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About 15 Euro Routes To Be Axed At BA  
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

The BBC reports BA is looking at axing approximately 15 of it's European routes. The link below includes a brief interview with Rod Eddington, CEO.

Regards

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1750000/video/_1752058_ba22_randall_vi.ram

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User currently offlineD From South Africa, joined Sep 2001, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

I am sure that they wanted to axe ZAG-LGW (Zagreb, Croatia) - LGW, and I am not sure why.. Since they had decent loads, at least when I was flying with them.
They'll probably return one day when the situation clears. In the meantime Croatia Airlines will enjoy monopoly on yet another line.. ah bummer.

All the best! And come and visit JNB sometimes  Smile Your reports on the LHR<->CTN route were great!

D


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Thanks for the compliments. I've actually been to Jo'burg, although that was back in 1993 as a small kid, when I was living in Nairobi!

Back on the subject;

On instinct, (and not experience) yes, ZAG sounds like just the sort of route BA would like to stop.

Others that come to mind are Bologna, Florence, Naples etc. which are really over-served by British airlines (scheduled & charter), and which are not suited to BA's philosophy of chasing mainly business traffic.

BA should stick to lucrative routes, such as the major European capitals, whilst steering clear of holiday routes-a mistake it made in flying to some longhaul destinations too.

I hope Eddington makes a real effort to get BA back on the track to good fortunes-it could be a much better, more efficient airline than it is at the moment.

Regards


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Actually Capt Picard, Naples is one of the better routes in the LGW-Europe portfolio. Florence is not served by BA - they go to PSA, although I believe CFE were looking at the destination before they were integrated. Zagreb might not be a brilliant route but we are dealing in relative matters here, hardly any of the short haul flights turn a profit. However, you have to take into account the feed that some of them provide on to the rest of the BA network.

The routes that I would have thought are vulnerable are FCO, TLS, BOD, OTP, ARN, GVA, BIO, BEG, BRE, NCE, VRN, LYS ( a true disaster), ZAG, DUS, GCI.




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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

About BRE I´not so sure. BA is currently the only carrier on this route, flying the ATR72 from CityFlyer. However it was a very stupid decision to downgrade from an ARJ100.

Regards
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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1401 times:

They might be the only carrier, but it still doesn't perform very well. I suspect that BA would work on the assumption that the BRE market, which isn't very big, would transfer over to HAJ, and improve that route at the same time.


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User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

Thanks much Banco. Do I get a feeling we're getting 'inside info' here?  Wink/being sarcastic

My only link 'in' to BA is a friend on a 1 year Internship, and he's out of the loop on this one. (I guess everyone is).

Regards


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

Banco, that would be a joke! Transferring the BRE market to HAJ? HEHEHE, a good laugh!! The distance between BRE and HAJ is a good 100km, when BA is stupid enough to drop this flight Lufthansa CityLine will take it faster than you can count till three...

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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

I have no inside knowledge as to what routes might be chopped. Just my assessment of the network.


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Flying -Tiger, I'm well aware of the distance involved, I'm just telling you how I would expect BA to think. LH used to fly BRE-LHR once a day with an RJ85 and lost money. They might start a STN operation to pick up some of it of course but I don't think BA would factor that into the equation, as it is such a small market and the high yielders come from the UK end on almost all European routes. They wouldn't keep all of the traffic by any means, but they might keep some, and if you are losing money on a route, then that is usually taken into account.


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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

Actually I live really close to BRE. Does BA really think that people from this area will drive to HAJ to get a London-flight? Or will they choose the Lufthansa flight from BRE to London? I think the answer is quite easy. If LH does not start the route one of their TEAM LH members will do so or OLT will move in. If the are smart they will start two flights, one to LCY, one to LHR.

Regards
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User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

FCO vulnerable?
C'mon, are you referring just to the LGW-FCO or even to flights from LHR.
BD already withdrew from Rome and if even BA leaves Alitalia will have a monopoly on a very important route.
Not that I would dislike it.......


Ciao

Stefano

P.S.

Did you know that the BA Italian franchisee, NJI, ceased operations a couple of months ago? I thought they were doing good on internal routes and they were also expanding.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8045 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

London to Nice is a good route, no way are BA going to drop it. They often use 767s and it's great for biz, the Cote d'Azur is convention central. Cannes Film Festival, MIDEM et al are just two such world-famous events.


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Read the post carefully. LHR is not mentioned, BA won't give anything up there, the slots are far too valuable.


