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AirTran's Next Move.. Well Future Actually?  
User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Where do you think AirTran's next couple of cities will be? Do you think they're looking into smaller cities (since Rochester was just added)?
It looks like BWI is going to become a profitable market from them... Will AirTran move out of ATL as hub, and possibly into BWI. Having both as hub's seems unwise since they're so close together.

Also, AirTran has stayed for the most part in the Eastern 1/3rd of the country. I'm sure they'll eventually move west, but any ideas when and where?

LOL... a lot of questions.. I really like AirTran and would love to see them suceed even more so...
I guess in general, what do you foresee as AirTran's future?

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User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

I've heard TUL, but I expect more growing in the east for a little bit. Some more point-point stuff, and a couple new airports, maybe IND or CLT.

User currently offline5280AGL From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

I think they really need to start new service to some midwest cities (west of the Mississippi). Markets like MCI, OMA, and COS would be a great start. They have virtually no presence West of the Mississippi, tapping into that resource would hardly be a bad move.

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

5280GL, why don't you tell that to Midway.

airTran has a deal with the state of Florida to provide new intra-Florida routes, so definitley look for those. My money is on MIA-PNS.



a.
User currently offlineDeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

I believe COS would be a good market since Vanguard and Great Plains moved in there!!


Thanks and Gig Em!
User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1095 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

I don't imagine they would abandon Atlanta as a hub, that is their bread and butter. They will be using BWI for it's O & D as well as connecting service.

User currently offlineHoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

A 717 or DC9 can only go so far from ATL or PIT. Colorado is impossible given the range of these jets. Food for thought.

User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Man4546... MIA - PNS sounds reasonable, and perhaps likely (with that deal). I mean, US has PNS - TPA..
DL has PNS - MCO... so AirTran's PNS - MCO wouldn't be too bad.

I've taken the TPA - PNS flight several times, and I talked to about 3 people who were coming from MIA (this is only one about 3 or 4 flights) and I know some people who live in PNS who travel to MIA frequently for business, and hate traveling to ATL / TPA / MCO to connect.


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6203 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

They should think of doing a MIA-MCO route, yes they would face a lot of competition but the fares on this route are outrageous. We need a low fare carrier on that route.
Chepos



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineDeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

If they connected from Atlanta to Colorado Springs via Dallas/Fort Worth or Houston (existing cities operated by AirTran) I think it would provide competition with American, Delta, and Continental. And with their low fares it might be more appealing to customers, than jacked up fares on American and Delta.


Thanks and Gig Em!
User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

>>A 717 or DC9 can only go so far from ATL or PIT. Colorado is impossible given the range of these jets. Food for thought.<<

More food for thought: the 717 can fly nonstop ATL-COS/DEN, but not ATL-LAS. It can barely do BWI-DEN/COS, maybe with a slight weight penalty.


User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Couldn't a B717 (AirTran's more specifically) make it from ATL to DEN while still meeting the FAA requirements for landing requirements etc...

User currently offlineDeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Very true, they could just run Non-Stops from ATL if they wanted to. COS I think would provide ample revenue if they tried it!


Thanks and Gig Em!
User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3386 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

anyone know what airtran will be doing at PHL. will they drop routes due to its relative short distance from BWI. will they keep the 4 gates at phl they had planned to used in a month or so?

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

Jcxp15, two of USAirway's TPA-PNS flights originate in Miami. I still find it just ridiculous that there is no non-stop service on the route. Miami in general lacks Florida flights (even though MIA-MCO and MIA-TPA are the #1 and #2 regional routes in the US), one large reason is American Eagle's reluctance to serve the intra-Florida market well (they serve MIA-TPA and MIA-MCO well; in fact AA has mainline MIA-TPA/MCO service; but others are lacking). MIA has no jet service/first class service to JAX, which is disgraceful, and pretty sad that the only jet service between Miami and Jacksonville is on Southwest.

Chepos, I am almost positive airTran did MIA-MCO until last spring.



a.
User currently offlineBonanzaFunjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Remember Airtran is looking for an aircraft with legs. They will look west when they have all they want in the east. Look for JAX-MIA, SYR, and ICT. All will have travel banks involved.

BonanzaFunjet


User currently offlineDeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

AirTran could most definently fly non-stop flights from ATL-COS, or ATL-DEN flights.


Thanks and Gig Em!
User currently offlineDeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

Why would AirTran move to ICT in the future, when it has been proven COS, and DEN have been more profitable markets. And please don't tell me "It's underserved"!


