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Its Official That Bwia Will Be Getting Two A340's  
User currently offlineBWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 922 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Hey all you BWIA fans.

Its great news to my hears and for many of you all that it is certain that BWIA will be getting two fatastic Airbus A340-300 aircraft from the ILFC. Even though Slawko has mentioned this earlier, I would like to confirm its absolutely true because there has been soo much speculation over the past years.

I cant wait to see these birds in BWIA's new livery.

Best Regards,


Here is the news article.

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User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2318 times:

150 A340-313X 11/19/96 C-FYKX
154 A340-313X 12/19/96 C-FYKZ
167 A340-313X 03/27/97 C-FYLC
170 A340-313X 04/29/97 C-FYLD STAR ALLIANCE
175 A340-313X 05/28/97 C-FYLG
179 A340-313X 05/30/97 C-FYLU
273 A340-313X 06/02/99 C-GDVW
278 A340-313X 06/28/99 C-GDVZ

C-FTNQ and C-FTNP air going to Air Jamaica so which of the above aircraft will go to BWIA ?

User currently offlineBWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2308 times:



Those are the two going to BWIA not Air Jamaica. It says FIN908 C-GDVV is going to Air Jamaica though I where is Air Jamaica's other A340 coming from if they are returning the current one?



Check the Canadian Aviation News

User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

Wonder why they went with the A340-300s

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

They are being replaced by A340-500 / 600's.

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Maybe the airline doesn't need 100 extra seats on the A346???

User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

From Canadian Aviation News:

Air Canada has taken one of the 747-475s (FIN381 C-GMWW) out of storage at Vancouver and flown it to Singapore for a heavy maintenance check prior to its re-entering service with the airline. All seven 747-400s will be in use this summer due to the fact that three of the A340-300s are being returned to the lessor. One of them has already been taken out of the fleet to be prepared for a lease to Air Jamaica (FIN908 C-GDVV) and two more A340s are being returned to ILFC for onward lease to B.W.I.A. These will be the early model A340-313s (C-FTNQ/C-FTNP FIN981/982). This will leave nine A340s flying this summer on long-haul routes, seven 747-400s, and eight A330-300s. The A340-300 (FIN908 C-GDVV) was flown to Montreal on 16th of January with just the name and logo sanded out on the fuselage, but still in basic Air Canada colours. It will undergo a 30-day maintenance check there before being handed back to ILFC/Air Jamaica.

User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

What I wonder is why did they choose the 340 instead of a 300 or 310, or even the 767? Does B-Wee really think they need so much aircraft?
Not critisizing... just wondering.

User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

That will finally put matters to rest. As for why an Airbus rather than a Boeing, it was mentioned some time ago by someone else that the A340-300 has some engine commonality with the 737-800 (ie CFM 56 plants) thus reducing the overall number of types which BW will have to work on in the future. So BW and JM will have A340s - very interesting indeed. The only shared type at present is the MD83 and JM has planned to dispense with its 2 in favour of more A320s.

So AC is cutting back its A340-300 fleet and consolidating on the 747-400s and the remaining wide-body Airbuses. It makes some sense seeing that the newer, larger 'Buses will come on stream in the next few years.

As far as BW's numbers go, they need 2 longhaul planes given the long runs that they are called upon on a daily basis.


Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

($b = Trinidad $)

BWIA hunts for $b planes
By Juhel Browne (Trinidad Guardian)

At a time of staff cutbacks, national carrier BWIA West Indies Airways
taken steps to lease two new planes for a possible maximum price of $1
billion (US$180 million). This is not a done deal, however, says the
airline which has denied a report by the International Lease Finance
Corporation (ILFC) that it has already acquired the planes. On January
ILFC announced on its web site that BWIA had dry-leased two Airbus
A340-300s-MSN 88 and 93- for five years. ILFC, which leases aircraft to
airlines around the world, also stated the planes are scheduled for
delivery to BWIA in June and November. But Clint Williams, BWIA's
of corporate communications, last Thursday dismissed the ILFC report.
my knowledge a final decision has not been made and approved by the
Williams said. BWIA chief executive officer Conrad Aleong has written a
strong note to the ILFC condemning its announcement, he disclosed.