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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3954 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Flying Tiger,

the problem LH will face in taking over BRE-LON from BA is simply slots - they will not waste any slots at slot-controlled LHR for a BRE-service. Admittedly, after Sep 9/11, they made some LHR slots available to transfer STN-CGN to STN, but in the long term slots at Heathrow are needed for bmi longhauls. The only option would probably be London City, but again, at London City it is quite difficult to get apron space during the morning and evening peak. And an off-peak or 1 daily service does hardly work - IQ axed FMO for example, a market quite similar to BRE. And - they won't serve STN as this station has just been closed down - from U.K.'s second largest LH station to ZERO faster than you could count to three.

As for OLT, they cannot operate into LCY with the aircraft they have; neither the Metro nor the Saab 340A are certified for LCY. At LHR, they will not get any slots - imagine, an OLT Saab 340 at LHR which has, to the best of my knowledge, three daily turboprop movements by KLM cityhopper. The only place OLT could go would be STN which is probably not the place the business-traveller wants to go to.

As for axing DUS, I have my doubts about that. DUS is one of the destinations SOU would like to have served in the mid-term future, so there must a potential on the route for point-to-point traffic from DUS to Sussex etc. The routes has been served for almost 20 years by Connectair, Air Europe, Cityflyer etc. and there are no competing services from CGN, DTM, MGL etc. to an airport that serves the whole area south of London.


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

VfW614, actually you forgot OLT`s Do 328. I admit, currently they couldn´t deploy it on such a run, the plane is attched to the BRE-TLS flight and is in TLS all day long. The only way would be aquiring a second one, something which is not out of question since they want to standarize their fleet. The Saab isn´t possible at the moment, too, since it is dedicated to the ERF-MUC segment. All three Metroliners are busy, no chance to add London-flights. Every kind of expansation will mean adding at least one more plane to the fleet. But hey, thanks for your opinion, was interesting to read!

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User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1280 times:


I think that BA might cut MLA... I doubt how profitable this route is for BA (GB).
Since they have already cut a significant proportion of services on this route, then, I think that they might leave. I hope however, that a NEW carrier will come in, such as VS... They showed interest about a year ago... so, we'll see.

Rgds.,

BBADXB  Wink/being sarcastic



User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

I beleive Manila has already been slated for removal from the network-and why not, given they can code-share with Cathay through Hong Kong?

Similar happened a while ago, when BA stopped serving Santiago, and began code-shares with Lan Chile from Buenos Aires.

I'm still awaiting with interest the results of their investigation into the long-haul network, as cuts here are less obvious than in Europe, imo.

I can see Caracas & Bogota going, with the retention of services to Brazil & Argentina.

Just instinct though!

Regards


User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1259 times:


BTW, MLA = Malta Intern'l

Rgds
BBADXB  Wink/being sarcastic



User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

Ok, excuse me. But you led me to the topic of long-haul, which is what I am mainly interested in!

Regards


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7985 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1234 times:

I think the reason why BA is cancelling 15 routes from LGW to European destinations is the fact they can't compete against a low-cost carrier like EasyJet.

Given that EasyJet wants to establish a large operation at LGW, that does explain why the airline wants as many as 75 new jets in the 737-700/A319 category.


User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1222 times:

Sure if BA axed LGW routes Easyjet will be very happy to get the new free slots.........

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

BBADXB, MLA is a GB Airways route and as such BA have no say over the operation. The decision is for GB and GB alone. Having said that, I would be stunned if GB decided to stop it!

Oh, one other prediction, BIO might get franchised out to GB as well.



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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3954 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

@ Flying Tiger

OLT would indeed need another Do328 as the one they have is tied to the EADS corporate shuttle to Toulouse - I can't see Airbus employees shuttling to Toulouse in a Metro  Wink/being sarcastic . The question, however, is what fares they would have to charge operating an undoubtedly expensive 31seat aircraft like the Do328 into Europe's most expensive airport on a relatively short route. The other question is how much point to point traffic does a London route from Bremen generate - Cityflyer will have a fair portion of feeder traffic to LGW which OLT would not have.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7360 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1172 times:
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I remember OLT's BRE-MAN route which last barely 4 months (Nov 1999 to Feb 2000); it attracted the magnificent average passenger load of something like 2 or 3 passengers per flight! (It only got this high because the Jan & Feb passenger figures doubled the Nov & Dec figures!). They did say that one drawback was offering a daily weekday service and that it would have needed a double daily weekday service to entice travellers.

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