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Screening Every Bag? Don't Let Them Fool You  
User currently offlineJer32382 From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 34 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

I am sorry, but I really don't think that EVERY single bag is being screened. What do you all think?

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User currently offlineTurbolet From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

Haha... there's worse than just that! Some time ago Air Malta tried to make me believe that baggage is X-rayed at Gozo Heliport... lolololololol! I'm not that stupid... I can see the conveyor from the check-in desk leads straight to the tarmac  Laugh out loud
-turbolet


User currently offlineJer32382 From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

LOL

User currently offlineTurbolet From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

Worse still, I have proof!


User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1274 times:
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Come on, all the bag handlers look through all the luggage for women's underwear anyways! I think everything will be just fine  Big grin


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User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

Well they can do it quickly with hounds.
Iain


User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

No, it's just a 'positive bag match'(aka corporate jargon) method that makes sure that the passenger is on the flight with the bags, which is supposed to prevent the non-suicide bombers. Suicide ones are still good as gold.

User currently offlineAriegel From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

But bags for connecting pax are not subject to bag matching, so as long as the non-suicide bomber does not board his connecting flight then we are still in trouble. Jeez, who thinks up this stuff.. Makes you thankful for all those tax dollars, doesn't it?

A


User currently offlineJer32382 From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

At least we can have a good laugh about it  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

No offence to Spanish people, but in Spain, the people who are meant to be checking the hand luggage are usually haveing a cigarette, drinking or joking with each other!

I could have taken a bomb, knives and a few guns on one of my flights if I wanted to!

Josh
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineCo 757-300 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

my dad left for EWR-LHR on Virgin on Wednesday and they s4earched his bag inside and out and removed all metal object such as clothes hangers, tweezers,.....ect


User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

Kaddyuk, I was in Reus, and there was a load of us flying back to Teesside, and it was 6am. I think it depends where you go, how busy it is and whether the staff care or not!

Josh
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineEWRvirgin From United States of America, joined May 2001, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1180 times:

There's no excuse for not screening every bag other than cost. For the airlines to say that its not practical and would result in delay after delay is ridiculous. It takes longer for 1 passenger to go through screening (even before 9/11) at a checkpoint handling an entire concourse of flights than it does for a bag to get properly X-rayed as it heads towards the A/C.

Exemplified by what another member posted, VS is very serious about security and without exception every bag is reconciled and is X-rayed. This was the case even before 9/11. VS has also taken other steps since then to put them at the head of the class, security-wise. Other airlines would do good to take note of this.

It's not that I'm tooting VS's horn, but I am genuinely disgusted with how slow the airlines have been to respond to the threats facing them. And its all because upper management doesn't know s**t from shinola when it comes to prioritizing. I wish I didn't have to patronize them just to go on vacation.


User currently offlineJer32382 From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1172 times:

Interesting responses, keep em comin!

User currently offline2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1147 times:

EWRvirgin- it is not ridiculous. Some airlines may only have one or two xray machines in the bag room at aiports, and to expect them to be able to screen each and every bag with out a delay is ridiculous. No, I am not making an excuse as to why it can't be done.. but I am explaining why it can't be done right now. The airlines do need to get moving and order more of the xray machines for the bagrooms, but it will also take the companies who manufacture the machines to be able to crank them out alot quicker then it seems they can.

User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

There are not enough CTX machines right now to screen all bags. Right now there are around 140 machines and over 400 airports that need them. Eventually I beleive all bags will go through a CTX or similar x-ray explosive detection device once there are enough to go around.

User currently offlineJfk747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

please, airlines can't even get the bags in the right cities, let alone search all of them and match them with the pax. one step at a time

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1088 times:
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Every bag IS being screened, but the defintion of 'screening' is being changed often so as to confuse the issue.

Any of these constitutes screening:
- Large baggage X-Ray/Explosive Detection machines
- Bomb-sniffing dogs
- Manual searches
- Positive bag match

So, if an airline is 100% bag match, they don't have to go through any of the others (until 1/1/03).


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

The airlines should've done this in the early 80s! Just look what happened in 88 when one airline decided not to follow pax/bag match regualtions. Hopefully the airlines learned their lessons and the FAA will actually do it's job and start enforcing rules no if ands or buts about it!


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1072 times:

EWRVirgin, if you mean US by VS that's simply not true. Before Sept last year, the majority of both people and bags were not checked at all.
Officially because of time problems (could be partially true because of the ridiculous policy of allowing non-passengers past the checkpoint which often led to over 50% of people in the supposedly secure area being non-passengers) but mostly because of cost and lazy/noncaring/noneducated staff.

2cn, if there are only one or two machines in the luggage handling area, then that airport or airline (whoever runs the area) is criminally negligent of security. Each conveyor or door leading into and/or out of the area should have a checkpoint where each person (yes, staff too) and bag (also those carried by staff) is checked. It has been this way in most of the rest of the civilised world for decades and it's paid off.



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1062 times:

I dont understand why everyone seems to accept the bag match as an acceptable option. If we accept that the threat is from a suicide bomber, then the bag match will not do anything at all.

