Scand_Flyer From Norway, joined Nov 2000, 65 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 847 times:
This is a quick translation of an article in the Norwegian web based newspaper Nettavisen:
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The swiss airline Crossair is in negotiations with Lufthansa concerning an alliance.
This was confirmed by the company on Sunday. Crossair will expand its operations by taking over some of the assets of bankrupt Swissair, and the company needs to find an alliance partner by the end of March.
Lufthansa would through an alliance with Crossair be able to use Zurich airport as a hub for flights to Africa and Asia.
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So, what do you think? Does this mean that Crossair will join Star?
RJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4107 posts, RR: 32 Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 801 times:
Hello
I read the same in a Swiss newspaper today but I think it won't happen. Crossair, Lufthansa and Austrian Airlines would be the only operators on Switzerland-Germany vv. Switzerland-Austria vv. and Germany-Austria vv.!
GOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 790 times:
I doubt that Crossair will join Star, atleast not in the near future. Star is already overrepresented in Europe with SK, LH, BD, OS, NG, VO and in some time perhaps also Spanair.
But this doesn't mean that they can't form an alliance, LH alradey cooperate with several airlines outside Star.
GOT
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Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 774 times:
I think it could happen. Even now the "new" Swissair (LX) will be over-sized, especially the MD-11s are too big. Zurich is not a very big market, it heavily depends on feeder traffic. What LH (?) now proposes would basically be a downgrading of Zurich to a regional hub with a number of important long-haul flights whilest MUC would get additional long-hauls. More cost-effective IMO.
Interesting that this statement comes when there are rumours folating around about a possible fleet swap between LH and LX. Latter is rumoured to be interested in 10 A340-300 from LH, former wants to get rid of some due to some over-capacity. Maybe swapping 10 A343 for a couple of MD-11s for LH Cargo and the surplus A330-200 to replace LH A340-200 on the medium-range runs?
Andie007 From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 848 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 770 times:
Sure. Crossair could join Star. German television text says that most of the north american traffic will be in cooperation with United.
BUT!!!!
A codeshare agreement between Crossair and Lufthansa needs an approval of the EU-commission and the "Bundeskartellbehoerde" (department that controls cartels).
Lufthansa & Crossair would have a monopoly on Swiss-German traffic.
Moreover, the "Bundeskartellbehoerde" does not like the Austian-Lufthansa codeshare agreement, too.
Avion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 769 times:
I am sure it could happen too. But the article states that LH would make ZRH the Asia and Africa hub. Which doesnt mean a downgrading the way i read it.
Andie007 From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 848 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 754 times:
Why should Lufthansa move their Aisa and Africa flights to Europe? Every passenger from a crossair destination can connect at Frankfurt or Munich.
They don not plan to open a third hub?!
That makes no sense.
Moreover, does Lufthansa has traffic rights to fly Swiss-Asia or Swiss-Africa????
Airsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 38 Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 748 times:
Isn´t there or wasn´t there in the not too sistant past a code share agreement LH/LX on MUC-BSL/MLH flights?
Anyway, I doubt Swissair II could be in an allaince with LH, for the reason already stated: an alliance LH-OS Group-SR would basically eliminate competition in all of German speaking Europe.
However, LH and SR have been traditionally on good terms regardimng leasing planes to and fro, so I could imagine LHCargo taking up some of SR´s MD11 and/or LH assuming SR´s delivery positions for the 340-600s.
Andreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 34 Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 724 times:
Heard it on the radio,too. What I found most intriguing is the fact, that Crossair did negotiate with BA about a cooperation, but stopped these, as no results seemd to be achievable. Does anyone know some facts about that?
Regards
Andreas
RJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4107 posts, RR: 32 Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 721 times:
At the moment there is no codeshare agreement LH/LX. Lufthansa is one of the biggest competitors for Crossair at BSL/MLH, currently operating 4 times a day fo FRA, 3x MUC (planning a fourth flight; LX flies BSL-MUC also 4x/day). LH is also planning 2x daily BSL-DUS and 2x daily BSL-TGL.
RJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4107 posts, RR: 32 Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 705 times:
Hello Andie007
Yes, check www.jetstream.ch (Swiss aviation magazine).
Also Mr. Sieber (BSL airport boss) said in an interview that new flights to DUS and TGL are possible.
I think LH makes good money at BSL. The pharma industry here uses LH all the time for longhaul flights instead of SR.
RJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4107 posts, RR: 32 Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 693 times:
Of course it is wishful thinking!
To operate 26 longhaul planes out of Switzerland is very hard. Unfortunately the new Crossair board was elected by Mr. Rainer E. Gut who was sitting in the old SR board and he was also responsible that SR had such a stupid strategy. Unfortunately they will maybe also destroy LX, which is a great (and rational thinking) airline.
But then, what choices do I have as a Swiss? The only choice is to support the new airline.
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23 Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 682 times:
When I think of the first days of october last year. Many passengers holding valid and payed tickets on Swissair were told to buy another ticket as their ticket was of no value. No other airlines wanted to accept their tickets, LH included. SR screwed up with a few more airlines in Europe Sabena, TAP, AOM, Air Liberté to name a few. Since Crosssair is nothing more than the "old" Swissair, Crossair to looks like a very unreliable partner. Swissair fans perhaps not, but the general public has not forgotten these things. I find it difficult to believe that an airline like LH wants to be associated with SR. LH might just wait until LX bleeds to death instead and then take over the Swiss market.
Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3480 posts, RR: 34 Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 627 times:
I doubt, that Swissair has such a bad reputation, as you think, Manni. Add to that, that Crossair isn't just the old Swissair. Crossair was and is another airline, which will be the basis for a new Swiss airline with an intercontinental network. For that purpose, Crossair will add some parts of Swissair.
Gerardo
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Rey777 From France, joined Apr 2001, 170 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 577 times:
Of course, LX is not the old SR... I agree with you Gerardo. Crossair has a different spirit, a different story, some different people... Crossair is not Swissair. Think about that everyone !
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