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374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!  
User currently offlineHkg_clk From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 999 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5255 times:

I know that many charter airlines cram a lot of people into their planes, but the seat map on Monarch's homepage shows a ridiculously jam packed A332. Normally airbus wide-bodies have 8 seats across, but this one has nine! The normal economy seats are narrow enough, but how can one fit in to 9-abreast seats?? If you've been on one of those flights, what does it feel like sitting in such a narrow seat?

If passengers of airlines like BA/SQ/QF are complaining about DVT problems etc, I am surprised that passengers are not expressing outrage at the lack of space on these charter jets!


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User currently offlineGOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5100 times:

I guess this is about normal with charter carriers, scandinavian Premiar flies the A330-200 with 360 seats and the A330-300 with 408(!) seats. On their website iit is said that "the spacie cabin, it's room for 408 seats.
I've been on one of the planes, OY-VKH, and it actually didn't feel that cramped, but I'm not that tall (yet?), and I would really like to fly a "normal" seating lay-out before I could compare. One thing that I noticed in the a/c was the 9-abreast seating in the front of the a/c, but only 8-abreast in the rear. Could anyone explain this to me?

GOT



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

To be honest, I didn't find it too cramped, compared to Airtours' 8 abreast 763 it was very comfortable, and had more legroom too.

They fit so many seats in by not having any bulkheads (time for a photo plug!)


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User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

408 seats?!?!?! That's more than our 747-400s!!!

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5020 times:

Sounds like a horrible idea to me !

User currently offlineHkg_clk From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

Are the seats themselves narrower, or is it mainly the asiles that are made much narrower?

EGGD, yes, you've just reminded me. I've seen 8 abreast on 767s as well. That must be terrible! These airlines should be preparing for complaints from passengers suffering from DVT!!



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User currently offlineHkg_clk From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4996 times:

8-abreast at the rear probably because the plane is actually narrower at the back. I think there would be no asile left if there were nine seats back there!!


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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4989 times:

mmmmm, the aisle is quite wide at the back, with the help of the 2-4-2 seating. The aisle was about the same size AFAIK.

Regards

Dan


User currently offlineTom_eddf From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

In the early days of the A300 (same fuselage cross section as the A330), it was quite common to use 3-3-3 seating configuarations.

IMHO, 3-3-3 is not that bad, compared with 2-5-2. Some carriers are also using 3-4-3 (10 abreast) on the 777, guess this should feel the same as 3-3-3 in the bus.


User currently offlineOD-BWH From Kuwait, joined Jan 2002, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

I've also seen this in a seating plan for an Alitalia A300 used on European and/or domestic routes 5+ yrs ago.


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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24960 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4951 times:

Its comfortable. Ive been on A300 with 361 seats.


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User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

Relax, it´s not that bad. I´ve been both on 3-4-3 DC10s and 3-3-3 Airbusses, and it´s OK. Being tall and slim I prefer narrower seats with more legroom over wider seats with less legroom.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

I've sat in an A300 with 3-3-3 seating and its not so bad, I actually think that they were wider than BA's World Traveller seats in their 744's (3-4-3)

Regards

Dan


User currently offlineKarliboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

it depends how tall one is...last year flew LGW-FUE on MON A300...dreadfully cramped..couldn't move..just pants really!!

User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4844 times:

Hehe, you said breast hehe.


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User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 830 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4838 times:


Swedish Britannia has 316 seats on their 763.
They have 2-4-2seat config.
First five rows are premium class where they have 2-3-2.
i feel sorry for the crew since the galleys are so small.
It must be really hard trying to work there..lol
Also one thing is that they dont have any waste bins in the cabin. In the aft galley there is a small latch in the floor where they throw all the waste, and they have this big waste bin in the cargo area. Its pretty smart.
Maybe the some big airlines should try that.It would save a lot of room. And maybe they could afford some extra legroom.



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User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

I've flown Air Transat's 3-3-3 A330's four times now. Twice I was in Club Transat, but the other 2 times it was a flight across the Atlantic. The seats where narrow but not constrictive was my first notice, but being fairly tall I found the legroom quite bad. I could withstand the 3-3-3 seating as long as there was a bit more legroom, but I wouldn't want to be a big guy sitting in those seats. I guess the only comfort you have is thinking how little you paid for the flight.