It amazes me that people are accepting this

Jer


User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1049 times:

Turbolet said:
Haha... there's worse than just that! Some time ago Air Malta tried to make me believe that baggage is X-rayed at Gozo Heliport... lolololololol! I'm not that stupid... I can see the conveyor from the check-in desk leads straight to the tarmac

Just for the record, Gozo heliport (GZM) is just a domestic one that feeds flights at Malta International airport. Flights are operated by an Mi-8 helicopter operated by Malta Air Charter - a subsidiary of AirMalta. There are between 5 and 10 flights a day, and MAC is the sole operator at the heliport.
Turbolet - are you sure that the bags are not screened individually by hand? There is a security presence at the heliport?
Besides when the transit bags arrive at Malta International Airport THEY WILL BE SCREENED BEFORE BEING LOADED ON TO CONNECTING INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS.
I will be making some enquiries about this and will post the details of how bags are actually screened at GZM.




User currently offlineTurbolet From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1033 times:

LMML 14/32:
Please do ask about that. There is a security presence at GZM in the shape of a soldier, but I doubt he checks checked baggage. And the message I received from Air Malta explicitly said that baggage is x-rayed at GZM.
Okay, I realize how small Gozo is and I also realize baggage is screened at MLA before loading for international flights, I'm concerned about the security of the helicopter itself. After 9/11, even a Mi-8 could be a security threat.
-turbolet


User currently offlineTurbolet From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

I must also add that not even carry-ons are x-rayed at GZM, the only means of screening is a metal detector, at least that is how it was last July when I was there last.
And LMML 14/32, regarding the treatment of checked baggage at MLA, I wonder if you've seen this letter in The Times yesterday:

Security at MIA
David Pope, Birkirkara.

I would publicly like to thank the Malta International Airport employee(s) who so caringly handled my suitcase during the 'season of goodwill to all men'.

On December 21, I caught flight KM100 to the UK to spend Christmas and New Year with my eldest daughter who is seriously ill. On arriving at my daughter's house and opening my suitcase I discovered that some items were missing. Between handling my suitcase in at about 5.30 a.m. and it being loaded onto the aircraft, someone carefully 'picked' or used a 'skeleton' key to open both padlocks on my suitcase, steal a camera, cigarettes and Christmas cards, no doubt hoping the latter would contain money.

They then secured the padlocks again so that everything appeared normal and the crime would go undetected until the owner arrived at his destination. It was definitely done in Malta as there was no time at all for the crime to be committed at Heathrow in the rapid time the luggage was unloaded and put onto the carousel.

In June 2001, I had a similar experience but put it down to rough handling as the suitcase was only half full and contained only clothes. I now believe that it too was interfered with in the same way.

My camera was wrapped in clothes in a small suitcase inside the large suitcase.

This apparent lack of security has far more sinister implications after the September 11 attacks. If someone can so easily tamper with our luggage and steal items, then they could just as easily hide a bomb inside as well. Or even plant another suitcase to be transferred at Heathrow onto another flight to the US.

So finally, if you or someone you know, was given or acquired a Halina prestige 280As 35mm camera on or around Christmas, then you probably now know how and where it was obtained from and I hope it gives you great joy.


Source: http://www.timesofmalta.com/core/article.php?id=85951
-turbolet


User currently offlineSJCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 579 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1006 times:

With all due respect buddy, if ya don't work for an airline or at the airport, don't comment on what is and what isn't being done. If they say every bag at your airport is being screened, then at one point or another, for however long, every bag is being screened- be it by dogs, machine, or employees.

SJCguy


25 Turbolet : If they say every bag at your airport is being screened, then at one point or another, for however long, every bag is being screened- be it by dogs, m
26 LMML 14/32 : Extract from Turbolet's "Quote" from newspaper It was definitely done in Malta as there was no time at all for the crime to be committed at Heathrow i
27 LMML 14/32 : ......... and who, in his right mind, would put a camera in his checked baggage?
28 Skyhawk : You would think that if someone lost something due to what they think is baggage handlers, then they would not put something as valuable as a camera i
29 Turbolet : Hey, I'm not saying I share that person's opinion, I just posted that letter here to show what people had to say about Malta International. Simple sol
30 KaiTakFan : I like what United Airlines is doing down in Sydney... Checked bag is getting searched as with all carry on bags! each time I have been down there sin
31 EWRvirgin : Jwenting, I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you or if you're misunderstanding me so let me clarify: ALL Virgin Atlantic checked luggage has been X-
32 Ryanb741 : I'm sure all UK airports check all bags. Plus the armed police presence at LHR is incredible now - I was there last week and there must have been 25 a
33 Aa777flyer : Right now it is IMPOSSIBLE to maintain the schedule of flights and CTX every bag. At best the CTX can process 200 bags per hour. Imagine a major hub s
34 Fly_ATA : This post should be called the "how to" for terrorists!! Trading stories of where you think security lacks by posting them on the internet just does n
35 Turbolet : Fly_ATA: don't you think it's better if we try to point out the defects of air security so that something can be done about them rather than being bli
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