Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38514 posts, RR: 80 Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1168 times:
Well do they?
With any business, it all comes down to how much profit will an aircraft rake in against operating cost. Do any ever consider looks?
Some aircraft/livery combination is just absolutely beautiful while some look hideous!
Is it just a coincidence that the Olympic A340 is just one of the must beautiful birds in the sky? Is it a coincidence that the CO 777 is just so dull and boring on the outside?
TrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 765 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 933 times:
I might as well insult your taste also Cause your taste is pretty bad!! Even though I like the looks of just about any airplane, I think many will agree than a CO 777 looks 30 times better than that Olympic Scarebus. My votes went towards TWA's new paint but we wont be seeing them too much longer. Oh well
Bluewhite From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 330 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 921 times:
To go back to a rather inane topic, I believe a "real CEO" would consider, or more likely rubber-stamp a colour-scheme to fit in with the overall branding / image of the airline.
I cannot see them debating at length the aesthetic merits of an aircraft, over the economics of it though. IMHO, it would be worrying to work in a company led by a CEO like that.
747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 915 times:
Okay, people
First, Superfly - you made a response to your own post which reads, and I quote "I hope never changes there paint scheme." You might have included an airline's name in there so we know who it is you hope never changes their scheme.
Second, as everyone else said you have your uglies and your beautifuls backwards!!!
Third, the REASON Southwest changed their colors was because they got a new CEO and she said "Gee. Barf brown is ugly." So yes, it does happen.
Fourth, you do have bad taste. Continental's livery is like Saudi Arabians - simple, mellow, yet rich and flavorful, if you will. It is a very peaceful, complete, and "wholesome" looking set of colors. Professional yet casual. British Airways most people agree needs the crown back on the tail, but of all the world tails to choose to call ugly you've taken my 2nd favorite. If Chelsea Rose was up there I would be sending you hate-EMails by now (well, no I wouldn't, but...) the one you've chosen is one of the most beautiful sets of colors ever applied to an aircraft's tail. I know the name but not how to spell it, but anyway, it's an awesome paint job (or decal job as the case may be).
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747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 890 times:
No offense, but from reading your other posts, you seem to have a grudge against CO.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11958 posts, RR: 37 Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 854 times:
To answer the question, I don't think they do: otherwise the 777 (which isn't a bad looking aircraft, in all fairness - and I like the CO aircraft!) would not have outsold the A340 by so much. I can just see them going airplane shopping and comparing colour schemes and shades; no, I'm afraid it's down to hard economics - cost, fuel consumption, range.
Of course, it's also said that if it looks good, it'll fly well. Aerodynamics has quite a bit to do with economics and sleekness helps. However, I have to say the A340 is the sleekest airplane in the world; most polls here put it top or in the top 2 or 3. Look at SAS, LAN, Cathay, China Airlines and SIA . . . all hugely attractive - and on the A340, a perfect combination!
Air Orange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 830 times:
This is definitely the most devaluated livery change ever! Shame over the CEO's decision. Bad taste and no own style, looks like a second hand cheap start-up airline! This is just throwing away an identity. Poor Vanguard.
But hey, I recognize this CEO's behaviour as I sometimes have to defend my designs. Finally they could overrule my designs and than I think; okay, the client means King to me... but not to every price. If an airline is pushing me to a very bad choice and design direction I will quit the order.
Vngd4me From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 785 times:
Air Orange,
I have to agree that the Green-Tailed 737 above is is not my favorite design. It makes the plane look fat & stubby. BUT, on an MD-80 series Aircraft, I think Vanguard's new scheme is awesome; sleek looking and unique. It was originally designed for the MD-80's as they enter the fleet, the 737's will be phased out and I don't know of any others that will be delivered in that color scheme... I believe that the only reason the above 737 is painted the way it is, is because it was delivered after the re-branding had started. It is being called a "transition aircraft" and will remain in the fleet until the other 737's are phased out & the rest of the MD-80's arrive.
Canadian747 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 197 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 784 times:
I would think so... Being a hopefull airline CEO I personally think that the paint has a whole lot to say about your airline... The main reason why I'm saying that it is the way you paint your planes reflect the typ of business you do IE, If you have a wacky airline why not paint your plane a wacky color... And if you have a conservative airline paint it that boring white way!
SJCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 579 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 759 times:
What looks professional and nice to one, doesn't to another. The satisfaction airline nuts like us get out of new and current liveries of an airline are the CEO's least worries, especially right now...
Air Orange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 734 times:
Agree the red one looks a bit better but the "V" initial on tailfin looks like if the CEO designed it himself in 5 minutes. The same remark counts for Midwest Express tailfin design. New Vanguard; poor and devaluated. What a pitty.
Ruuxxv From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 67 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 649 times:
Air Orange,
I respectfully disagree. I don't particularly care for the green 737, but all the MD80's, especially the maroon one, look great. I can't wait to see the new colors in person. I know they'll be great.
Air Orange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 623 times:
Poor livery: BMIBaby. Read the latest thread of Skippy777 elsewhere in this forum "BMIBaby official livery". How low can the airlines' CEO's can go. Very poor performance!
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 19 Reply 25, posted (11 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 601 times:
747-600X said:
"Third, the REASON Southwest changed their colors was because they got a new CEO and she said "Gee. Barf brown is ugly." So yes, it does happen. "
Not quite correct. The old CEO announced the change in color and the FIRST CEO (Lamar Muse) said at the last shareholders meeting that he took away the thunder of every new CEO, who always seems to change the color of the planes. FWIW, the new CEO is a also guy.
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