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Bad News : AF Will Fly To SXM With A340  
User currently offlineToo low From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 55 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2877 times:

As of 30 March AF will stop the flight CDG-SXM (ST MARTEEN)-SDQ-CDG that was flown with a B747.

There will be 2 different, direct flights from CDG to SXM and SDQ. And unfortunately the plane to SXM will be a A343. Does A340 have enough thrust to make a TKOF from SXM for an non-stop flight to CDG ?  Big grin

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User currently offline777kicksass From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2000, 668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2780 times:

Seriously I doubt that a 343 laden with holiday makers could get off a 7,000 odd foot runway let alone a 13,000 foot one!!

User currently offlineToo Low From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2746 times:

However !

Air France
AF 3668 Charles De Gaulle (CDG), Paris, France 10:20
St Maarten (SXM), St Maarten, Netherlands Antilles 13:05
Non-stop 343
8h45min

Air France
AF 3661 St Maarten (SXM), St Maarten, Netherlands Antilles 16:20
Charles De Gaulle (CDG), Paris, France 06:25 + 1 day(s)
Non-stop 343
8h05min


Too Low


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2716 times:

Well at least it's not a 777.  Smile


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User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3121 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2701 times:
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That A340 will make for some nice photos.

User currently offlineAOMlover From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 1305 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2695 times:

GREAT !!! A340 !!!!
Does this mean that AF is going to improve the service to Carribean ???


User currently offlinePtica2000 From Slovenia, joined Nov 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2652 times:

Uf, A340??? Yes, how is it going to make the takeoff? With an extra four rocket engines and additional 10 tonnes of fuel. Takeoff will probably look like a takeoff from Düsseldorf. Full throtle and brakes. When N1=TO release the brakes and wait 40s to reach Vr. Then rotate it at the last 100 feet of the runway.

If A340 takes of over the beach of the SXM, the visitors and spotters will be grilled like meat on the grill by the engine blast.

Nejc


User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3154 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2632 times:
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We've seen so many 747 pics from SXM, I think it's a nice change, and the A340 will surely look very sexy on approach to SXM (maybe even more than the beach babes)!

Konstantin



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User currently offlineAirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2609 times:

It will definately be sad to see the AF B747's not flying over the famous Mahe (I think thats how you spell it) beach, on final approach to SXM. However, the choice to replace the flight with a A-340 seems to stem from the fact that the SDQ flight will be operated with a B747.

User currently offlineKL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 771 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2563 times:

which airlines are now over operating a 747 into SXM?? only KLM?? or more airlines??


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User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

KL713.........Crossair uses the 747 into SXM


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User currently offlineRoyalDutch From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 917 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Dragon-Wings - I belive you mean Corsair? A Crossair 747, now that would be a nice one!  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Thanks for the correction RoyalDutch........yes I ment Corsair  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineAFC_ajax00 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

You guys seriously think an airline like AF (or any airline for that matter) would use an A340 if it wasnt able to make the take-off?


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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2600 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2472 times:
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AFC_ajax00

Don't forget the airliners.net "experts" know far more about the A340 and it's performance capabilities out of St Maarten than it's operator, Air France.

It's more than likely Air France haven't even considered performance restrictions on the A340 at SXM, and when the flights begin they will be forced to make technical stops or leave passengers and cargon behind.

Red faces all round for Air France because of their poor planning and lack of knowledge, but the airliners.net "experts" will have been proved correct!

Large airlines have entire route planning and performance departments to check that a particular aircraft is capable of operating a particular route, profitably. Give them some credit.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2289 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

The word around AF is that no one is sure whether the 340 will be able to take off. But they've decided to test the outer limits of the aircraft with a full load of pax and cargo. It's refreshing to see a little risk being taken in this industry and I for one applaud the daring nature of the French. Bravo mon amis!

User currently offlineAFC_ajax00 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

Crosswinds, you think that AF will put +/- 300 pax lives on the line everytime they fly to SXM with the A340? I really have a hard time believing that


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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4791 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

I've yet to see a more ridiculous post on this board. Do you really believe that Air France would change to an aircraft that is unsafe for the runway? The A340-300 is a slow climber, but that doesn't say anything about takeoff distance. The Bae 146 is a very slow climber but has a short takeoff roll.

User currently offlineHkg_clk From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Can't wait to see a pic of an AF 340 at SXM! If anyone takes one, please upload asap!


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User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

The best would be if AF would use all they have on that route: A330, A340, 747, 767 and 777... Then I guess everybody would be happy since that would offer many nice pictures to be taken...

I wanna go there once!

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Max
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User currently offlineLuftaom From Australia, joined May 1999, 427 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Bravo Wingman,

You have failed to even realise that a flight of less than 9 hrs is nothing even approaching a long haul for an A340. Someone who protests to being as old as you do, should have some more sence, and not post such utter rubbish.


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

There should be some nice approach shots! Is this a new aircraft to SXM,not just from AF? Of all the SXM pic's in here,I don't remember seeing a A340 or A330. Someday I'll go there!

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User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2179 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Please forgive me for this, but i've gotta say it:

You know there was all the people on the beach who got blown into the sea (theres a video somewhere), well when AF uses the 343 on this route, that wont happen anymore, i bet they're all gonna be really annoyed about that, bcoz thats all the go there for  Wink/being sarcastic

Well, thats only why i'd go  Wink/being sarcastic

BA777  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineChrisKSDF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

The KLM and Corsair 747 departures will give us more than ample opportunities to dodge the flying rocks/sand on the beach. Big grin

Also note that the runway at SXM is so close to the beach area that it doesn't take a 747 to feel the full effects of the jetblast. I couldn't get up the nerve to stand behind a 747, but I did stand behind an AA 757 on departure and the experience was exhilirating!


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