Hkg_clk From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 999 posts, RR: 2 Posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6133 times:
I know that many charter airlines cram a lot of people into their planes, but the seat map on Monarch's homepage shows a ridiculously jam packed A332. Normally airbus wide-bodies have 8 seats across, but this one has nine! The normal economy seats are narrow enough, but how can one fit in to 9-abreast seats?? If you've been on one of those flights, what does it feel like sitting in such a narrow seat?
If passengers of airlines like BA/SQ/QF are complaining about DVT problems etc, I am surprised that passengers are not expressing outrage at the lack of space on these charter jets!
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GOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5978 times:
I guess this is about normal with charter carriers, scandinavian Premiar flies the A330-200 with 360 seats and the A330-300 with 408(!) seats. On their website iit is said that "the spacie cabin, it's room for 408 seats.
I've been on one of the planes, OY-VKH, and it actually didn't feel that cramped, but I'm not that tall (yet?), and I would really like to fly a "normal" seating lay-out before I could compare. One thing that I noticed in the a/c was the 9-abreast seating in the front of the a/c, but only 8-abreast in the rear. Could anyone explain this to me?
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Flyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 859 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5716 times:
Swedish Britannia has 316 seats on their 763.
They have 2-4-2seat config.
First five rows are premium class where they have 2-3-2.
i feel sorry for the crew since the galleys are so small.
It must be really hard trying to work there..lol
Also one thing is that they dont have any waste bins in the cabin. In the aft galley there is a small latch in the floor where they throw all the waste, and they have this big waste bin in the cargo area. Its pretty smart.
Maybe the some big airlines should try that.It would save a lot of room. And maybe they could afford some extra legroom.
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Spyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5721 times:
I've flown Air Transat's 3-3-3 A330's four times now. Twice I was in Club Transat, but the other 2 times it was a flight across the Atlantic. The seats where narrow but not constrictive was my first notice, but being fairly tall I found the legroom quite bad. I could withstand the 3-3-3 seating as long as there was a bit more legroom, but I wouldn't want to be a big guy sitting in those seats. I guess the only comfort you have is thinking how little you paid for the flight.
Dll10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5654 times:
There are several airlines out there, the most famous is probably Britannia, because they fly their 767s in a 2-4-2 configuration and have up to 47 rows on the 763. That fits in up to 330 people into the 767, compared to better charter carrier´s all economy 270. It´s the science of converting an extreme longhaul aircraft into a medium range mass transporter. LTU was thinking about flying its 333s in a 3-3-3 config for a while but thank god they did not go through with that idea. They have just cut legroom a little.
Jean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5599 times:
this raises an interesting question: What are the maximum number of PAX that these airplanes are certified to carry? Would 408 be the legal limit for a 333, for example? I've read that the 772 is certified for 419. Anyone have some of these figures?
Corsairf/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5511 times:
Corsair 747/300 have 580 pax with 2 class.
How come ?
Only 2 galleys on the main deck, at doors 2 and doors 4, no wardrobe for coats and 12 lavs, on the upper deck 1 galley 2 lavs, 25 seats in the business like class and 36 seats for the eco . So you can put a lot off people. ANA and JAL put more pax on their 747/400 domestic.
: How can 8 abreast in a 763 be worse than 9 abreast in a 330 if the seats on a 763 are wider in a normal configuration than those on a normally configu
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: A300/310/330/340 Cross Section: Charter: 16in tourist class seats with 16in gangways Standard:17inch+ economy class seats with 19in gangways. BRANIFF
: When MON came into SFB, their A330s and A300s both had 9-abreast and their DC10 was configured for 10-abreast. A330 = 374 pax. A300 = 361 pax. DC10 =
: I have also been on Air Transat A330 once with the 9 abreast seating. It wasn't so bad at all just the seats seen smaller. The seat pitch was not too
: I flew on an Air Florida DC-10 with 3-4-3 (10 abreast) seating. While not spacious, it wasn't too bad; and the airlines excellent service made up for
: I too have been on the 361 pax A300-600R of Monarch and on the Corsair 747-300 with 581 pax off a 2250m strip at Leeds Bradford (LBA)!!
: Tried the BA777 on a flight back from Miami with the 3-4-3 configuration in economy and it felt cramped at the time but not too bad. Last year I was i
: Aren't AF's 340's configured 3-3-3. I flew once form IAH to CDG and I seem to recall the A340 was configured in such a way.
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: Maximum for the 777-200 is 440, that is what it is certified at Gkirk.
: Mmmm....ok. Sure I read somewhere it would be possible for 500+.
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: Probably in an emergency situation or if it had more exits. remeber that 747 a while back that carried over 1,000 people in that evacuation Gkirk.
: Some years ago, Airbus used to say in its advertisements that passengers on its long haul planes would never be more than one seat way from an aisle -
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: See my recent trip report on one of Monarchs A330's on a 10+ hour flight to / from Goa.
: Wait till one of these cattle car outfits gets a hold of a 380. I would travel to the destination airport just to see the sorry sods disembark. Using
: Last week I was on THAI's B772 with 10 abreast (3-4-3) seating. It was not too bad at all. Much better than what I expected. THAI only uses these plan
: Boeing 747s are not configured for 3-5-3 seating. I believe Boeing will not certify an aircraft reconfigured for such seating, so you were probably mi
: CX's L-1011 were in 3-4-3 configuration in the main cabin and no one seems to be complaining...
: I remember flying on that MON DC10-30 when it was with Zambia Airways. It was config. 3 class, 236 seats. (F)2+2+2 / (C)2+3+2 / (Y)2+5+2 and as it nar