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User currently offlineDll10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

There are several airlines out there, the most famous is probably Britannia, because they fly their 767s in a 2-4-2 configuration and have up to 47 rows on the 763. That fits in up to 330 people into the 767, compared to better charter carrier´s all economy 270. It´s the science of converting an extreme longhaul aircraft into a medium range mass transporter. LTU was thinking about flying its 333s in a 3-3-3 config for a while but thank god they did not go through with that idea. They have just cut legroom a little.

User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1386 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

The 767's 8 abreast is the worst of the bunch, the 767's cabin internally is to narrow for the 8 across to me. 9 on the bus isnt so bad.


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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

this raises an interesting question: What are the maximum number of PAX that these airplanes are certified to carry? Would 408 be the legal limit for a 333, for example? I've read that the 772 is certified for 419. Anyone have some of these figures?


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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24960 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

I believe the 777-200 can carry up to 510pax in an all Y config.


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User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6228 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

I remember flying on A300 with 3-3-3 from Carnival and that plane was overly cramped. It was a 3 hour flight and it felt more like a 6 hour flight when I got there.
Chepos



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User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

I boarded an Edelweiss A332 on the ground last time and I think I counted 280+ seats in a 2 class 2-4-2 config. The Y seats were quite comfy with adjustable headrests.

User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4675 times:

Apparently the Corsair 747 flights from CDG to Tahiti are "special", as much as 550 pax in a one class plane! Yikes!!


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User currently offlineCorsairf/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4633 times:

Corsair 747/300 have 580 pax with 2 class.
How come ?
Only 2 galleys on the main deck, at doors 2 and doors 4, no wardrobe for coats and 12 lavs, on the upper deck 1 galley 2 lavs, 25 seats in the business like class and 36 seats for the eco . So you can put a lot off people. ANA and JAL put more pax on their 747/400 domestic.


25 Wingman : How can 8 abreast in a 763 be worse than 9 abreast in a 330 if the seats on a 763 are wider in a normal configuration than those on a normally configu
26 Post contains images Braniff Place : A300/310/330/340 Cross Section: Charter: 16in tourist class seats with 16in gangways Standard:17inch+ economy class seats with 19in gangways. BRANIFF
27 DC10Tony : When MON came into SFB, their A330s and A300s both had 9-abreast and their DC10 was configured for 10-abreast. A330 = 374 pax. A300 = 361 pax. DC10 =
28 Spaceman : I have also been on Air Transat A330 once with the 9 abreast seating. It wasn't so bad at all just the seats seen smaller. The seat pitch was not too
29 Fanofjets : I flew on an Air Florida DC-10 with 3-4-3 (10 abreast) seating. While not spacious, it wasn't too bad; and the airlines excellent service made up for
30 Yeadon : I too have been on the 361 pax A300-600R of Monarch and on the Corsair 747-300 with 581 pax off a 2250m strip at Leeds Bradford (LBA)!!
31 RickB : Tried the BA777 on a flight back from Miami with the 3-4-3 configuration in economy and it felt cramped at the time but not too bad. Last year I was i
32 Cliperb777 : Aren't AF's 340's configured 3-3-3. I flew once form IAH to CDG and I seem to recall the A340 was configured in such a way.
33 ATA L1011 : Maximum for the 777-200 is 440, that is what it is certified at Gkirk.
34 GKirk : Mmmm....ok. Sure I read somewhere it would be possible for 500+.
35 ATA L1011 : Probably in an emergency situation or if it had more exits. remeber that 747 a while back that carried over 1,000 people in that evacuation Gkirk.
36 Hkg_clk : Some years ago, Airbus used to say in its advertisements that passengers on its long haul planes would never be more than one seat way from an aisle -
37 Give it a GO : See my recent trip report on one of Monarchs A330's on a 10+ hour flight to / from Goa.
38 Wingman : Wait till one of these cattle car outfits gets a hold of a 380. I would travel to the destination airport just to see the sorry sods disembark. Using
39 Spk : Last week I was on THAI's B772 with 10 abreast (3-4-3) seating. It was not too bad at all. Much better than what I expected. THAI only uses these plan
40 Jaysit : Boeing 747s are not configured for 3-5-3 seating. I believe Boeing will not certify an aircraft reconfigured for such seating, so you were probably mi
41 PA006 : CX's L-1011 were in 3-4-3 configuration in the main cabin and no one seems to be complaining...
42 Konstantinos : I remember flying on that MON DC10-30 when it was with Zambia Airways. It was config. 3 class, 236 seats. (F)2+2+2 / (C)2+3+2 / (Y)2+5+2 and as it nar
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