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CX Threatens Pilots With No Pay Rise  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13756 posts, RR: 18
Posted (14 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Cathay threatens pilots with no pay rise

HONG KONG (Reuters) - Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd criticised its pilots on Thursday for resuming a work-to-rule campaign, saying there would be no increase in pay or other benefits if they did not relent.

The warning came 10 days after the airline's pilots began a go-slow campaign in an attempt to win better pay and work conditions. The pilots' campaign involves working strictly according to the terms of their contracts and not helping out on their days off.

In a letter addressed to its crew members, Asia's fourth-largest airline and Hong Kong's biggest carrier accused its pilots of destroying the territory's reputation as an aviation hub and damaging the airline's high yield revenue streams.

The airline also accused the pilots' union of putting on a "spin" in their latest campaign, alleging that it was designed to position Cathay as "an unsafe airline".

The airline said the insincerity of the pilots' union would prevent any meaningful negotiations when the pilots' three-year agreement with the airline expires by the middle of the year.

"If there is no committee we can sensibly work with, it will mean by default that the current conditions of service will roll over," it added.

"There will be no change to the basic conditions of service but it will mean no increase in salary," it said.

Asked if the company would rule out layoffs, Cathay's spokesman, Tony Tyler, told Reuters: "We have no desire to make redundant any staff ... but we certainly cannot afford to have anyone on board that is not fully with the company."

In response, John Findlay of the Hong Kong Aircrew Officers' Association, which represents 85 percent of Cathay's 1,400 passenger service pilots, denied that the union has been involved in any "spin"

The latest move was designed by Cathay to intimidate the pilots and their families, he said.

Cathay pilots started a work to rule campaign on July 3 last year causing delays and cancellations at the start of the busy summer holiday season. The campaign escalated in late August after talks broke down, dealing a blow to Cathay's profit margins at a time when the aviation industry was showing signs of a slowdown.

The pilots suspended the job action on October 19 to resume talks but have accused Cathay of not negotiating in good faith.

Cathay sacked 52 pilots for their 'go slow' campaign, saying it had lost confidence in them, but later reinstated one.

Troubled by Hong Kong's second economic downturn in four years, lower incomes and fear of more layoffs, there has been little public expression of sympathy with the pilots.

Shares of Cathay rose 3.37 percent to HK$10.75 on Thursday. The stock is down about 22 percent in the past year.

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User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2153 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (14 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

I have no sympathy for them. Hope they ruin their airline the way UA pilots ruined UAL.

User currently offlinePacific From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

Class B pilots signed up knowing that they would get less salary than class A. In this Economic downturn and the abundance of the "$10 a day elderly ladies", they still get good pay. Not much sympathy although the company may also have its faults.
A pay freeze is so generous......instead of pay cuts and lay offs in other parts of HK. The pilots seem pretty well off.


User currently offlineDe727ups From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 814 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (14 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

"....the airline's pilots began a go-slow campaign in an attempt to win better pay and work conditions. The pilots' campaign involves working strictly according to the terms of their contracts and not helping out on their days off."

Ummmm....so why should pilots not work exactly to every letter and period of their contract? And why should pilots work on their day off?

The contract is a negoitated set of rules agreed to between the company and the pilots. Both sides agreed to it when they signed it. Now the company expects a labor group to "exceed" the contract and yells and screams when they don't?

User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6811 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (14 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Exactly. how many people on this forum work on their days off? How many people go and really work above and beyond the call of your contract? I'm not saying that's bad thing if you do, but if you don't so what? You should get threatened with being fired, and have your company business splashed out for all to see and critisize? It's ridiculous.

User currently offlineCXCPA From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

The CX executives and pilots are doing nothing to improve the situation. The pilots take their industrial action--not over-time work and receive employer's call during day off. And the CX executives say nothing. At current situation, all pilots from worldwide are not possible to have pay rise. And now CX executives ask the pilots to change their representative because CX think that they damage their business by industrial action and say CX do not pay enough attention to prevent hijacking.

But airlines cannot do anything to prevent hijacking. Now many airlines lock the cockpit. But if the hijacker put a knife near one of the passenger/crew's neck (or claim that there are bombs on the plane) and ask to go to the cockpit. What will the pilot do? I think CX flyboy should ask this question.

User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6811 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (14 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2267 times:


I agree that asking for money and benefits right now is stupid. I do not agree with this at all. However, I do agree that a new rostering deal needs to be made. This would benefit the airline AND the pilots. Once this is done, then we should move on to the next item, which should be benefits and pay. The contract is due for renewal in July 2002 anyway, so it is about time that a new deal was negotiated. By then, the profits for 2001 will be clear, and the aviation industry will have started to rebound and it would give the AOA more bargaining power. If I were President, things would be run differently, but I guess we can all say that!!
As for the hijacking situation, I am afraid that I cannot discuss what our company procedure is, as there are many people on this forum, and unfortunately, no-body can guarantee that each and every member has good intentions. Company procedures in this matter are fairly secretive, and I am sure there are many wouldbe hijackers that would love to know. Sorry!!

User currently offlineCXCPA From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

CX flyboy,
Of course, you do not need to ask the question in this forum. But all paseengers should make sure that you have ability to deal with hijacking situation. You always say that the rostering system is poor, the AOA should tell the public cleary how the rostering system poor is. Otherwise, no one will support you. Then, CX pilots have a great chance to lose.

User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4808 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

I think it's time to replace the CX management as they've clearly showed over the past year that they're not able to create a good working relationship with the pilots. This whole situation looks to me more like a power struggle which the CX management should have known they couldn't win (the management does have a very weak case as they admit indirectly that they failed in hiring enough employees by requiring employees to work overtime). Therefore the management should take up its responsibility and leave.

As for the passengers. As usual they're the biggest losers as they're between both parties.


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