Williams did confirm BWIA has been actively pursuing the acquisition of
aircraft to replace two of its three ageing Lockheed L-1011 TriStars. A
committee of BWIA executives is leading the search for the planes. In
February edition of BWIA's in-flight magazine Caribbean Beat, Aleong
the airline expects to pay between US$144 million (TT$904 million) to
US$180 million (TT$1.1 billion) for the two planes. "There's no showroom
where you can pick out a new US$90 million (TT$565 million) aircraft or
slightly used one for US$72 million (TT$452 million) - that's roughly
we expect to pay for each of the two new, almost new, aircraft we will
deploying on the London route," Aleong wrote in his column.

Despite the conflicting reports about the acquisition, an industry
said BWIA is now in advanced negotiations with ILFC. The source said
wants to acquire two five-year-old Airbus Industrie A340-313s, different
models to the ones the ILFC said the airline had obtained. The A340-313
aircraft, now registered as C-FTNP and C-FTNQ, were formerly flown by
Canada. Air Canada will return three of the 12 A340s it leased back to
ILFC. One of these, the source said, is now being prepared for lease to
Air Jamaica while the other two are expected to go to BWIA. The source
BWIA should receive the aircraft by September or October and not June
November as the ILFC stated.

The new aircraft are meant to reduce the fuel and maintenance costs
incurred by the L-1011s. BWIA insists the purchases, if completed during
the restructuring exercise, will not contradict its cost cutting
BWIA's plan is not only to cut costs but also to find methods and
that will improve its efficiency and revenue earning ability. "A
restructuring exercise is not just a witch hunt to find people to fire,"
Williams said. "It would be premature to answer questions when we have
made a final decision." But premature is how Curtis John, acting
of the Aviation Communication & Allied Workers Union (ACAWU) described
BWIA's plan to buy any aircraft at this time. "If you are restructuring
people going to lose their jobs, now is not the right time to purchase
these aircraft," John said.

He did not disagree with the need for BWIA to replace the L-1011s.
John said the purchase of any aircraft, when BWIA says it has to reduce
staff, raises suspicions about the airline's true financial state. BWIA
has been looking for two new planes long before September 11, Williams
said. The airline had stated that its revenues and passengers loads have
decreased since the terrorist attacks in the United States. BWIA too
to return two MD-83s, to their leasing company, as it reduces flights as
well. The MD-83s normally ply BWIA's regional routes. John said the
airline's executives stated that US$3 million (TT$19 million) of BWIA's
revenue was already dedicated for the refurbishing of the L-1011s. "If
are doing a restructuring programme, you refurbish the L-1011s and when
are finished with your restructuring then purchase new aircraft," he
If BWIA has millions to purchase the aircraft, train and equip the
departments for their operation, John believed the airline can then
to keep its staff. "The company doesn't have valid reasons for sending

-with reporting by Vernon Khelawan, Antigua Sun

` Yeaah! Baade 152! Trabi of the Sky! '
User currently offlineBiggles313 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (14 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

the A340-200/300 is a common replacement/upgrade for previous operators of the 1011-500. Air Lanka, Air Canada and TAP are good examples of how this has been done before.

BWIA have been talking about getting 340s for quite a while. Seems they just haven't had enough money to buy them, and so end up putting a small fortune into keeping their battered L1011s in service.

Of all L1011 operators, I think it's fair to say that BWIA is the one that got its money's worth!!! They have been solidly flying TT-LHR etc every day for over 20 years!

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3804 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (14 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

I think that BWIA is having trouble getting an ETOPS certificate taht would make twin ops from trinidad to europe efficient and cost effective, and so the quad would eliminate the need for etops, and costs around the same price as a new 330 to lease.

"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

Seems the folks down there at BWIA need to get their s*** together and make up their minds about what the heck they're gonna do..... and do it right.
Why condemn ILFC for stating they're getting planes? It's as though they don't wanna look bad for laying-off staff while aquiring planes.
Oh, BWIA..... sigh

User currently offlineFleet service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (14 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

Those BWIA L-1011's were the worst! We used to hate doing that flight when AA handled them at Kennedy.

Nothing worked,you had to push every single can full of those huge stinking bags.

Hopefully they'll keep the 340's in better shape.

Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
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