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Which Foreign Airlines Have US-to-Canada Routes?  
User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

which foreign airlines CURRENTLY have
US-to-Canada routes? (with local traffic
rights, which allows you to fly only
between US/Canada without continuing
to a point outside of North America)

Not including US and Canadian air
carriers, of course...

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User currently offlineIbizajet A330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Philippine Airlines Does operate Vancouver to San Francisco Flights Operates as MNL-YVR-SFO-MNL

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34614 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

Cathay Pacific fly Vancouver-JFK. Prior to 9/11 they also flew Anchorage-Toronto.

Egyptair and Royal Air Maroc both fly Montreal-JFK. Only one of them, however has 5th freedom, and I forgot which one.

El Al flies Los Angeles-Toronto, but without 5th freedom.

Aerolineas Argentinas used to fly Montreal-Toronto-Miami.

British Airways used to fly Toronto-JFK.

User currently offlineHoons90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3383 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

Korean Air flys ICN-ANC-YYZ and back as KE073 and 074. Also in 1997, they flew ICN-ORD-YYZ.

The biggest mistake made by most human beings: Listening to only half, understanding just a quarter and telling double.
User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Egyptair is picking up YUL-JFK after RAM goes nonstop to Casablanca with their new 767-300s

User currently offlineTwa902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3203 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Pakistan had 747s on JFK-YYZ. I don't know if they still have it.


life wasn't worth the balance, or the crumpled paper it was written on
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16525 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

I had heard that EL AL WILL fly local traffic YYZ-LAX when the new routing starts. There is no bilateral restriction against it.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1170 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Many countries have rights to operate between the US and Canada but very few countries use these rights because most carriers now have aircraft and enough traffic to operate point to point service. Someone had asked that question a few months ago and I listed all countries for them. You might want to do a search.

Currently operating: Morocco has fifth freedom rights between New York and Montreal. Egypt flies the route but does not have local traffic rights. I am not aware of any renegotiations to allow Egypt these rights.

Israel does not have fifth freedom rights between Toronto and Los Angeles although I understand this bilateral is under negotiation. Israel has extensive, but unused, fifth freedom rights from Montreal to the US.

Neither Cathay nor Korean has fifth freedom rights on the Anchorage - Toronto sector. Cathay does have local New York - Vancouver rights.

Pakistan no longer operates New York - Toronto. They did not have fifth freedom rights on this route.

User currently offlineAirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

Royal Air Maroc flies Casablanca-New York-Montreal
Pakistan Airlines flies Toronto-New York-Karachi
El Al flies Toronto-New-York-Tel Aviv

VASP Brazillian Airlines used to fly Sao Paulo-New York-Torono. Great JFK-YYZ flights, $125 round trip, too bad they're not around any more.

The El Al flight from JFK to YYZ is scheduled and marketable. THE PIA and RAM flights I am not too sure about. On the schedule boards at JFK, it does state that the flights originate in Toronto and Montreal respectively, however I'm not sure they are allowed to market the flights.

I work at Terminal 1 at JFK, which is where RAM operates, and their passengers on the inbound flights from Montreal are not allowed to stay on the aircraft (I believe before September 11th, the inbound passengers from Montreal, going to Casablanca, were allowed to remain on board the aircraft when it stopped at JFK). However, they must now deplane, clear U.S. immigration and customs, re-check their bags, and board the aircraft again.

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