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Do Airline CEOs Ever Consider Looks Of Aircraft?  
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40008 posts, RR: 74
Posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Well do they?
With any business, it all comes down to how much profit will an aircraft rake in against operating cost. Do any ever consider looks?
Some aircraft/livery combination is just absolutely beautiful while some look hideous!

Is it just a coincidence that the Olympic A340 is just one of the must beautiful birds in the sky? Is it a coincidence that the CO 777 is just so dull and boring on the outside?

Beautiful aircraft/livery:

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Boring aircraft/livery

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BTW, sorry if this is a repeat topic. This heading didn't come up in the search engine.  Smile


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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

I see u like that LOT -62 there hehehe  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40008 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Yes!
Why didn't you choose the IL-62 instead of the 767 for your name?  Smile



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40008 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

I hope never changes there paint scheme.


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User currently offlineLouisChenevert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

I think you have really bad taste. CO all the way.

User currently offline'Longreach' From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1537 times:


You definately have bad taste. No offence but it seems you got your beautiful/ugly headings mixed up.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40008 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

I guess some here can't answer a simple question so they insult ones taste.  Insane


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User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

I might as well insult your taste also Smile Cause your taste is pretty bad!! Even though I like the looks of just about any airplane, I think many will agree than a CO 777 looks 30 times better than that Olympic Scarebus. My votes went towards TWA's new paint but we wont be seeing them too much longer. Oh well

User currently offlineBluewhite From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

To go back to a rather inane topic, I believe a "real CEO" would consider, or more likely rubber-stamp a colour-scheme to fit in with the overall branding / image of the airline.

I cannot see them debating at length the aesthetic merits of an aircraft, over the economics of it though. IMHO, it would be worrying to work in a company led by a CEO like that.

BW


User currently offline747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2795 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Okay, people

First, Superfly - you made a response to your own post which reads, and I quote "I hope never changes there paint scheme." You might have included an airline's name in there so we know who it is you hope never changes their scheme.

Second, as everyone else said you have your uglies and your beautifuls backwards!!!

Third, the REASON Southwest changed their colors was because they got a new CEO and she said "Gee. Barf brown is ugly." So yes, it does happen.

Fourth, you do have bad taste. Continental's livery is like Saudi Arabians - simple, mellow, yet rich and flavorful, if you will. It is a very peaceful, complete, and "wholesome" looking set of colors. Professional yet casual. British Airways most people agree needs the crown back on the tail, but of all the world tails to choose to call ugly you've taken my 2nd favorite. If Chelsea Rose was up there I would be sending you hate-EMails by now (well, no I wouldn't, but...) the one you've chosen is one of the most beautiful sets of colors ever applied to an aircraft's tail. I know the name but not how to spell it, but anyway, it's an awesome paint job (or decal job as the case may be).



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User currently offlineMarara From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 678 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

Well SIA has airbus tweaking their scheme at the moment to look better on SIAs fleet (most prob. A380)


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User currently offlineAA_Cam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

I love American Airlines double exposed aluminum look. Long live the American Airlines livery!

Cam


User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

No offense, but from reading your other posts, you seem to have a grudge against CO.


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User currently offlineOD-BWH From Kuwait, joined Jan 2002, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

Well... Take a look at Sri Lankan. I wonder who designed this beautiful color scheme. Simple, yet colorful and expressive.


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Take a look at MEA as well. It's not that good, but it's still expressive as well.

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CO is not too bad, yet not too good. AA's-and this is no insult, is ugly. Looks like they ran out of paint! I love Air Canada's color.

Overall, it seems that CEO's in Asia have better taste than those in the US  Smile



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12562 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

To answer the question, I don't think they do: otherwise the 777 (which isn't a bad looking aircraft, in all fairness - and I like the CO aircraft!) would not have outsold the A340 by so much. I can just see them going airplane shopping and comparing colour schemes and shades; no, I'm afraid it's down to hard economics - cost, fuel consumption, range.

Of course, it's also said that if it looks good, it'll fly well. Aerodynamics has quite a bit to do with economics and sleekness helps. However, I have to say the A340 is the sleekest airplane in the world; most polls here put it top or in the top 2 or 3. Look at SAS, LAN, Cathay, China Airlines and SIA . . . all hugely attractive - and on the A340, a perfect combination!


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

Yes, why do you think nobody ordered the 737 for the first few years?

User currently offlineAir Orange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

This is definitely the most devaluated livery change ever! Shame over the CEO's decision. Bad taste and no own style, looks like a second hand cheap start-up airline! This is just throwing away an identity. Poor Vanguard.

But hey, I recognize this CEO's behaviour as I sometimes have to defend my designs. Finally they could overrule my designs and than I think; okay, the client means King to me... but not to every price. If an airline is pushing me to a very bad choice and design direction I will quit the order.

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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

No
Example:Bob Ayling


User currently offlineVngd4me From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Air Orange,
I have to agree that the Green-Tailed 737 above is is not my favorite design. It makes the plane look fat & stubby. BUT, on an MD-80 series Aircraft, I think Vanguard's new scheme is awesome; sleek looking and unique. It was originally designed for the MD-80's as they enter the fleet, the 737's will be phased out and I don't know of any others that will be delivered in that color scheme... I believe that the only reason the above 737 is painted the way it is, is because it was delivered after the re-branding had started. It is being called a "transition aircraft" and will remain in the fleet until the other 737's are phased out & the rest of the MD-80's arrive.

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User currently offlineCanadian747 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

I would think so... Being a hopefull airline CEO I personally think that the paint has a whole lot to say about your airline... The main reason why I'm saying that it is the way you paint your planes reflect the typ of business you do IE, If you have a wacky airline why not paint your plane a wacky color... And if you have a conservative airline paint it that boring white way!

User currently offlineSJCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 579 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

What looks professional and nice to one, doesn't to another. The satisfaction airline nuts like us get out of new and current liveries of an airline are the CEO's least worries, especially right now...

SJCguy


User currently offlineAir Orange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Agree the red one looks a bit better but the "V" initial on tailfin looks like if the CEO designed it himself in 5 minutes. The same remark counts for Midwest Express tailfin design. New Vanguard; poor and devaluated. What a pitty.

Canadian747; you hit the point. Agree!


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40008 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

Well I certainly understand what a CEOs priorities are. But man, you guys are harsh! Big grin


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User currently offlineRuuxxv From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

Air Orange,
I respectfully disagree. I don't particularly care for the green 737, but all the MD80's, especially the maroon one, look great. I can't wait to see the new colors in person. I know they'll be great.



User currently offlineAir Orange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Poor livery: BMIBaby. Read the latest thread of Skippy777 elsewhere in this forum "BMIBaby official livery". How low can the airlines' CEO's can go. Very poor performance!

User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 25, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1176 times:

747-600X said:

"Third, the REASON Southwest changed their colors was because they got a new CEO and she said "Gee. Barf brown is ugly." So yes, it does happen. "

Not quite correct. The old CEO announced the change in color and the FIRST CEO (Lamar Muse) said at the last shareholders meeting that he took away the thunder of every new CEO, who always seems to change the color of the planes. FWIW, the new CEO is a also guy.


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