Thanks and Gig Em!
User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

I heard a very interesting story from a very very well placed source in BMI, where Air Tran has been for a few years. BMI recently lost service to Denver. There is also been considerable talk there of perhaps a BMI-BWI flight. That part of Illinois can use some direct service to the east, mainly the DC/BWI area. There has also been some talk of doing a BWI-BMI-Denver flight, for the reasons that were outlined above. Also it would be able to quickly get and in out of BMI, making it more competitive to other nonstop BWI-Denver flights.

User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

I don't think Boeing is exactly ready to move forward with a 717-300. So, if AirTran is ready to expand west, what aircraft do you think they should use? Although, I think they should concentrate on markets that have been severely curtailed by their larger piers, I think they should remain somewhat conservative for the time being, given the depressed state of affairs in the air travel industry right now.

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Y'all tell me what you think about this. How about AUS?

For one thing, we have two vacant gates, Gate 25 and the old TWA gate, Gate 3. Plus, Vanguard is currently at Gate 24 and if they were to move down to Gate 3 it would actually be a LOT closer to their ticket counter. Then that would leave Gates 24 and 25 vacant.

Delta has a monopoly on the AUS-ATL flights, so let AirTran do a few of those. Also, NO airline flies AUS-MSY or AUS-FLL/MIA nonstop, so if AirTran were to do those they'd have a monopoly. Or maybe they could even do AUS-MSY-FLL. Used to be, nobody flew AUS-MCI nonstop, then Vanguard came to AUS. I thought I had read earlier (in this forum) that their loads weren't too good, yet I see where they added a third AUS-MCI last month. Maybe AirTran could have the same success with MSY and FLL.

Also, if they wanted to get sneaky, they could also do one nonstop each AUS-MCO and AUS-TPA. Right now, Southwest has the only nonstops to MCO and TPA and they just have 1 per day. From AUS, they have a 5:55 p.m. departure to TPA and a 8:30 p.m. departure to MCO. If AirTran were to serve those city-pairs, they'd probably want to have a morning or midday departure to TPA & MCO to complement Southwest's schedule, much like their new Florida service out of BWI will do.

Coming back to AUS, Southwest's nonstops depart TPA at 7:20 a.m. and MCO at 3:20 p.m., so AirTran could do an afternoon/evening flight from TPA and and maybe a mid-morning flight from MCO.

I would actually like to see AirTran and Southwest pair up in more cities. Southwest serving some destinations, and AirTran serving other cities where Southwest doesn't fly. I think if AirTran and Southwest don't try to compete with each other too much, they can both do real damage to the other big guys' yields. All it takes is 1 low-fare carrier in a city-pair to cause the big guys to have to match prices.

And for all the above reasons, I think those same cities would work for SAT should AirTran decide to go there. Just my 2 cents.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

BTW - How are they doing with their service to Grand Isle?

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

There were rumors that AirTran is interested in serving DEN or COS. Not sure from where though....

I also heard MCI.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

>>I am almost positive airTran did MIA-MCO until last spring.<<

Nope, they haven't. I looked in all my timetables from 1999-2001, and they never flew that route.

>>Why would AirTran move to ICT in the future, when it has been proven COS, and DEN have been more profitable markets. And please don't tell me "It's underserved"!<<

ICT slowly expands their presence in the West, plus there will be a travel bank sitting there waiting for them when they come in. A travel bank makes it a low-risk venture for them, whereas DEN/COS is farther west and much higher risk without a travel bank.


User currently offlineBonanzaFunjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Why would AirTran move to ICT in the future, when it has been proven COS, and DEN have been more profitable markets. And please don't tell me "It's underserved"!


ICT seems to think that they are "underserved". The city is trying to get three, count them three, lowfare airlines to start service there. Frontier, ATA, and Airtran have all been approached to serve ICT with each getting a $5m travel bank. The money is slow to come in, but Airtran is said to have an estimated 40% of all funds collected so far.

http://www.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=CpeER0aicv0KTquLsluzbuKu&FQ=airlines&Nav=na-search-&StoryTitle=airlines

