Turbolet From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 921 times:
Haha... there's worse than just that! Some time ago Air Malta tried to make me believe that baggage is X-rayed at Gozo Heliport... lolololololol! I'm not that stupid... I can see the conveyor from the check-in desk leads straight to the tarmac
-turbolet
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1855 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 868 times:
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Come on, all the bag handlers look through all the luggage for women's underwear anyways! I think everything will be just fine
Lowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 844 times:
No, it's just a 'positive bag match'(aka corporate jargon) method that makes sure that the passenger is on the flight with the bags, which is supposed to prevent the non-suicide bombers. Suicide ones are still good as gold.
Ariegel From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 107 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 835 times:
But bags for connecting pax are not subject to bag matching, so as long as the non-suicide bomber does not board his connecting flight then we are still in trouble. Jeez, who thinks up this stuff.. Makes you thankful for all those tax dollars, doesn't it?
Jaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 804 times:
No offence to Spanish people, but in Spain, the people who are meant to be checking the hand luggage are usually haveing a cigarette, drinking or joking with each other!
I could have taken a bomb, knives and a few guns on one of my flights if I wanted to!
Co 757-300 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 319 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 797 times:
my dad left for EWR-LHR on Virgin on Wednesday and they s4earched his bag inside and out and removed all metal object such as clothes hangers, tweezers,.....ect
Jaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 788 times:
Kaddyuk, I was in Reus, and there was a load of us flying back to Teesside, and it was 6am. I think it depends where you go, how busy it is and whether the staff care or not!
EWRvirgin From United States of America, joined May 2001, 358 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 774 times:
There's no excuse for not screening every bag other than cost. For the airlines to say that its not practical and would result in delay after delay is ridiculous. It takes longer for 1 passenger to go through screening (even before 9/11) at a checkpoint handling an entire concourse of flights than it does for a bag to get properly X-rayed as it heads towards the A/C.
Exemplified by what another member posted, VS is very serious about security and without exception every bag is reconciled and is X-rayed. This was the case even before 9/11. VS has also taken other steps since then to put them at the head of the class, security-wise. Other airlines would do good to take note of this.
It's not that I'm tooting VS's horn, but I am genuinely disgusted with how slow the airlines have been to respond to the threats facing them. And its all because upper management doesn't know s**t from shinola when it comes to prioritizing. I wish I didn't have to patronize them just to go on vacation.
2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 741 times:
EWRvirgin- it is not ridiculous. Some airlines may only have one or two xray machines in the bag room at aiports, and to expect them to be able to screen each and every bag with out a delay is ridiculous. No, I am not making an excuse as to why it can't be done.. but I am explaining why it can't be done right now. The airlines do need to get moving and order more of the xray machines for the bagrooms, but it will also take the companies who manufacture the machines to be able to crank them out alot quicker then it seems they can.
AWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 704 times:
There are not enough CTX machines right now to screen all bags. Right now there are around 140 machines and over 400 airports that need them. Eventually I beleive all bags will go through a CTX or similar x-ray explosive detection device once there are enough to go around.
Flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2863 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 682 times:
Every bag IS being screened, but the defintion of 'screening' is being changed often so as to confuse the issue.
Any of these constitutes screening:
- Large baggage X-Ray/Explosive Detection machines
- Bomb-sniffing dogs
- Manual searches
- Positive bag match
So, if an airline is 100% bag match, they don't have to go through any of the others (until 1/1/03).
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 681 times:
The airlines should've done this in the early 80s! Just look what happened in 88 when one airline decided not to follow pax/bag match regualtions. Hopefully the airlines learned their lessons and the FAA will actually do it's job and start enforcing rules no if ands or buts about it!
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 21 Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 666 times:
EWRVirgin, if you mean US by VS that's simply not true. Before Sept last year, the majority of both people and bags were not checked at all.
Officially because of time problems (could be partially true because of the ridiculous policy of allowing non-passengers past the checkpoint which often led to over 50% of people in the supposedly secure area being non-passengers) but mostly because of cost and lazy/noncaring/noneducated staff.
2cn, if there are only one or two machines in the luggage handling area, then that airport or airline (whoever runs the area) is criminally negligent of security. Each conveyor or door leading into and/or out of the area should have a checkpoint where each person (yes, staff too) and bag (also those carried by staff) is checked. It has been this way in most of the rest of the civilised world for decades and it's paid off.
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 43 Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 656 times:
I dont understand why everyone seems to accept the bag match as an acceptable option. If we accept that the threat is from a suicide bomber, then the bag match will not do anything at all.
LMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2559 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 643 times:
Turbolet said: Haha... there's worse than just that! Some time ago Air Malta tried to make me believe that baggage is X-rayed at Gozo Heliport... lolololololol! I'm not that stupid... I can see the conveyor from the check-in desk leads straight to the tarmac
Just for the record, Gozo heliport (GZM) is just a domestic one that feeds flights at Malta International airport. Flights are operated by an Mi-8 helicopter operated by Malta Air Charter - a subsidiary of AirMalta. There are between 5 and 10 flights a day, and MAC is the sole operator at the heliport.
Turbolet - are you sure that the bags are not screened individually by hand? There is a security presence at the heliport?
Besides when the transit bags arrive at Malta International Airport THEY WILL BE SCREENED BEFORE BEING LOADED ON TO CONNECTING INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS.
I will be making some enquiries about this and will post the details of how bags are actually screened at GZM.
Turbolet From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 627 times:
LMML 14/32:
Please do ask about that. There is a security presence at GZM in the shape of a soldier, but I doubt he checks checked baggage. And the message I received from Air Malta explicitly said that baggage is x-rayed at GZM.
Okay, I realize how small Gozo is and I also realize baggage is screened at MLA before loading for international flights, I'm concerned about the security of the helicopter itself. After 9/11, even a Mi-8 could be a security threat.
-turbolet
Turbolet From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 625 times:
I must also add that not even carry-ons are x-rayed at GZM, the only means of screening is a metal detector, at least that is how it was last July when I was there last.
And LMML 14/32, regarding the treatment of checked baggage at MLA, I wonder if you've seen this letter in The Times yesterday:
Security at MIA
David Pope, Birkirkara.
I would publicly like to thank the Malta International Airport employee(s) who so caringly handled my suitcase during the 'season of goodwill to all men'.
On December 21, I caught flight KM100 to the UK to spend Christmas and New Year with my eldest daughter who is seriously ill. On arriving at my daughter's house and opening my suitcase I discovered that some items were missing. Between handling my suitcase in at about 5.30 a.m. and it being loaded onto the aircraft, someone carefully 'picked' or used a 'skeleton' key to open both padlocks on my suitcase, steal a camera, cigarettes and Christmas cards, no doubt hoping the latter would contain money.
They then secured the padlocks again so that everything appeared normal and the crime would go undetected until the owner arrived at his destination. It was definitely done in Malta as there was no time at all for the crime to be committed at Heathrow in the rapid time the luggage was unloaded and put onto the carousel.
In June 2001, I had a similar experience but put it down to rough handling as the suitcase was only half full and contained only clothes. I now believe that it too was interfered with in the same way.
My camera was wrapped in clothes in a small suitcase inside the large suitcase.
This apparent lack of security has far more sinister implications after the September 11 attacks. If someone can so easily tamper with our luggage and steal items, then they could just as easily hide a bomb inside as well. Or even plant another suitcase to be transferred at Heathrow onto another flight to the US.
So finally, if you or someone you know, was given or acquired a Halina prestige 280As 35mm camera on or around Christmas, then you probably now know how and where it was obtained from and I hope it gives you great joy.
SJCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 579 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 600 times:
With all due respect buddy, if ya don't work for an airline or at the airport, don't comment on what is and what isn't being done. If they say every bag at your airport is being screened, then at one point or another, for however long, every bag is being screened- be it by dogs, machine, or employees.
SJCguy
25 Turbolet: If they say every bag at your airport is being screened, then at one point or another, for however long, every bag is being screened- be it by dogs, m
26 LMML 14/32: Extract from Turbolet's "Quote" from newspaper It was definitely done in Malta as there was no time at all for the crime to be committed at Heathrow i
27 LMML 14/32: ......... and who, in his right mind, would put a camera in his checked baggage?
28 Skyhawk: You would think that if someone lost something due to what they think is baggage handlers, then they would not put something as valuable as a camera i
29 Turbolet: Hey, I'm not saying I share that person's opinion, I just posted that letter here to show what people had to say about Malta International. Simple sol
30 KaiTakFan: I like what United Airlines is doing down in Sydney... Checked bag is getting searched as with all carry on bags! each time I have been down there sin
31 EWRvirgin: Jwenting, I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you or if you're misunderstanding me so let me clarify: ALL Virgin Atlantic checked luggage has been X-
32 Ryanb741: I'm sure all UK airports check all bags. Plus the armed police presence at LHR is incredible now - I was there last week and there must have been 25 a
33 Aa777flyer: Right now it is IMPOSSIBLE to maintain the schedule of flights and CTX every bag. At best the CTX can process 200 bags per hour. Imagine a major hub s
34 Fly_ATA: This post should be called the "how to" for terrorists!! Trading stories of where you think security lacks by posting them on the internet just does n
35 Turbolet: Fly_ATA: don't you think it's better if we try to point out the defects of air security so that something can be done about them rather than being bli
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