisure travellers.

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User currently offlineTodd727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

BA uses a code share with HP out of PHX and LAX which are better desitnation points for them.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

LAS is primarily a leisure market, without as strong a business base as other traditional gateway airports like, LAX, SFO, etc.

Operationally speaking, operating long-distance flights into LAS is straightfoward--the problem is getting them back out. The combination of LAS's elevation above mean sea level, the 1% uphill slope of runway 25R, and the hot temperatures often make it difficult for domestic long-distance flights to make it non-stop, let alone international ones. So close to sea level, LAX and SFO don't have that problem.

Obviously, it's not impossible to operate LAS to overseas, as evidenced by the LAS-FRA service mentioned above. You can bet, however, that the "lid" for passenger bookings is either carefully monitored and/or controlled, or they're making tech stops somewhere along the way.


User currently offlineLucifer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

BA flies to the maximum number of US destinations allowed currently, in addition to be a primarilly business carrier.

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6490 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

Believe me, if any International carrier thought they could make money flying to LAS they would be there.
As the head marketing guy at one airline once said " the trouble with destinations like Hawaii and LAS, is that the more passengers you carry the more money you lose."


User currently offlineOmegous From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

Thanks for the info!

But it still makes me wonder why Virgin can and is willing to fly here, and now Singapore? Are they really making the money they thought they would? Just thought (and was hoping!! hehe) that more would want to capitalize on the city's growth.

What about conventions like Comdex, CES, etc. Do any of the airlines bring in special flights to Vegas as I know those conventions are HUGE.


User currently offlineN521NA From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1694 times:

I live in LAS also and would also like to see more Intl traffic but I think since it is so close to LAX that international airlines could just codeshare with America West, National or United on flights to LAS.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1690 times:

LAS is primarily a US vacation spot. Although tons of Canadians go there.

LAS is becoming more popular with Brits and Japanese...and in due course, more intl flights will occur.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1673 times:

It is easier and cheaper for international carriers to just code share with US carriers to get them there. Use a US hub to spoke out to cities that don't provide enough yield for direct service to work

User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1672 times:

Then how do Carribean islands support daily 747s plus all the flights between islands and A300s, 737s and ATR flights surely there can't be more people going to these islands than visiting Las Vegas and the sourrounding area. I realize all of these are international in the islands but still once you account for domestic flights to Vegas there still has to be some more people that use international airlines, and I'm sure its enough people to compete over.


The Ohio Player
User currently offlineTwa902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1666 times:

Maybe BA can tag on LAS to DEN like it did SAN to PHX.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

Soku, yes, there are more Europeans visiting the Caribbean than Las Vegas. Fact is, LAS is very small on international visitors, as one man find out on the TV show Greed (I am diverging a little here), in which he was asked which four US cities (out of 8) attract the most international vistors. He chose Los Angeles, NYC, Orlando, and Las Vegas. His fourth choice should have been Miami. Las Vegas was wrong and he lost $2,000,000.


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User currently offlineJessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Indeed, las vegas is big in the us, but only because it's type of gambling and debauchery is not tolerated in most metropolitan areas in the united states. it has it's rivals in Monte Carlo, and amsterdam, among others around the world which are easier for the international traveler to access.

User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1580 times:

I stand corrected.


The Ohio Player
User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1575 times:

Will it get harder to try and get you liscence under age 18 since this little Charles Bishop incident? Just wondering because it would make sense for the FAA to do something like that.


The Ohio Player
User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1569 times:

Sorry when I tried to start a new topic my computer posted it here. Don't know what happened  Confused


The Ohio Player
User currently offlineN521NA From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1564 times:

Virgin just upgraded London-Gatwick to Las Vegas from a 742 to 744.

User currently offlineUALDUDE From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

I work at LAS. The main reason for lack of international service is poor facilities. Customs, gates, etc. When the other part of the D gates opens around 2004, this will improve greatly and we may see more service. Virgin was very hesitant to serve here because of these issues, but there was a demand for the flights and $$ talk. I wish there was more too. SQ is coming is September and JL will be back in March, at least it is a start.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

I think because LAS is already well-served by AA, HP, N7, UA and WN, most international travellers visiting Las Vegas, NV will likely change planes using code-share or alliance carriers to fly from international gateways such as JFK, ORD, MIA, DFW, LAX and SFO to LAS.

User currently offlineCbqfan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

For the most part, I think it is determined by what nationality the Las Vegas Convention and Visitor Authority wants to woo. A few years ago it was Asian countries (the source of most of our 'Hi-Rollers'), then Mexico. We currently are served by Aviasca, Mexicana, and Aero Mexico.
Virgin Atlantic has been trying to get into Vegas for a number of years. Guess it has a lot to do with the flambouyant Branson. He arrived on the maiden flight dressed in an Elvis style jumpsuit.
Canada does have a large presence with daily Air Canada flights and bi-weekly Skyservice flights.

Most of our international traffic is covered by seasonal charter service. Condor was mentioned. I have seen Airtours, ANA, Korean Air, Sabena, Varig, CityBird, Transglobal, and I think it was Novair (but I'm not sure). Did see a KLM jet only once.
Not to mention the no longer existant lines of Canada 3000, Rich International, and Royal.

When Northwest was flying the daily non-stop to Tokyo, the custom folks expressed concern about being able to handle two 747's of passengers at once.

Correct about the plane changing. Check out the flight information on the McCarran website and you'll see flights from Paris and Tokyo retaining the same flight number, but changing planes at a large hub.

If you're coming to Vegas, show up in spring on a Thursday or Sunday. that's when all the international flights arrive and depart.

cbqfan



User currently offlineAMX From Mexico, joined Oct 2001, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

Aeromexico serves Las Vegas with a daily flight to Hermosillo, Mexico (HMO) and Mexico City (MEX).

Regards!

AMX



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