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LOT May Join Star Alliance After Feb. Decision  
User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 13
Posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1671 times:
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There's been some discussion here about LOT's future in the wake of Swissair's collapse. Here's a short article that came out today in the Warsaw Voice's business section on the future of LOT. It looks like Star Alliance may soon cement their dominance of Central/Northern Europe by trying to add LOT and Finnair to the fold. See thread on Finnair for further details.

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The German national carrier Lufthansa has stated that it is interested in cooperating with LOT Polish Airlines. It's also likely that LOT will join the Star Alliance airline group, in which Lufthansa plays a leading role.

LOT is currently a member of the Qualiflyer airline group, a Star Alliance competitor. Swissair, one of the leading airlines in the Qualiflyer alliance, is a strategic investor in LOT. However, due to the collapse of the Swissair Group, the Qualiflyer alliance is likely to be dissolved and Swissair's LOT holdings sold off.

Juergen Weber, president of Lufthansa, met with Treasury Minister Wiesław Kaczmarek Dec. 19. According to Treasury Ministry Spokesperson Beata Jarosz, Weber showed strong interest in LOT joining the Star Alliance. Kaczmarek emphasized the fact that he appreciates Lufthansa's will to initiate close cooperation between LOT and the members of Star Alliance. Prime Minister Leszek Miller will have the final say in the matter, and is expected to make a decision in late February, after reviewing an analysis of LOT's profitability.

Lufthansa has officially confirmed that talks with LOT over possible cooperation are in progress. But the airline also denied that during his visit to Warsaw, Weber had made proposals regarding LOT's participation in Star Alliance. Moreover, Lufthansa stated that it is not interested in buying all of LOT's stock.



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

I will do the whole rosary if LOT joins STAR Alliance damn it! I really dislike Qualiflyer, and STAR could teach LOT a few things (Like how to fly on time). I will freaking cry and pray all day if LOT joins STAR. Please let it be! Oh please.......

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

i thought finnair was currently part of the oneworld alliance

User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Isn't LOT closely tied to BA. Wouldn't oneworld be the obvious alliance?

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

Austrian has Eastern Europe covered much better then LOT. I would say that they would be more of an asset to One World, They have stong ties with AA and BA, and ONE WOrld is lacking in the eastern Europe department.


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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

LOT is tied to the Qualiflyer group, not much so with BA and Oneworld. Although that is suspicious because it seems that alot of codeshares are with oneworld partners. For at ORD, LOT codeshares on these flights with AA.

ORD-

PHX
LAX
MIA
SEA
SFO
MSP
DEN

However LOT isnt financially tied to oneworld as far as i know. GOD PLEASE JOIN STAR!


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Damn oneworld, I just want to fly out of UAL T-1 at ORD dang it! heheheh  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up Wouldnt it be nice....o please let it be!

User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

Hmmm, what if LH reached a deal with Crossair?

Are we going to see Star dominating Germany, British Isles, Switzerland, Poland, Austria and Scandinavian?

That would be interesting.


User currently offlineTwa902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Well it would make sense the have a

Chicago-Warsaw
Chicago-Krakow (sp?) route

so all that feed from UA would help. Plus Chicago is already the second biggest Polish city in the world after Warsaw (that's right bigger than any city in Poland except for Warsaw, that is highest Population of Polaks)

twa902



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User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1560 times:
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This is interesting: Air Transport World Online has published the following short paragraph in the last two hours:

British Airways and LOT are discussing the possibility that the struggling Polish carrier may join oneworld, according to the Polish treasury ministry. The subject of the talks between the airlines "was closer cooperation proposed by the British side," the ministry said in a statement. BA declined to comment. "That's a matter for oneworld," a spokesperson said, adding that the talks were about extending codesharing to the London-Birmingham route.

It looks like BA and Lufthansa may have a struggle on their hands for LOT, which, though struggling, offers a lot of potential for future development in central/eastern Europe.


User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1553 times:


Now just a question, what does STAR need LOT for ?
STAR covers so much of Europe and there are so many European airlines in already, so why again a European airline ?
Does this make any sense ?



User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7447 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1536 times:
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Which London-Birmingham flight? Have seen anything announced on that at all!

DAvid/MAN


User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

STAR covers Eastern Europe very well from every hubs (FRA, MUC, CPH, ARN and VIE).
Also from Vienna thanks to OS they have enought room to improve the number of service to every Eastern Europe destinations without adding new carriers to the alliance.
In Europe STAR needs only a new member from Western part (Spanair, off course).
I think LOT could have more advantage with BA & Oneworld.


User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1501 times:


Not again!

I think that at this rate STAR is nearing its saturation point in Europe [where I think it is already too big] (& possibly even in Asia). I think that LOT belongs to oneworld and it'll also be good for competition's sake.

Rgds.,
BBADXB  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineLUVFLNG From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2000, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

Twa902fly not Polaks but "Poles". Learn your proper terminology.


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User currently offlineSwake From Belgium, joined Jan 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

Forget about route diversification. LH and OS fly to many more Eastern European cities than LO. Acquiring a dominant position in the Polish market for intercontinental flights is what LH is interested in. Poland has a rapidly growing economy of nearly 40m customers and LH wouldn't be glad to see them drained to oneworld which indeed lacks a strong Eastern European partner

User currently offlineGdabski From Poland, joined Oct 2001, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

I completely agree with Airblue and BBADXB. Star Alliance has enough European hubs. Lufthansa and Star Alliance want to claim a dominant position in the Polish market for intercontinental flights and also for European flights out of the regional airports like Krakow, Gdansk and Poznan. It would be better for LOT to tie with BA and OneWorld IMHO.

Gdabski


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