BonanzaFunjet


25 Post contains images JonPaulGeoRngo : LoneStar, Any reasonable person (like you and I ) has to figure that San Antonio and Austin are both very high on AirTran's list if for no other reaso
26 BestWestern : Ive heard a RIC hub mentioned many times recently. In this way they will attack the Washington catchment area from both sides, whilst benefiting from
27 Me : I don't think anyone knows where AirTrans next city will be, including AirTran management. I'm sure management has spoken with every mid/large sized c
28 Rj777 : 5280AGL, I agree that Air Tran should start service to Omaha. I live there myself, and the last time we got a new airline was when Midwest Express mad
29 Travatl : As for Western expansion...this has been the source of MUCH speculation during the 6+ years I've worked here. DEN or COS have been off and on the boar
30 BA : AirTran gonna get Airbuses, ehhh? It will be interesting to find out. There livery on the A319/A320 would look pretty good. Regards
31 767-332ER : I don't see them moving out of ATL. MCO might be a better idea.
32 Usairways85 : i agree the phl-pit route wont stay around much longer, airtran already reduced it to 2 flights daily as of april, it will probably be discontinued by
33 JmhLUV2fly : As far as service to PNS, I think in time it would be marketable for AirTran to begin nonstop flights MCO-PNS or TPA-PNS also DFW-PNS. These markets w
34 Mah4546 : JmhLUV2fly, airTran does fly to DFW. DFW-ATL and they used to fly DFW-GPT. PNS-MCO/TPA could work, but PNS-MIA would be so much better. Unlike MCO and
35 FlyPNS1 : MAH4546, though I would love for Airtran to start PNS-MIA, I have my doubts. PNS has begged American for years to start this route and AA has always s
36 Mah4546 : FlyPNS, American hates the intra-Florida routes, that's why. They dropped APF and SRQ last year. They do very well, and offer mainline service as well
37 JmhLUV2fly : I figured someone would catch what I said about AirTran's DFW service. I realized after I clicked the submit butten that I should have clarified. If y
38 Boeingfan : JmhLUV2fly I wish Air Tran flew DFW PNS too. AA used to use F 100's on the route. The route was a dog out of DFW (no revenue.) Atlantic Southeast and
39 MAH4546 : Boeingfan, American Airlines flies A300s between Miami and Orlando. United flies 757s between the same pair. Delta recently introduced mainline 757 se
40 Travatl : JMH - Yes, the C Concourse Jetbridges are the same Eastern used, and can all accommodate the A320-family aircraft. However, I was referring to the gat
41 Flyer732 : OK...now let me tell you all about AirTran's plans. Right now we have no plans for a "large" aircraft...possibly down the road a 737NG could come in,
42 EA CO AS : I'd be very surprised to see any Airbus Industrie aircraft on the property. AirTran has developed a good relationship with Boeing, and would more than
43 Srbmod : With American's decision to retire the TWA 717s, AirTran could be the first airline to be contacted about these aircraft. With 30 of these aircraft to
44 Flyer732 : 747firstclass, The 717 can't do BWI-DEN nonstop. That is why there is not an ATL-DEN right now. We need somewhere to stop. (Think of the summer with a
45 Usairways85 : right now i am guessing airtran will steadily increase operations at bwi. i think they will end up switching the pit-mdw flights to bwi-mdw, maybe swi
46 Jcxp15 : How much of their operations will they move to BWI. Some routes from BWI just don't make sense (like BWI - PNS). But would it be profitable for them t
47 JonPaulGeoRngo : Let's get serious for a moment...AirTran isn't going to go "hog wild" at BWI. They will have a healthy operation at BWI, however butting heads with So
48 Travatl : The ATL hub is busting at the seams right now. A secondary hub is exactly what AirTran needs right now to ensure future growth. BWI fills that need as
49 Flyer732 : Plans are to have BWI as a new crew base. NOT replacing ATL, but just a second crew base. BWI will be more than huge, anticipate more than 100 flights
50 Fjnovak1 : This is far far into the future, but I always thought that Sacramento would make a nice west coast hub for a low-fare carrier. Alaska and Horizon seem
51 Flyer732 : When I go to work on Monday, I'll call Tommy Kalil and tell him to start a hub in SMF, and to get some RJ's. All because you people told me that that
52 N509JB : AirTran flies to MLI and flies MYR but they do not provide nonstop service between the two which would, I feel be smart. And TLH to Greensboro/Winston
53 Flyinryan99 : Here in TOL, I'd like to see TOL - BWI at least 1 flight a day with a connection to BOS and MCO. Just simply because we don't have very good northeast
54 Gsoflyer : Hey N509JB, what exactly did this mean? "And TLH to Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point/Low Point/Ting-Tang/Wallawalla/Bing-Bang/Schomalama/Ding-Dong/
55 JonPaulGeoRngo : >>BWI will be more than huge, anticipate more than 100 flights by the end of the summer... Not likely at all...the June 1 schedule shows about 20 or s
56 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : GSOFlyer: Hey N509JB, what exactly did this mean? "And TLH to Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point/Low Point/Ting-Tang/Wallawalla/Bing-Bang/Schomalama/
57 HlywdCatft : Will AirTran move out of ATL as hub, and possibly into BWI. Having both as hub's seems unwise since they're so close together. So close together? Balt
58 Post contains images Gsoflyer : Oh, I was referring to the TLH part Actually, DCARocGuy, the official name of the airport for years was Greensboro/High Point, and for a while was Gre
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