Too low From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 55 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2877 times:
As of 30 March AF will stop the flight CDG-SXM (ST MARTEEN)-SDQ-CDG that was flown with a B747.
There will be 2 different, direct flights from CDG to SXM and SDQ. And unfortunately the plane to SXM will be a A343. Does A340 have enough thrust to make a TKOF from SXM for an non-stop flight to CDG ?
Ptica2000 From Slovenia, joined Nov 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2652 times:
Uf, A340??? Yes, how is it going to make the takeoff? With an extra four rocket engines and additional 10 tonnes of fuel. Takeoff will probably look like a takeoff from Düsseldorf. Full throtle and brakes. When N1=TO release the brakes and wait 40s to reach Vr. Then rotate it at the last 100 feet of the runway.
If A340 takes of over the beach of the SXM, the visitors and spotters will be grilled like meat on the grill by the engine blast.
AirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2609 times:
It will definately be sad to see the AF B747's not flying over the famous Mahe (I think thats how you spell it) beach, on final approach to SXM. However, the choice to replace the flight with a A-340 seems to stem from the fact that the SDQ flight will be operated with a B747.
Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2600 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2472 times:
Don't forget the airliners.net "experts" know far more about the A340 and it's performance capabilities out of St Maarten than it's operator, Air France.
It's more than likely Air France haven't even considered performance restrictions on the A340 at SXM, and when the flights begin they will be forced to make technical stops or leave passengers and cargon behind.
Red faces all round for Air France because of their poor planning and lack of knowledge, but the airliners.net "experts" will have been proved correct!
Large airlines have entire route planning and performance departments to check that a particular aircraft is capable of operating a particular route, profitably. Give them some credit.
Wingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2289 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2476 times:
The word around AF is that no one is sure whether the 340 will be able to take off. But they've decided to test the outer limits of the aircraft with a full load of pax and cargo. It's refreshing to see a little risk being taken in this industry and I for one applaud the daring nature of the French. Bravo mon amis!
CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4791 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
I've yet to see a more ridiculous post on this board. Do you really believe that Air France would change to an aircraft that is unsafe for the runway? The A340-300 is a slow climber, but that doesn't say anything about takeoff distance. The Bae 146 is a very slow climber but has a short takeoff roll.
Luftaom From Australia, joined May 1999, 427 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2303 times:
You have failed to even realise that a flight of less than 9 hrs is nothing even approaching a long haul for an A340. Someone who protests to being as old as you do, should have some more sence, and not post such utter rubbish.
BA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2179 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2231 times:
Please forgive me for this, but i've gotta say it:
You know there was all the people on the beach who got blown into the sea (theres a video somewhere), well when AF uses the 343 on this route, that wont happen anymore, i bet they're all gonna be really annoyed about that, bcoz thats all the go there for
ChrisKSDF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2137 times:
The KLM and Corsair 747 departures will give us more than ample opportunities to dodge the flying rocks/sand on the beach.
Also note that the runway at SXM is so close to the beach area that it doesn't take a 747 to feel the full effects of the jetblast. I couldn't get up the nerve to stand behind a 747, but I did stand behind an AA 757 on departure and the experience was exhilirating!